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I have had a couple suppliers of GH contact me lately(I will mention the other one if he desires) and ask me if it was a good idea to come to MESO and participate.

One being TP. He emailed me and questioned if it was a good idea or not. Knowing this board is not a source board I explained to him that there are plenty of guys on here that I get PM's from on a weekly basis asking about generic GH. I told him to go ahead and come over. But, I would see what MESO's thoughts were about having him here to contribute and do what he does. I think he will stay away if he's not wanted OR come over if he is wanted. I guess up to you guys and gals.

I personally think it's great. He is one supplier out there that has been around a long time and his GH seems to always score well.

mands
 
I have had a couple suppliers of GH contact me lately(I will mention the other one if he desires) and ask me if it was a good idea to come to MESO and participate.

One being TP. He emailed me and questioned if it was a good idea or not. Knowing this board is not a source board I explained to him that there are plenty of guys on here that I get PM's from on a weekly basis asking about generic GH. I told him to go ahead and come over. But, I would see what MESO's thoughts were about having him here to contribute and do what he does. I think he will stay away if he's not wanted OR come over if he is wanted. I guess up to you guys and gals.

I personally think it's great. He is one supplier out there that has been around a long time and his GH seems to always score well.

mands
I'll agree with you that he is one of the more reliable suppliers out there and it appears that he runs his business well.

Maybe you don't know the answer to this question @mands but do you know why he would want to branch out to meso? Is business bad or just looking to expand? I guess I was under the impression that he does quite well for himself.
 
I'll agree with you that he is one of the more reliable suppliers out there and it appears that he runs his business well.

Maybe you don't know the answer to this question @mands but do you know why he would want to branch out to meso? Is business bad or just looking to expand? I guess I was under the impression that he does quite well for himself.
I believe personally that he wants to expand. Even though there are others now supplying GH in the same category as him he's probably securing his place in the market.

I did email and ask your very question, but haven't heard back yet.

mands
 
@Marcus he told me that he is adding another GH besides the Greys. Hoping for people to try out and pricing will be a little less than they Greys domestically.

A new black top GH is what it will be.

mands
 
Mands, you know I have a ton of respect for you for many reasons and I consider you a friend. But I have to ask: Why are you breaking the ice for him? IMO, you're putting your name on this "generic" GH dealer with that last sentence in your initial post. To be candid, it doesn't sit well with me.
 
I told myself I might get a few haters and questions ,then I thought I'm asking MESO their thoughts and I'm sharing mine... Certainly members will see exactly that and nothing more.

Not breaking ICE just asking the majority if they would like to have access. It's one of those things that you will see me as a some shady person for mentioning it or a great guy for asking. Not many members here have access to TP.

The fact is I have had a million PM's about generic GH and I give them my opinion. It just so happens TP contacted me about coming to MESO and I told him I would see if MESO wanted him here. He didn't ask me to rep, shill, advertise for him. I'm not getting anything from it. I did on my own free will.

I think it goes without saying that any source can go bad at anytime blah blah blah. But, there has too many members here being ripped off and at present time I don't believe TP is going to do that.

With that said it's up to you guys if you want him here not me personally or anyone else.

I am not putting my name on a "generic" dealer I'm simply asking if MESO would like to have access to a supplier that's been around for a long time.

And to be candid, I don't really give a shit who it sits well with. I have my top three generic GH suppliers and he happens to be one of them.

What doesn't sit well with me is you calling me out. It's always the newer guys trying to make a name for themselves. It was Brutus that called me out a couple years ago and you now. Brutus knows me personally and knows my intentions. Actually JB and Brutus know about everything I do and if I was repping or affiliated with someone they would be the first to know. Actually Millard would be the first to know and JB/Brutus would know second. Sorry guys.

You can have your opinion about the situation and I will keep mine. I'm not introducing a new supplier. AGAIN i'm asking if members would like access. TP does not need an introduction. He's been around the game for a long time. He respects the board, the members, Millard and myself. That's why he asked me my thoughts.

mands
 
I told myself I might get a few haters and questions ,then I thought I'm asking MESO their thoughts and I'm sharing mine... Certainly members will see exactly that and nothing more.

Not breaking ICE just asking the majority if they would like to have access. It's one of those things that you will see me as a some shady person for mentioning it or a great guy for asking. Not many members here have access to TP.

The fact is I have had a million PM's about generic GH and I give them my opinion. It just so happens TP contacted me about coming to MESO and I told him I would see if MESO wanted him here. He didn't ask me to rep, shill, advertise for him. I'm not getting anything from it. I did on my own free will.

I think it goes without saying that any source can go bad at anytime blah blah blah. But, there has too many members here being ripped off and at present time I don't believe TP is going to do that.

With that said it's up to you guys if you want him here not me personally or anyone else.

I am not putting my name on a "generic" dealer I'm simply asking if MESO would like to have access to a supplier that's been around for a long time.

And to be candid, I don't really give a shit who it sits well with. I have my top three generic GH suppliers and he happens to be one of them.

What doesn't sit well with me is you calling me out. It's always the newer guys trying to make a name for themselves. It was Brutus that called me out a couple years ago and you now. Brutus knows me personally and knows my intentions. Actually JB and Brutus know about everything I do and if I was repping or affiliated with someone they would be the first to know. Actually Millard would be the first to know and JB/Brutus would know second. Sorry guys.

You can have your opinion about the situation and I will keep mine. I'm not introducing a new supplier. AGAIN i'm asking if members would like access. TP does not need an introduction. He's been around the game for a long time. He respects the board, the members, Millard and myself. That's why he asked me my thoughts.

mands

Wow. Didn't expect such a defensive response from you. You're usually so level headed even in heated debates.

I don't consider what I said calling you out. You asked in the open forum what people thought. I gave you my thoughts and you lash out at me? There was no need for that.

And do you really think this an attempt at me trying to make a name for myself?

Am I a "hater" for getting involved in this discussion by asking you a question and revealing my thoughts on this subject?

I'm a little taken aback as I didn't expect this type of response from you.

Not that I would like to continue a discussion with you in, your current state of mind, but as far as respect for the board and Millard, why would TP source here if he knows its not a source board? Doesn't sound like respect to me. Sounds like business.
 
Well, I'm new but from what I've read so far here and elsewhere it sounds like he could certainly contribute on a subject most are still uneducated on.
 
Wow. Didn't expect such a defensive response from you. You're usually so level headed even in heated debates.

I don't consider what I said calling you out. You asked in the open forum what people thought. I gave you my thoughts and you lash out at me? There was no need for that.

And do you really think this an attempt at me trying to make a name for myself?

Am I a "hater" for getting involved in this discussion by asking you a question and revealing my thoughts on this subject?

I'm a little taken aback as I didn't expect this type of response from you.

Not that I would like to continue a discussion with you in, your current state of mind, but as far as respect for the board and Millard, why would TP source here if he knows its not a source board? Doesn't sound like respect to me. Sounds like business.
I'm totally calm and in the right state of mind. This is why text and not talking face to face can come off wrong.

I'm just telling you I think you could of came to me in a different way. Same thing I told Brutus years back.

I really don't think I have to explain myself at this point. I've put my time in and feel like with some of the younger members not necessary in age that they don't respect the work I've put into this community.

Your whole not sitting well statement tells me you were trying to make a point that didn't needed to made.

Just my opinion though. I'm not mad at you or want to start some silly debate just expected of all people you should know me better.

@insertnamehere what's your opinion then? I guess I missed it.

mands
 
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I think it is a great idea for this person with the generics to come to meso. Not everyone can muster up the gravy for top shelf and I have read a lot of your threads and think that you are a respected member and that your idea is great.
 
I'm totally calm and in the right state of mind. This is why text and not talking face to face can come off wrong.

I'm just telling you I think you could of came to me in a different way. Same thing I told Brutus years back.

I really don't think I have to explain myself at this point. I've put my time in and feel like with some of the younger members not necessary in age that they don't respect the work I've put into this community.

Your whole not sitting well statement tells me you were trying to make a point that didn't needed to made.

Just my opinion though. I'm not mad at you or want to start some silly debate just expected of all people you should know me better.

@insertnamehere what's your opinion then? I guess I missed it.

mands

I apologize if I misinterpreted the intonation of your post.

I am trying to make a point. My point is that it disheartens me that you seem to have lost your objectivity on this matter.

The questions that went through my head when I read your initial post were:

Why not just give him your opinion and let him decide whether to come here or not? Why get involved?

Why do the initial leg work for him?

Why would he associate himself with a source like this?

I read and understand the reasons you stated as to why, but I think the Mands I know would have continued making a private recommendation or a reply post containing his experience and opinion to those inquiring, not a public service announcement, albeit out of free will, for a source.

You name carries a lot of weight, Mands. TP, HK, or PD or whomever know this and they will surely use it to their advantage here at Meso.

I guess what it boils down to is I don't want them to use you and I don't want the members here to get hurt in the process.
 
I'd like to see him here. Would enjoy the info he may share with me or the community in concern to generic GH.
 
I apologize if I misinterpreted the intonation of your post.

I am trying to make a point. My point is that it disheartens me that you seem to have lost your objectivity on this matter.

The questions that went through my head when I read your initial post were:

Why not just give him your opinion and let him decide whether to come here or not? Why get involved?

Why do the initial leg work for him?

Why would he associate himself with a source like this?

I read and understand the reasons you stated as to why, but I think the Mands I know would have continued making a private recommendation or a reply post containing his experience and opinion to those inquiring, not a public service announcement, albeit out of free will, for a source.

You name carries a lot of weight, Mands. TP, HK, or PD or whomever know this and they will surely use it to their advantage here at Meso.

I guess what it boils down to is I don't want them to use you and I don't want the members here to get hurt in the process.
I appreciate your concerns. Should I continue to let members be taken by scammers and given shitty GH or give them an opinion on who I think is decent right now and who has been for years?

How am I helping the members when I have information and only share it when they contact me trough PM? The behind the scenes shady shit that goes on here is ridiculous but it's part of every board. Last time I looked this was a board that was composed of members that help one another out not hide in PM's.

This will be the last post in this thread trying to explain myself. I shouldn't have to at this point.

mands
 
Mands you're a stand up guy who has always looked out for your fellow members interests. I appreciate you and what you've done here. I've reached out to you for advice in the past and you've always been willing to help. That's what we should all be doing. Keep doing what you're doing, f the rest of the haters.
 
I don't care if he comes. however anyone that's really interested in doing business should be able to already. It only took a few minutes to figure out where he's located and how to get in touch. Just seems like maybe the benefits might outweigh the positives. But he's been in business for a while and I'm sure he's done the cost/benefit analysis.
 
I appreciate your concerns. Should I continue to let members be taken by scammers and given shitty GH or give them an opinion on who I think is decent right now and who has been for years?

How am I helping the members when I have information and only share it when they contact me trough PM? The behind the scenes shady shit that goes on here is ridiculous but it's part of every board. Last time I looked this was a board that was composed of members that help one another out not hide in PM's.

This will be the last post in this thread trying to explain myself. I shouldn't have to at this point.

mands


I hope you don’t mind me carrying on a little yet. You asked some questions so I thought I should address them. Additionally, I think maybe I haven’t been clear on the issue I have, so a quick reply and that should do it from me.

I can appreciate and commend you wanting to help out but you have little to no control on who gets scammed. No matter what you do, people will continue to get scammed. Will having TP and whoever else here prevent people from getting scammed? No, people will continue to get scammed. Maybe not from TP or your other top 2 but there’s no certainly no guarantee either.

Giving your opinion is great and coming from you, there is no better but to me this thread is more than giving your opinion. Whether you see it or not right now, it’s an endorsement because your name carries such respect. I don’t think this is your intention, nor do I think you’re a shill, rep, or getting anything for it but you can’t deny that your name will bring in more sales. When a pillar of the community recommends something, the community responds.

I know you’ve helped a ton a people sharing your opinion through PM and in the open forum, including me on many occasions. I never said you should only tell people through PM, nor do I support the idea of secret PM sourcing. In fact I said the Mands I know would share his opinion in a reply post, meaning a reply to someone asking for about GH. There’s must be hundreds of opportunities to share your opinion about generic GH suppliers on the open board. TP, HK, and PD aren’t private and certainly not hard to find or get in touch with. Having them here will mainly only serve to increase their sales. Education of the members is key, not a new market expansion for them.

If I haven’t been clear, the issue I raise and the point I’m making doesn’t have to do with you giving your opinion, your character, or your integrity, it’s about objectivity in this matter. How can someone stay objective when they increase their proximity to the action? IME, they cannot. And that diminishing objectivity can be a slippery slope. I’m not saying you’re going to change into a ‘bad’ person. I’m saying what seems like you potentially losing that objectivity in this matter, is a concern from friend to friend, that’s all.

In hindsight, I realize I should have discussed my concerns with you privately. I apologize for saying things that seemed like an attack on your character, forcing you to defend yourself. I reacted to your initial post instead of a thoughtful response. I hope you accept my apology and consider what I’ve said.
 
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