Toxicity of inhaled benzyl alcohol?

[TownTX]

Made a large brew the other day at 6% benzyl alcohol. I'm also asthmatic although its well controlled usually.

Finished cooking the oil, bb and raw hormone on the stove in the boiling flask. Set it aside to cool for a while. Then i thought it had cooled enough and added a 60ml syringe of benzyl alcohol into the hot oil.

Instantly a cloud of oozing white mist started pouring up from the flask. Obviously the damn oil hadn't cooled enough!

I inhaled a large portion of the benzyl alcohol vapor... Coughed my guts up and felt fine. Continued with the bottling process.

During filling and sealing the vials i started noticing my breathing getting restricted. A few minutes later i could barely breathe. Used 8 inhalations of ventolin and 2 inhalations of 200/6 fostair.

Felt not so bad after all this, had to use more ventolin throughout the day but managed.

The day after i felt fine until about 12pm. Had some severe breathing issues and had to use more reliever medication. Now its 10am the following day and shit doesn't feel good. Its about 72 hours after the exposure now. Coughing a lot, feel short of breathe and like an intense tight, heavy feeling in my lungs.

Don't really want to visit a doctor incase the benzyl alcohol triggers any red flags with them.

Advice please??

 

[Nickyyysixxx]

So many questions... Why on earth would you ever use 6% ba? Why would you get it even close to that hot? You used a boiling flask? Were you brewing steroids or cooking crank? Are you trolling? I doubt inhaling vaporized ba is extremely harmful, most likely just irritated your lungs. I would suggest doing a lot more research on brewing before you continue.

 

[TownTX]

So many questions... Why on earth would you ever use 6% ba? Why would you get it even close to that hot? You used a boiling flask? Were you brewing steroids or cooking crank? Are you trolling? I doubt inhaling vaporized ba is extremely harmful, most likely just irritated your lungs. I would suggest doing a lot more research on brewing before you continue.

For the last 5 years i have been filtering with a 0.45um filter and brewing at 6% BA. 0 infections in that time. Its quicker than 0.22 filtration and it works for me. The injections are painless and its generally noted that BA is well tolerated in IM injections below 10%.

I use a 3000ml round bottom boiling flask, with a lab hotplate and magnetic stir bar. It sure beats the brews some of you guys make in damn metal pans!

The temperature was set precisely on the hot plate. Its the advantage of using lab grade hardware over a stove. All i can think of is the thermostat has broken in my hotplate because it was well hotter than the temperature i set it at.

Why is it that on meso you can not get genuine advice without being called a troll?

 

[Nickyyysixxx]

For the last 5 years i have been filtering with a 0.45um filter and brewing at 6% BA. 0 infections in that time. Its quicker than 0.22 filtration and it works for me. The injections are painless and its generally noted that BA is well tolerated in IM injections below 10%.

I use a 3000ml round bottom boiling flask, with a lab hotplate and magnetic stir bar. It sure beats the brews some of you guys make in damn metal pans!

The temperature was set precisely on the hot plate. Its the advantage of using lab grade hardware over a stove. All i can think of is the thermostat has broken in my hotplate because it was well hotter than the temperature i set it at.

Why is it that on meso you can not get genuine advice without being called a troll?

My apologies, there wasn't much information provided, which led me to jump to some conclusions.

 

[Nickyyysixxx]

Benzyl alcohol has low acute toxicity with an LD50 of 1.2 g/kg in rats.[15] It oxidizes rapidly in healthy individuals to benzoic acid, conjugated with glycine in the liver, and excreted as hippuric acid. Very high concentrations can result in toxic effects including respiratory failure, vasodilation, hypotension, convulsions, and paralysis.

Benzyl alcohol is toxic to neonates, and is associated with the gasping syndrome.[16][17]

Benzyl alcohol is severely toxic and highly irritating to the eye.[15] Pure benzyl alcohol produces cornealnecrosis.[18]

Benzyl alcohol is not considered to be a carcinogen and no data are available regarding teratogenic or reproductive effects.[15]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzyl_alcohol#Safety

That's all I could find.

 

[Nickyyysixxx]

EMERGENCY OVERVIEW
RISK
May form explosive peroxides.
Irritating to eyes.
Harmful by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed.
Vapours may cause drowsiness and dizziness.
POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS
ACUTE HEALTH EFFECTS
SWALLOWED
! Accidental ingestion of the material may be harmful; animal experiments indicate that ingestion of less than 150 gram may be fatal or
may produce serious damage to the health of the individual.
! Ingestion of large doses of benzyl alcohol may cause abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea.
It may affect behavior/central nervous system and cause headache, somnolence, excitement, dizziness, ataxia, coma, convulsions, and
other symptoms of central nervous system depression.
! Central nervous system (CNS) depression may include general discomfort, symptoms of giddiness, headache, dizziness, nausea,
anaesthetic effects, slowed reaction time, slurred speech and may progress to unconsciousness.
Serious poisonings may result in respiratory depression and may be fatal.
EYE
! There is evidence that material may produce eye irritation in some persons and produce eye damage 24 hours or more after
instillation.
Severe inflammation may be expected with pain.
SKIN
! Skin contact with the material may be harmful; systemic effects may resultfollowing absorption.
! There is some evidence to suggest that the material may cause moderate inflammation of the skin either following direct contact or
after a delay of some time.
Repeated exposure can cause contact dermatitis which is characterized by redness, swelling and blistering.
! Open cuts, abraded or irritated skin should not be exposed to this material.
! Entry into the blood-stream, through, for example, cuts, abrasions or lesions, may produce systemic injury with harmful effects.
Examine the skin prior to the use of the material and ensure that any external damage is suitably protected.
INHALED
! Inhalation of vapours may cause drowsiness and dizziness.
This may be accompanied by narcosis, reduced alertness, loss of reflexes, lack of coordination and vertigo.
! There is some evidence to suggest that the material can cause respiratory irritation in some persons.
The body's response to such irritation can cause further lung damage.
! Inhalation of benzyl alcohol may affect respiration (paralysis of the respiratory center, respiratory depression, gasping respirations),
cardiovascular system (hypotension.
! Inhalation of aerosols (mists, fumes), generated by the material during the course of normal handling, may be harmful.
! Acute effects from inhalation of high vapor concentrations may be chest and nasal irritation with coughing, sneezing, headache and
even nausea.
CHRONIC HEALTH EFFECTS
! Limited evidence suggests that repeated or long-term occupational exposure may produce cumulative health effects involving organs
or biochemical systems.
There is limited evidence that, skin contact with this product is more likely to cause a sensitization reaction in some persons compared to
the general population.
Prolonged or repeated exposure to benzyl alcohol may cause allergic contact dermatitis.
Prolonged or repeated ingestion may affect behavior/central nervous system with symptoms similar to acute ingestion. It may also affect
the liver, kidneys, cardiovascular system, and metabolism (weight loss).
Animal studies have shown this compound to cause lung, liver, kidney and CNS disorders. Studies in animals have shown evidence of
teratogenicity in the chick embryo. The significance of the information for humans is unknown.
Benzyl alcohol showed no evidence of carcinogenic activity in long-term toxicology and carcinogenesis study.

 

[Nickyyysixxx]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw0jnWQQJSh6wFgqCc0BG3uC&cshid=1555241706060

 

[Nickyyysixxx]

If the respiratory issues persist I recommend seeing a doctor. I can assure you they will not contact LE just tell them you accidently inhaled vaporized ba. If they ask for a further explanation do not provide one. It is their job as medical professionals to treat your symptoms not figure out the mystery of how you ended up in there care. Good luck bud, let me know how it turns out.

 

[TownTX]

If the respiratory issues persist I recommend seeing a doctor. I can assure you they will not contact LE just tell them you accidently inhaled vaporized ba. If they ask for a further explanation do not provide one. It is their job as medical professionals to treat your symptoms not figure out the mystery of how you ended up in there care. Good luck bud, let me know how it turns out.

Thank you mate that has all been a huge help and very educational read, albeit scary to read lol.

I always thought of benzyl alcohol being mostly harmless. From what I gather it should already have been converted to benzoic acid and removed by now which is one good thing.

Definitely felt dizzy and a little strange after exposure. Definitely no unconsciousness though.

Fingers crossed no long term damage. Hopefully this is just a flare up of asthma symptoms due to the irritation.

Just really concerned about seeing a doctor and LE. Even if people go to the ER and they’ve been beaten up they call the police over here. Thought I could possibly tell them I was making soap?

Felt really strange And zoned out since the BA inhalation. Thinking BA could possibly bind to GABA receptors? Because I always feel weird after drinking alcohol or anything now as I had a long term benzo addiction a few years back.All clean of them now but any drug that affects GABA receptors tends to trigger mild symptoms.

 

[mp46]

OK soooo WTF? why were you heating up oil that much to begin with? You're not cooking, you're brewing, the solvents (BB) are what gets the hormone into solution. You add a little heat to help with that, but again you're not cooking. 100-110 degrees is more than enough.

Also, why are you using 6% BA? pharmacies don't even use more than 2%. Regardless of what your research says about 10% being safe for injection there's absolutely no need for it.


As for what to do, go see a doctor if you're worried. Just tell them some BA spilled onto a hotplate in the shop and you inhaled it. No doctor gives a shit what you were doing. Family abuse, assault, or other violence is completely different than spilling something in your shop. Whens the last time you saw a junkie in the hospital get arrested? Hell there are people here who have had infections and disclose everything to the hospital.

 

[balco]

If the respiratory issues persist I recommend seeing a doctor. I can assure you they will not contact LE just tell them you accidently inhaled vaporized ba. If they ask for a further explanation do not provide one. It is their job as medical professionals to treat your symptoms not figure out the mystery of how you ended up in there care. Good luck bud, let me know how it turns out.

If op wants to go to hospital say it happened in a community college chemistry class and he was fucking with chemicals while the teacher wasn't around.

I personally wouldn't go to doctor but maybe I'm reckless.

 

[mp46]

There's no need to make elaborate stories just tell them the truth, you put BA in a hot oil solution or it fell on an open hot plate is an easier explanation. Quit making it difficult.

Oh, and fuck @balco.

 

[master.on]

6% BA?
0.45 um filters?

Either
A. Stop brewing and learn more before touching raws
B. Continue doing what you're doing and let Darwinism do its work.

Don't ever sell or give away any of your gear.

 

[TRTvegan]

I just don't understand the point of 6% ba ? First off that's a waste , second that's a shit ton.

 

[Holidaypay]

O infections so far lmfao an heroin addicts don't od an die every shot but when it happens ita gna be a little late to learn ur lesson it may seem like a harsh analogy but u get what I'm saying ... mct oil bottle top filters or a caulk gun with syringe filters are all easy ways to use a .22 filter or to make it easier than normal a little extra time during brewing or a few extra brewing materials are a lot safer than using alternative ways that could lead to a infection just some freindly advise

 

[Nickyyysixxx]

O infections so far lmfao an heroin addicts don't od an die every shot but when it happens ita gna be a little late to learn ur lesson it may seem like a harsh analogy but u get what I'm saying ... mct oil bottle top filters or a caulk gun with syringe filters are all easy ways to use a .22 filter or to make it easier than normal a little extra time during brewing or a few extra brewing materials are a lot safer than using alternative ways that could lead to a infection just some freindly advise

I wouldn't worry about infection with that high if BA content in the brew. I would worry about two things, benzyl alcohol can actually eat muscle tissue at a high enough concentration (thus why it burns). When it is diluted properly it is relatively harmless. Second 0.45 filters are made for clarifying an aqueous solution, not purification. While 0.22 filters will not actually fully sterilize a brew, they get pretty fucking close. The larger issue at hand is purifying dangerous particulates, such as impurites like heavy metals or anything else left over during the chemical manufacturing. Sterile abscesses can be just as dangerous as one causes by bacteria. Necrosis can still occur, and exposure to toxic byproducts can cause a host of dangerous medical conditions. These are all very rare, but still possible. Harm reduction is all about minimizing every risk, no matter how rare.

 

[Nickyyysixxx]

I just realized OP is the same guy that started the thread about not filtering your gear. I regret ever responding to this thread. That's enough internet for today guys.