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That'd be the idea, yes. Since argon is heavier than air it should stay in the vial even with a vent. You could fill a vacuum sealed vial with argon and then when you fill with oil, use a vent needle same as you normally would and it 'should' only displace the argon needed to allow for the oil volume.
Hey @AllGoodThings , do you think the injectable YK-11 from Modern Aminos is safe for long-term storage? I'm planning to do the same with their injectable LGD-4033 vial. I'll be splitting the LGD solution into multiple sterile KS-Tek vials (about 20 × 1ml vials for microdosing), so each would hold roughly 25mg (0.5ml dose). I'll use the vacuum suction trick with a syringe to minimize air, then seal them with foil vial seals just like you
Any tips?
I don't see any reason why not. The lower temps slow down API degradation, and the process by which oils go rancid. Oxygen is definitely a big enemy, so getting as much out as possible is beneficial. With the smaller vials you shouldn't see much difference, better or worse, just be aware that the less dead space, the better. Just make sure you're not touching the stopper with the oil. I can't think of any tips, it's a pretty straightforward process. Good luck!Hey @AllGoodThings , do you think the injectable YK-11 from Modern Aminos is safe for long-term storage? I'm planning to do the same with their injectable LGD-4033 vial. I'll be splitting the LGD solution into multiple sterile KS-Tek vials (about 20 × 1ml vials for microdosing), so each would hold roughly 25mg (0.5ml dose). I'll use the vacuum suction trick with a syringe to minimize air, then seal them with foil vial seals just like you
Depends on the carrier oil
mct and castor
Well, it often depends on how you store it also if you freeze it it lasts way longer but from my understanding mct-2-3 years, castor-1-2 years , maybe be somebody more knowledgeable than me can chime in but that's what I understand, Mct being better for long term storage
The devil is in the details. The problem with estimating something like this is you'll find wildly different quality MCT out there. A very low quality, non-pure MCT from China that has vegetable oil added to cut it is probably going to give you a year or two, tops. On the other hand, a very high quality, pharmaceutical, zero peroxide value MCT like mig812 can last an exceptionally long time. I've heard of examples of 4 year old mig812 still testing at 0 peroxide. All storage conditions being optimal (no light, quality stopper, cooler room temps) I'd not be surprised to see mig812 last 10+ years. For a similar pharmaceutical grade ~3 peroxide value Castor oil, I'd imagine 3+ years a real possibility. Freezing anything will dramatically slow oxidation and API degradation, and in turn enhance shelf life, likely to the point of out lasting most of us easily.
so you think just simply putting them in a freezer face up will add decades of shelf life? just simply vacuum seal them then freeze them upright and warm them up when time to use? and decades?
In my opinion, yes, I think the data backs that up as a reasonable expectation
I saw someone talking about putting the syringe just the needle and not the syringe.putting it into the vials and vacuum sealing it like that so that vacuum pulls any oxygen out of the vials and leaving it vacuum sealed like that and then freezing.seems a bit much to me. were you going to try something like that? also having it frozen and crashed for so many years than just warming it back up you don't think that causes any issues with the gear?(I'm discussing testosterone, Masteron ECT not peptides)
damn thats actually smart
but their shouldnt be any oxygen in the vials brand new right? the manufacturer should suck out anything before putting the stoppers and caps on. or am I misinformed?
Not sure I know exactly what you're referring to with the needle staying in, and not the syringe, but I do pull air out in my process using a syringe to create the vacuum. Could you explain the process you're referring to in a little more detail?
When i vial up my oils , i suck about 30 ml of air out before i put the vial seal on, oxygen and light i feel are the absolute worst thing, also heat , but thats a no brainer.
I've never done it so I'm not an expert but my understanding is if you remove the needle from the syringe and put it into the vials and have the needle above the oil lingering in the air above the oil, then put the vials in a vacuum seal bag facing upward and start the machine it will draw the air out of the bag and out of the vials through the needle and then place in the freezer face up
I understand what you're saying now. I have a vaccum sealer for long term food storage, might have to mess around with it one of these weekends. One downside I see is that it would mean I couldn't store the vials in the cases I use, and they'd take up considerably more space. Not a big deal for most though. Thanks for the idea!
