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Also it seems you are implying that I'm trying to get one over on you.
I can assure every member on here that is not the case. If it was I would be trying to get more gear from naps and I told them I wasn't looking for more gear I was just concerned about the safety of our members.
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I can assure every member on here that is not the case. If it was I would be trying to get more gear from naps and I told them I wasn't looking for more gear I was just concerned about the safety of our members.
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You know I had good things to say about you guys when you showed up and had the give away. I hate that members ended up in the hospital.
There was a similar situation on another board I frequent where a very popular UGL's last batch of T400 had a very experienced and competitive board member and 3 of the guys he trains and competes with end up in the ER with cellulitis. Looked horrible and was very painful. All four guys had to back out of the contest.
From what I've read here chase and smiles came down with an infection as did a friend or 2 of each? Am I close or something similar? The common factor is that they all used gear that came from the give away or from a purchase of the same brand and type of gear?
If I'm off I'm certain I will be and welcome correction, please.
Naps is saying that "Something" is up with the high concentrated T400 product that may in fact cause wicked pain but it wouldn't cause infection?
Then there are claims of "floaters" in vials of the gear that was supplied? Some members didn't recognize the floaters until a good amount of the vial was already injected? I hope guys didn't see the floaters and decide to use anyway? I know Chase and any of our experienced members wouldn't.
Naps is saying anything floating is most likely hormone that has "crashed" or come out of solution. That is something that happens with test Cyp and with higher dosed product. Warming the solution usually fixes that. I am certain that Chase knows this and knows the difference between crashed and floaters as he's seen both in his time using.
I'm going to ask around with guys I know if they have heard anything about this anywhere else and see if I can get a read on things.
I'm not clear on what the stance is that naps is taking as far as guys ending up in the hospital is? Are you(is he) saying that you don't believe the members that say they have gone to the er and received treatment for infection from injection? Or are you(is he) saying that if the members went in with an infection it didn't have anything to do with the gear it most likely was a result of unsanitary inj practices?
I understand what you(naps) are saying when u say this is the first and only thing you've heard about any infections out of thousands of orders and that you believe you would have heard of more. You may think that makes sense? Maybe it does?
To me, it may be a good thing that it is not wide spread and that its a small group. Not a good thing to our members and their friends who fell ill, though. And being that there are "thousands" of orders and thousands upon thousands of vials produced and with which you have absolutely no hands on dealings with the production of. Meaning you can't speak with certainty on whether or not there was an issue for a short time in the line in which the production took place where some sort of contamination took place. That would be a ridiculous assertion for you to make.
To me when my people here are having an issue and are with infection and the common denominator is the gear used it is logical and enough for me to place the onus on the gear they used. No?
It's a shit situation, that's for sure. Naps gave away a lot of gear. He continues to be willing to do so. That doesn't make it any less likely that the gear is the culprit or that the members and others affected by the gear should be any less upset. In fact, they should perhaps be MORE upset as they probably wouldn't be in the pain and dealing with infection had there not been a give away by naps. They never would have used the gear!
What can or should be expected and how should this all be handled? I don't know if I or anyone has the completely right or perfect answer to that question? Replace free gear with more free gear? Doesn't make much sense to me. Due diligence by naps to do their best to communicate with the folks producing to ensure procedure is followed for certain.
I quoted a line from naps at the top of my post. Please, give us the respect and don't insult us by putting comparing MESO to IM or the other board you mentioned. All the members here may not be informed enough to know how sponsors are protected and how on those boards and others not mentioned that negative posts are deleted by staff and also by sponsors who have mod control over their own threads on some boards.
A new guy logging on for the first time would think they have found the holy grail when reading the threads on Z and UGF and others. I can see them emptying their wallets and bank accounts now. Those boards suck. They do nothing to help and protect the people. They protect the sources that put food on their tables.
I know and understand that Naps has it's niche. I believe your outfit to have more integrity and to be above the sources I mentioned. You do so on your own. You don't need to delete posts to the extent others do. Yes, I said extent as I believe and known it to happen in your threads.
On a board like Meso, AB, TID and UGBB and WCBB you'd fare better to not mention IM, OLM PM and ology. I just drew the line in the sand that has been there and continues to become more and more clear as information and truth grows and spreads. I hope for as positive an outcome as possible here.
I do know something about shipping overseas and doing so in this situation is the very last thing I would do. Wise choice not to and shame on you Naps for encouraging this. Absolutely a reckless thing to advise a member at any board where the customer is living in a country where it is a crime to possess as well as ship steroids.
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Thank you for that Ben
I also found it very distasteful that naps was trying to discredit me by posting misinformation about our conversation via pm.
And claiming that I was seeing things and not getting his timeline straight saying I refused to send him pics but was fine sending them to chase eeven though they were sent to chase and posted in this thread before naps ever responded to this thread or pmed me. Also I told him in pm that the photos chase posted were mine so he knew when they were taken. A lot of these claims by naps were posted in the thread titled warning geneza pharmaceuticals made by Pericles.
Either way I'm done arguing over this the.
I sincerely hope you take my claim serious and look into for the sake of your customers. I also urge anyone who received geneza to do a thorough inspection of their vial. Or better yet trash them
I will not argue on this. You are most probably right.
I'm just trying to fix the situation and prove that it's been a temporary issue with a few products only. It may happen to any UG lab. I'm paying the bill of ChaseQ's friend as well.
I'm just trying to fix the situation and prove that it's been a temporary issue with a few products only. It may happen to any UG lab. I'm paying the bill of ChaseQ's friend as well.
This is what I call disrespectful.
The fact that I was asking for a good picture or to send the vial overseas for examination has nothing disrespectful in it.
If there is anyone wishing to remail an unlabeled vial to Europe please PM me.
Thank you I never wanted to argue just end wanted members to know there was an issue with the prop at least with mine. And I just wanted naps to be aware so they could look into it and fix it so no more damage was done.
Also glad to hear you will be paying chases buddy's medical bills
The disrespectful part wasn't asking for a pic but making it look like a was lying saying i refused to send you one but in the pm I told you I would try and borrow a camera and you said no worries. So I assumed you would just look into it.
Then you posted and I'm paraphrasing here maybe I was seeing things. Really
then you posted saying how come I refused to send you a pick then turn around and send one to another member when in reality I sent it to chase days before you responded and I told you that that pic in the thread was the one I emailed him. Also again I did not refuse to send you a pic.Note this is the last god damn response you will get from me. I will now let the members look at the post and decide for themselves
ok let it be misunderstanding. Bottom line there is a floater and there are no pics no vial is being sent for inspection. That 7kb pic is very small. Judging from it I may assume it could be crystallization because we never had anything in the prop. Once again if there is anyone willing to remail the vial I'll be very thankful.
By the way, please guys note, the oil we use is extremely thin, thinner then EO. Almost like water. If you shake the vial, it may produce almost microscopic bubbles. Not like in any other organic oil. Many customers confuse these bubbles with floaters.
By the way, please guys note, the oil we use is extremely thin, thinner then EO. Almost like water. If you shake the vial, it may produce almost microscopic bubbles. Not like in any other organic oil. Many customers confuse these bubbles with floaters.
I said I wouldn't respond but this is insulting
I know the difference between bubbles and a floater.
Also I've never seen copper/orange colored crystals from crashed prop.
Give me a few days to work on pics.
Ok this is really the last response. [
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I was not meaning your case.
@naps
After talking with a member whom I highly respect I realize now that you weren't trying to attack my character and that you wanted more information cause you believe in your products. I also believe that you really do care about your customers health or else you wouldn't be paying the bill for the guy who got sick.
However I do not agree with some of your post as I feel they were misleading. I'm going to try and borrow a camera that can take high res photos and I will send them to you so you can look into this
After talking with a member whom I highly respect I realize now that you weren't trying to attack my character and that you wanted more information cause you believe in your products. I also believe that you really do care about your customers health or else you wouldn't be paying the bill for the guy who got sick.
However I do not agree with some of your post as I feel they were misleading. I'm going to try and borrow a camera that can take high res photos and I will send them to you so you can look into this
Way to man up there Stomps. :tiphat
I'm reading through these threads and it appears that Naps is doing the best he can to resolve this. I'm not sucking on Naps dick and I did not receive any free gear, but it looks like they are trying their best to find the problem and come to an amicable solution. With the volume they process there would be a lot of sick/dead people if 25% of their gear was infected. You probably have a better chance of getting sick from some ramen noodles or your local Mesican restaurant.
No flamin anyone, just sayin.
eace:Way to man up there Stomps. :tiphat
I'm reading through these threads and it appears that Naps is doing the best he can to resolve this. I'm not sucking on Naps dick and I did not receive any free gear, but it looks like they are trying their best to find the problem and come to an amicable solution. With the volume they process there would be a lot of sick/dead people if 25% of their gear was infected. You probably have a better chance of getting sick from some ramen noodles or your local Mesican restaurant.
No flamin anyone, just sayin.
I totally agree with you I think he really is trying to get to the bottom the whole situation.
Also I'm man enough to admit when I'm out of line. Honestly I was having a shit day I know that's no excuse but it happens to the best of us. So being pissed already I saw his post and took them as a personal attack after I cooled off and spoke with another member I looked back at his post and realized he was just trying to figure things out. And I realize going at it with each isn't helping anyone.
So naps sorry for being a dousche
searay
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I totally agree with you I think he really is trying to get to the bottom the whole situation.
Also I'm man enough to admit when I'm out of line. Honestly I was having a shit day I know that's no excuse but it happens to the best of us. So being pissed already I saw his post and took them as a personal attack after I cooled off and spoke with another member I looked back at his post and realized he was just trying to figure things out. And I realize going at it with each isn't helping anyone.
So naps sorry for being a dousche
Nicely put! We all do it and it doesnt make it right but this is a crazy sport and we are all a little nuts!
ChaseQ
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Naps,
Heres the picture I have of the T400 bottle. Not high res but I can take some more if you would like.
I think its exactly what you stated it to be. A small piece of filter.
The other Geneza gear checked out fine and there was nothing to visually indicate there was a problem.
Again, thank you for handling this situation the way you have. You truly went above and beyond what I would expect and I have much respect for that.
Heres the picture I have of the T400 bottle. Not high res but I can take some more if you would like.
I think its exactly what you stated it to be. A small piece of filter.
The other Geneza gear checked out fine and there was nothing to visually indicate there was a problem.
Again, thank you for handling this situation the way you have. You truly went above and beyond what I would expect and I have much respect for that.
Would pieces of the filter cause staph infection? I thought staph is from "dirty" contaminants. But I guess one purpose of using the filter is to rid the brew of bacteria and that would mean the filter contains a whole lot of it?
Not necessarily a lot. But If there were bacteria in the prefiltered solution then they would be concentrated in the filter membrane.
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