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TP's HGH - TheGreytops

mands said:
I told myself I might get a few haters and questions ,then I thought I'm asking MESO their thoughts and I'm sharing mine... Certainly members will see exactly that and nothing more.

Not breaking ICE just asking the majority if they would like to have access. It's one of those things that you will see me as a some shady person for mentioning it or a great guy for asking. Not many members here have access to TP.

The fact is I have had a million PM's about generic GH and I give them my opinion. It just so happens TP contacted me about coming to MESO and I told him I would see if MESO wanted him here. He didn't ask me to rep, shill, advertise for him. I'm not getting anything from it. I did on my own free will.

I think it goes without saying that any source can go bad at anytime blah blah blah. But, there has too many members here being ripped off and at present time I don't believe TP is going to do that.

With that said it's up to you guys if you want him here not me personally or anyone else.

I am not putting my name on a "generic" dealer I'm simply asking if MESO would like to have access to a supplier that's been around for a long time.

And to be candid, I don't really give a shit who it sits well with. I have my top three generic GH suppliers and he happens to be one of them.

What doesn't sit well with me is you calling me out. It's always the newer guys trying to make a name for themselves. It was Brutus that called me out a couple years ago and you now. Brutus knows me personally and knows my intentions. Actually JB and Brutus know about everything I do and if I was repping or affiliated with someone they would be the first to know. Actually Millard would be the first to know and JB/Brutus would know second. Sorry guys.

You can have your opinion about the situation and I will keep mine. I'm not introducing a new supplier. AGAIN i'm asking if members would like access. TP does not need an introduction. He's been around the game for a long time. He respects the board, the members, Millard and myself. That's why he asked me my thoughts.

mands
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I don't think you have to explain yourself Mands. I think most of us trust your judgement.
 
First and foremost his reason for coming here is to make money. It seems that for a source to make it on Meso is like the fucking holy Grail. If he gets good marks here it's probably good for his business. Just my two cents.
 
I think TP would be a great asset to the board here considering his track record of selling quality generic GH and his willingness to support independent testing of it as well. The guy has been doing this for years and takes pride in putting out a quality product. I just don't know how it would all play out as he is not used to criticism or being attacked, which is most likely going to happen no matter what due to the low trust factor here.
 
CensoredBoardsSuck said:
I can't believe what I'm hearing. It's bad enough that sources are ABUSING Meso's uncensored format to sell drugs here, but now we've got senior members playing the role of middleman and introducing them to the board, while at the same time, getting defensive and using their so-called seniority to admonish a member who was questioning their judgement and intent. Give me a fucking break!

@Millard Baker, I never thought the day would come when I would say this, but I'm going on the record and stating that sources shouldn't be allowed to participate here any longer. When sources were coming on their own we could deal with them objectively, but if sources are going to come with the backing of respected members - and backing is exactly what this is, your vision for the Steroid Underground will have failed. It will be just another censored forum like ProMuscle - not censored by the admin, but censored by senior members using their join date to censure, castigate and admonish those who dare to question their motives.

CBS
Highly disappointed
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Alright CBS, please hear me out, and then offer your input, as I will always value your opinion even on things we disagree on. But... if our concern is protecting people/members from potentially shady sources, then are we not best equipped to achieve that goal by the having the source themselves here to answer uncensored, unmoderated questions? If we keep them away from here, are we not losing the opportunity to expose them for what they truly are, good or bad, by having them here in the line of fire? If we keep the extent of their dialogue to boards where they are helping fund the website itself, then predictably NO ONE will be holding them accountable by asking them questions directly.

mands said:
Everyone knows about TP... I'm not introducing him. Just simply asking if members would like the opportunity to have access.

If the board is against it than I'm with the board.

I truly don't see anything out of line about what I posted. I will respond a little later. I have a busy evening.

mands
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I think what guys are trying to say is that by you stating that you use these guys, it immediately offers a tremendous amount of trust and prestige in ANY company you might say this about. You, Mands, are basically a rock star here at Meso, so you associating yourself with them equals immediate "g2g" status with many members.


biggerben69 said:
Last I hears TP has a laundry list of questions that a guy has to answer to be considered being added to his client list. It's turned a lot of guys off. The need/want for gh that isn't bunk outweighs TP being hurt by his invasive practice.
TP is faster than HK, however, he's no speed freak. His thread is going to be full of guys wondering aloud if things are G2G and questions about customs etc. It will teach some folks patience if nothing else comes of it.
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But I think we'd all agree that the responsibility of customer expectations on delivery time falls squarely on the shoulders of the source, correct? If TP has been around this long, then surely he knows he must set honest/realistic turn around times or face getting complaints about the TA! You can't tell a customer their HGH will be there in their hands in 3 weeks or less, and then be surprised if they start asking where there pack is by week 4, and then start posting up by week 5 that their HGH is now 2 weeks late. That's on the source, right?

CensoredBoardsSuck said:
Or we can use the forum as Millard intended and not allow sources to use it as a sales platform.
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This is the problem with a truly unmoderated board. It is, what ever the members want it to be. And if we have members who want it to be a place where they can start sourcing, then either you have to allow it, or go to a moderated platform. I am not saying I want or don't want sources here, but we can't brag about our absolute freedom to say whatever we want, and then attempt to stifle would-be-sources speach, right? Who would decide who gets to say what they want, and who doesn't?

Dlevel said:
I am wondering if this " TP " is so well known why it is he would want to come to a non source board .. Would think he would be pretty well established and not want the added aggravation
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Same reason McDonald's and Subway both open stores in the ghetto, where robberies and violent crimes against patrons are much more common, and store conditions seems shoddy, and employee turnover is through the roof ----> MONEY!

muscle96ss said:
I think TP would be a great asset to the board here considering his track record of selling quality generic GH and his willingness to support independent testing of it as well. The guy has been doing this for years and takes pride in putting out a quality product. I just don't know how it would all play out as he is not used to criticism or being attacked, which is most likely going to happen no matter what due to the low trust factor here.
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Surely we are to assume that TP KNOWS WHAT HE IS GETTING INTO HERE, but believes he has the product and service to whistle right along where others have failed? I have to believe Mands has made the climate here quite clear to TP.
 
bickel29 said:
This is the problem with a truly unmoderated board. It is, what ever the members want it to be.
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I am not a HGH user nor do I know a damn thing about TP but if the board is truly to remain uncensored and unmoderated then sources will participate and some members may well choose to intro them or vouch for them.

Seems like the natural course of events to me. It is one of the things I like about Meso, anything goes.
 
bickel29 said:
Alright CBS, please hear me out, and then offer your input, as I will always value your opinion even on things we disagree on. But... if our concern is protecting people/members from potentially shady sources, then are we not best equipped to achieve that goal by the having the source themselves here to answer uncensored, unmoderated questions? If we keep them away from here, are we not losing the opportunity to expose them for what they truly are, good or bad, by having them here in the line of fire? If we keep the extent of their dialogue to boards where they are helping fund the website itself, then predictably NO ONE will be holding them accountable by asking them questions directly.



I think what guys are trying to say is that by you stating that you use these guys, it immediately offers a tremendous amount of trust and prestige in ANY company you might say this about. You, Mands, are basically a rock star here at Meso, so you associating yourself with them equals immediate "g2g" status with many members.




But I think we'd all agree that the responsibility of customer expectations on delivery time falls squarely on the shoulders of the source, correct? If TP has been around this long, then surely he knows he must set honest/realistic turn around times or face getting complaints about the TA! You can't tell a customer their HGH will be there in their hands in 3 weeks or less, and then be surprised if they start asking where there pack is by week 4, and then start posting up by week 5 that their HGH is now 2 weeks late. That's on the source, right?



This is the problem with a truly unmoderated board. It is, what ever the members want it to be. And if we have members who want it to be a place where they can start sourcing, then either you have to allow it, or go to a moderated platform. I am not saying I want or don't want sources here, but we can't brag about our absolute freedom to say whatever we want, and then attempt to stifle would-be-sources speach, right? Who would decide who gets to say what they want, and who doesn't?



Same reason McDonald's and Subway both open stores in the ghetto, where robberies and violent crimes against patrons are much more common, and store conditions seems shoddy, and employee turnover is through the roof ----> MONEY!



Surely we are to assume that TP KNOWS WHAT HE IS GETTING INTO HERE, but believes he has the product and service to whistle right along where others have failed? I have to believe Mands has made the climate here quite clear to TP.
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I completely understand what you are saying @bickel29 and yes I did make it clear about the "climate" here. :)

mands
 
bickel29 said:
Alright CBS, please hear me out, and then offer your input, as I will always value your opinion even on things we disagree on. But... if our concern is protecting people/members from potentially shady sources, then are we not best equipped to achieve that goal by the having the source themselves here to answer uncensored, unmoderated questions? If we keep them away from here, are we not losing the opportunity to expose them for what they truly are, good or bad, by having them here in the line of fire? If we keep the extent of their dialogue to boards where they are helping fund the website itself, then predictably NO ONE will be holding them accountable by asking them questions directly.



I think what guys are trying to say is that by you stating that you use these guys, it immediately offers a tremendous amount of trust and prestige in ANY company you might say this about. You, Mands, are basically a rock star here at Meso, so you associating yourself with them equals immediate "g2g" status with many members.




But I think we'd all agree that the responsibility of customer expectations on delivery time falls squarely on the shoulders of the source, correct? If TP has been around this long, then surely he knows he must set honest/realistic turn around times or face getting complaints about the TA! You can't tell a customer their HGH will be there in their hands in 3 weeks or less, and then be surprised if they start asking where there pack is by week 4, and then start posting up by week 5 that their HGH is now 2 weeks late. That's on the source, right?



This is the problem with a truly unmoderated board. It is, what ever the members want it to be. And if we have members who want it to be a place where they can start sourcing, then either you have to allow it, or go to a moderated platform. I am not saying I want or don't want sources here, but we can't brag about our absolute freedom to say whatever we want, and then attempt to stifle would-be-sources speach, right? Who would decide who gets to say what they want, and who doesn't?



Same reason McDonald's and Subway both open stores in the ghetto, where robberies and violent crimes against patrons are much more common, and store conditions seems shoddy, and employee turnover is through the roof ----> MONEY!



Surely we are to assume that TP KNOWS WHAT HE IS GETTING INTO HERE, but believes he has the product and service to whistle right along where others have failed? I have to believe Mands has made the climate here quite clear to TP.
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Damn bickel29 didn't realize you were that smart. Just fucking with you bro. You made some good points
 
insertnamehere said:
Wow. Didn't expect such a defensive response from you. You're usually so level headed even in heated debates.

I don't consider what I said calling you out. You asked in the open forum what people thought. I gave you my thoughts and you lash out at me? There was no need for that.

And do you really think this an attempt at me trying to make a name for myself?

Am I a "hater" for getting involved in this discussion by asking you a question and revealing my thoughts on this subject?

I'm a little taken aback as I didn't expect this type of response from you.

Not that I would like to continue a discussion with you in, your current state of mind, but as far as respect for the board and Millard, why would TP source here if he knows its not a source board? Doesn't sound like respect to me. Sounds like business.
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I don't believe ISN was calling you out MANDS, but rather only voicing his opinion your approach seems atypical for YOU.

And to be honest I can't disagree.

Why do you feel compelled to intro this fella and settle the preemptive waters by put your name out as being supportive of his past?

Couldn't he have done this wo such an endorsement?

It's your call but as you know GH sales is one slippery SOB :)
 
I see no harm in openly inviting a trusted by a WKM source over, I personally have no use for HGH especially being half a planet away but I think it could be beneficial to others as long as there is transparency kept like in the OP. Weighing in pros and cons I think it's an easy choice. I personally would rather be trusting a Mands approved person instead of a complete stranger, it is still a chance but at least it has a bit of comfort and peace of mind on it eventho I completely understand people being pissed off about him openly recommending a source I believe it can be rather helpful to others and of course in case it proves as one other WKM recently we will have just another discussion how a status is nothing. People reacting as if he is pushing against Meso rules are too anal about secrecy, he could always get and reply any pm with a source name, he would rather openly recommend a guy and here we go again witch hunting?
 
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