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[really small guy]

Doesn’t hcg get your balls working again?

If it’s true, why do people bother with pcts if hcg works?

It's two different things... Hcg doesn't spark NATURAL testosterone production. It keeps your balls working and keeps them from shrinking but is doing this artificially to put it simply. It is actually suppressive to your natural testosterone production. PCT is not.

 

[really small guy]

Doesn’t hcg get your balls working again?

If it’s true, why do people bother with pcts if hcg works?

If you are interested...
Why You Should Not Use HCG Post Cycle:

Let's establish what we are trying to accomplish here. You just got done with your cycle and you've been suppressed for however many weeks. We want to bring our natural HPTA back to life, can we all agree on that? If you said no, please ask Mom if she dropped you on your head when you were a baby. Moving on...

HCG is suppressive! Since we know that hCG mimics LH, then we know that in the presence of exogenous LH, the pituitary gland will not produce LH. Hang on a minute! You see that word in blue above? It says "natural". So which one is natural? The one I just induced by using hCG, or the one coming from the pituitary? Doh! The pituitary of course! So why? Why on earth would you want to suppress your pituitary with hCG when you're trying to recover?! "Ain't nobody got time for dat!" Are we clear on this one, folks? If you said no, you know what to do...

So next time you meet Rich Piana. Tell him that he is a dingdong, and he's hurting a lot of people with his statements. Please, Rich. stop hurting people. (Jon Stewart voice)

SERMS! Clomid and Nolva are not suppressive. In fact, they work on your brain to help the pea sized gland pump out your precious LH. That is all you should be using for PCT. Otherwise, it would be like walking into a closed door and never being able to get inside. Would you constantly walk into a door without being able to get inside? Wait... that's doing the wrong thing over and over again. I'm pretty sure that's referred to as insane.

 

[really small guy]

It's two different things... Hcg doesn't spark NATURAL testosterone production. It keeps your balls working and keeps them from shrinking but is doing this artificially to put it simply. It is actually suppressive to your natural testosterone production. PCT is not.

Why you should use HCG ON cycle:

We know that steroids shut down production of LH at the pituitary. This means you no longer produce natural testosterone because there's nothing to stimulate your Leydig Cells in the testes. The reason your testicals normally look "full", is because they're loaded with testosterone. When your natural testosterone production is suppressed, your testes atrophy (shrink), because they're empty. Make sense?

Injecting HCG results in a "mimicked" LH. So although your pituitary gland is not secreting LH, your leydig cells, in the presence of HCG, are stimulated by the mimicked LH and begin to produce testosterone. So there's your solution for preventing testicular atrophy while on cycle. But there's more to HCG than just reversing atrophy. Let's have a quick look at some other reasons to use HCG.

Benefits of HCG during your cycle:

1. Prevention of testicular atrophy.

-- This is done by mimicking LH and restarting natural testosterone production in the testes.

2. Speed up recovery.

-- This is done by mimicking LH so that your Leydig cells remain stimulated. More on this in the next segment.

3. Balances hormonal fluctuation. (Mainly TRT patients and dose dependant)

-- By strategically timing hCG injections, you will prevent "dips" in serum levels.

4. HCG in involved in the process of production for DHEA, Cortisol and Pregnenolone.

-- A host of benefits here. These benefits will combat fatigue and stress, betters your mood, has a role in energy, reduced cardiovascular risk, immune stimulation, betters memory, and more.

Leydig Cell Desensitization:

Desensitization basically means unresponsive. Your Leydig cells are stimulated by the LH signal. If they no longer respond to LH, you will not produce testosterone.

There are 2 ways that could potentially desensitize Leydig Cells:

1. Prolonged LH deprivation: When you inject steroids, your LH production is halted at the pituitary, remember? So if you continue in a suppressed state for weeks upon weeks, your Leydig Cells could potentially become unresponsive, or desensitized. It is possible to reverse desensitization of the cells, but that has been proven to be quite a difficult task. So when you use hCG on cycle, the mimicked LH analog will maintain stimulation of Leydig cells so that you don't run the risk of rendering them useless. This level of maintenance will ensure a much healthier and speedy recovery and one of the most important reasons to use hCG on cycle.

2. Over stimulation of Leydig cells: There is no reason to use more than 500 IU of hCG at one time. And certainly not a good idea to run even that dose on a daily basis. You do not have an unlimited-ever-flowing-supply of Leydig cells. There is only so much stimulation hCG can do. What happens when you dose hCG really high, is that you're increasing intra-testicular estrogen. So you're thinking that you could use an aromatase inhibitor in that case, right? Nope. AI's are not effective treatment for intra-testicular e2. Furthermore; high doses is a surefire way to desensitize Leydig Cells. So we have a double whammy here. And this is just another reason to use hCG on cycle, and not "blast" hCG post cycle leading up to and/or during PCT.

^ If either of the events above occur, you would become hypogonadal (Low T). This is called dingdong-induced Primary Hypogonadism. You're the dingdong by the way.

 

[ambulldog]

Milk thistle and Liv 50 something

Garbage

 

[really small guy]

Garbage

Lol is it actually garbage? I may have been wasting money.. haven't really researched it

 

[The Terminator]

It's two different things... Hcg doesn't spark NATURAL testosterone production. It keeps your balls working and keeps them from shrinking but is doing this artificially to put it simply. It is actually suppressive to your natural testosterone production. PCT is not.

The testosterone is natural, the “spark” as you put it is exogenous. Unlike exogenous T the T that results from hCG is natty T. T T T T

 

[really small guy]

Garbage

What about that n2 guard stuff? Haven't tried personally

 

[really small guy]

The testosterone is natural, the “spark” as you put it is exogenous. Unlike exogenous T the T that results from hCG is natty T. T T T T

I agree it's natural t. but being it isn't sparked by the pituitary...but by the hcg. blah..blah. idk read that long post I put if u care to. It could be wrong...not everything on the internet is true . But I've read similar things elsewhere. I haven't pct'd in over a year but at a time I did and kept a few articles. Idk just trying to give some other data to consider.

 

[Worf]

Like, I could completely cover them?!?

No

What if you don’t get atrophied?!

they still wont work right , serms can kick start but hcg seems to be the winner here imo for protection

 

[The Terminator]

No

they still wont work right , serms can kick start but hcg seems to be the winner here imo for protection

The atrophy isn’t always noticeable, I don’t think many will atrophy to the point of having jellybeans.

 

[Roger rabbit]

If you are interested...
Why You Should Not Use HCG Post Cycle:

Let's establish what we are trying to accomplish here. You just got done with your cycle and you've been suppressed for however many weeks. We want to bring our natural HPTA back to life, can we all agree on that? If you said no, please ask Mom if she dropped you on your head when you were a baby. Moving on...

HCG is suppressive! Since we know that hCG mimics LH, then we know that in the presence of exogenous LH, the pituitary gland will not produce LH. Hang on a minute! You see that word in blue above? It says "natural". So which one is natural? The one I just induced by using hCG, or the one coming from the pituitary? Doh! The pituitary of course! So why? Why on earth would you want to suppress your pituitary with hCG when you're trying to recover?! "Ain't nobody got time for dat!" Are we clear on this one, folks? If you said no, you know what to do...

So next time you meet Rich Piana. Tell him that he is a dingdong, and he's hurting a lot of people with his statements. Please, Rich. stop hurting people. (Jon Stewart voice)

SERMS! Clomid and Nolva are not suppressive. In fact, they work on your brain to help the pea sized gland pump out your precious LH. That is all you should be using for PCT. Otherwise, it would be like walking into a closed door and never being able to get inside. Would you constantly walk into a door without being able to get inside? Wait... that's doing the wrong thing over and over again. I'm pretty sure that's referred to as insane.

Can you also site where you are quoting your posts from as well?

This is a copy and paste from somewhere.

 

[tengtren]

Can you also site where you are quoting your posts from as well?

This is a copy and paste from somewhere.

Straight off the dome brah

 

[Worf]

The atrophy isn’t always noticeable, I don’t think many will atrophy to the point of having jellybeans.

I never experienced that effect either. I could always tell from the little pains or they would feel soft

 

[really small guy]

Can you also site where you are quoting your posts from as well?

This is a copy and paste from somewhere.

Ye I'm not saying it's 100% accurate It is a copy and paste. I'm just posting info I've seen. Ppl can take it or leave it, And make their own decisions. Just trying to give what I believe to be good info because I usually won't make a decision for myself unless I have read the same thing or close to the same thing from more than one place. This info came from an HCG manufacturing pharmacuetical company called Landmark Chem aka
Landmark Nutraceuticals Co.,Limited.

 

[Heavy Iron]

This info came from an hcg manufacturing pharmacuetical company called Landmark Chem aka
Landmark Nutraceuticals Co.,Limited.

Lol... They're a shitty raws supplier.

 

[really small guy]

Lol... They're a shitty raws supplier.

Doesn't mean it's bad info though?

 

[ICD-HardThings]

I’m 3 weeks in on a Winstrol run and am seeing some results I want. I’m deep in a deficit and still gaining lean mass and gaining good definition and vascularity. I’m up about 6lbs I’m certain some is water retention. I didn’t plan to see any weight gain with this cut but the Winny is preserving the muscle nicely. Strength is definitely present for as deep of a deficit as I am running. I’m running Test at 700 a/wk and Winny at 100 daily. Currently running Pharm Adex at 1mg a/wk and HCG at 250iu a/wk. I’m running everything on top of my TRT protocol so that when I drop the Prop and Winny I should be good in time for my next labs.

 

[Morefyah]

Lol... They're a shitty raws supplier.

Lol if it’s good enough for the China man to copy and paste it must be legit?. This is some funny shit!!

 

[really small guy]

Just trying to help guys make good decisions. (Which I won't do anymore) lol. Not gonna go back and forth on it.

HCG Dosage

Medically Reviewed by William Llewellyn, [Research Scientist, Author]
on Jul 25, 2018 – Written By Dan Chaiet

Neither of which are Chinese.

 

[Sven_Northman]

If you are interested...
Why You Should Not Use HCG Post Cycle:

Let's establish what we are trying to accomplish here. You just got done with your cycle and you've been suppressed for however many weeks. We want to bring our natural HPTA back to life, can we all agree on that? If you said no, please ask Mom if she dropped you on your head when you were a baby. Moving on...

HCG is suppressive! Since we know that hCG mimics LH, then we know that in the presence of exogenous LH, the pituitary gland will not produce LH. Hang on a minute! You see that word in blue above? It says "natural". So which one is natural? The one I just induced by using hCG, or the one coming from the pituitary? Doh! The pituitary of course! So why? Why on earth would you want to suppress your pituitary with hCG when you're trying to recover?! "Ain't nobody got time for dat!" Are we clear on this one, folks? If you said no, you know what to do...

So next time you meet Rich Piana. Tell him that he is a dingdong, and he's hurting a lot of people with his statements. Please, Rich. stop hurting people. (Jon Stewart voice)

SERMS! Clomid and Nolva are not suppressive. In fact, they work on your brain to help the pea sized gland pump out your precious LH. That is all you should be using for PCT. Otherwise, it would be like walking into a closed door and never being able to get inside. Would you constantly walk into a door without being able to get inside? Wait... that's doing the wrong thing over and over again. I'm pretty sure that's referred to as insane.

There seems to be difference of opinion on hcg post cycle. Some say yes like Scally and others.no.
After my own research I decided to use 1000 iu of hcg every other day for 10 days post cycle. I also used it on cycle at 500 iu per week taking a break every 5th to 6th week. My cycle of test/mast lasted 15 weeks.

I then statrted my clomid/nolva 14 days post cycle. I recovered perfectly. I've read about guys in their 20s that couldn't recover after cruising for a couple years. They ran high levels of hcg then clomid/ nolva and recovered!
Maybe it doesn't work for everyone?