Transferring steroids through semen to my GF?

[Ecstasy]

I've been struggling to find information on how much of a drug is transferred during sex. My girlfriend competes tested and I compete untested. I've seen some women say they've had some changes on their body from having sex with guys who use steroids.
I just wanted to know if what I'm taking will transfer to her and cause a failed drug test. Thanks!

 

[Millard]

There have been cases of this happening. If I recall correctly, at least one woman was exonerated by anti-doping after attributing the banned substances to her boyfriend's semen.

Here's an academic paper that does a good job of explaining the risks, etc. while highlighting 3 cases:

Case 1
22‐year‐old female athlete produced a urine sample containing low concentrations of LGD‐4033 (detectable but below minimum required performance limits [MRPL] of 2 ng/ml) and its dihydroxy metabolite (detectable but not qualifiable without reference standard) in A sample with confirmation of detectable metabolite in the B sample. Her boyfriend was taking Ligandrol (LGD‐4033) 12 mg per dose sporadically but about twice weekly including taking multiple doses over the week prior to athlete's test with the last dose 3 days prior to sex with the athlete.

Case 2
21‐year‐old female athlete produced a urine test containing low but detectable concentrations of letrozole metabolite (bis(4‐cyanophenyl) methanol) and GW1516 (GW1516 sulfoxide & GW1516 sulfone). All positives were detectable but below MRPL (20 ng/ml). Her boyfriend was taking oral solutions of Letrozole and GW1516 daily for between 2 to 3 weeks over the period of the athlete's positive urine test when they had frequent sex.

Case 3
20‐year‐old female athlete with multiple negative anti‐doping tests over the previous 2 years produced a urine sample with low concentrations of mesterolone metabolite (1α‐methyl‐5α‐androstan‐3α‐ol‐17‐one) in the A sample and confirmed in the B sample. Boyfriend was taking mesterolone (50 mg daily) with additional 25 mg doses prior to sex.

Drug Test Anal. 2022 Sep; 14(9): 1623–1628.
Published online 2022 Jun 9. doi: 10.1002/dta.3331

Sexually transmitted doping: The impact of urine contamination of semen​

David J. Handelsman,corresponding author 1 , 2 Feyrous Bacha, 1 Marsha DeBono, 3 Sue Sleiman, 1 and Margaret R. Janu 3

Abstract​

The high sensitivity of antidoping detection tests creates the possibility of inadvertent doping due to an athlete's unknowing ingestion of contaminated environmental sources such as dietary supplements, food, or drinks. Recently, athletes denying use of a prohibited substance have claimed that the positive antidoping tests was due to exchange of bodily fluids with a nonathlete partner using a prohibited substance. Measurement of drugs in semen is largely limited to one or very few samples due to the inaccessibility of sufficiently frequent semen samples for detailed pharmacokinetics. An emerging issue in semen drug measurements is that semen samples may contain residual urine from ejaculation left in the urethra; however, the urine content in semen samples has not been studied. In the present study, we employed concurrent creatinine measurements in urine and seminal plasma to determine the urine content of semen samples.

 

[glizz]

There have been cases of this happening. If I recall correctly, at least one woman was exonerated by anti-doping after attributing the banned substances to her boyfriend's semen.

Here's an academic paper that does a good job of explaining the risks, etc. while highlighting 3 cases:

Case 1
22‐year‐old female athlete produced a urine sample containing low concentrations of LGD‐4033 (detectable but below minimum required performance limits [MRPL] of 2 ng/ml) and its dihydroxy metabolite (detectable but not qualifiable without reference standard) in A sample with confirmation of detectable metabolite in the B sample. Her boyfriend was taking Ligandrol (LGD‐4033) 12 mg per dose sporadically but about twice weekly including taking multiple doses over the week prior to athlete's test with the last dose 3 days prior to sex with the athlete.

Case 2
21‐year‐old female athlete produced a urine test containing low but detectable concentrations of letrozole metabolite (bis(4‐cyanophenyl) methanol) and GW1516 (GW1516 sulfoxide & GW1516 sulfone). All positives were detectable but below MRPL (20 ng/ml). Her boyfriend was taking oral solutions of Letrozole and GW1516 daily for between 2 to 3 weeks over the period of the athlete's positive urine test when they had frequent sex.

Case 3
20‐year‐old female athlete with multiple negative anti‐doping tests over the previous 2 years produced a urine sample with low concentrations of mesterolone metabolite (1α‐methyl‐5α‐androstan‐3α‐ol‐17‐one) in the A sample and confirmed in the B sample. Boyfriend was taking mesterolone (50 mg daily) with additional 25 mg doses prior to sex.

Drug Test Anal. 2022 Sep; 14(9): 1623–1628.
Published online 2022 Jun 9. doi: 10.1002/dta.3331

Sexually transmitted doping: The impact of urine contamination of semen​

David J. Handelsman,corresponding author 1 , 2 Feyrous Bacha, 1 Marsha DeBono, 3 Sue Sleiman, 1 and Margaret R. Janu 3

Abstract​

The high sensitivity of antidoping detection tests creates the possibility of inadvertent doping due to an athlete's unknowing ingestion of contaminated environmental sources such as dietary supplements, food, or drinks. Recently, athletes denying use of a prohibited substance have claimed that the positive antidoping tests was due to exchange of bodily fluids with a nonathlete partner using a prohibited substance. Measurement of drugs in semen is largely limited to one or very few samples due to the inaccessibility of sufficiently frequent semen samples for detailed pharmacokinetics. An emerging issue in semen drug measurements is that semen samples may contain residual urine from ejaculation left in the urethra; however, the urine content in semen samples has not been studied. In the present study, we employed concurrent creatinine measurements in urine and seminal plasma to determine the urine content of semen samples.

Could this technically affect mood? I swear every time i use a 19-Nor based compound the GF becomes depressed. Not the case with my DHTs through.

 

[malfeasance]

There have been cases of this happening. If I recall correctly, at least one woman was exonerated by anti-doping after attributing the banned substances to her boyfriend's semen.

Here's an academic paper that does a good job of explaining the risks, etc. while highlighting 3 cases:

Case 1
22‐year‐old female athlete produced a urine sample containing low concentrations of LGD‐4033 (detectable but below minimum required performance limits [MRPL] of 2 ng/ml) and its dihydroxy metabolite (detectable but not qualifiable without reference standard) in A sample with confirmation of detectable metabolite in the B sample. Her boyfriend was taking Ligandrol (LGD‐4033) 12 mg per dose sporadically but about twice weekly including taking multiple doses over the week prior to athlete's test with the last dose 3 days prior to sex with the athlete.

Case 2
21‐year‐old female athlete produced a urine test containing low but detectable concentrations of letrozole metabolite (bis(4‐cyanophenyl) methanol) and GW1516 (GW1516 sulfoxide & GW1516 sulfone). All positives were detectable but below MRPL (20 ng/ml). Her boyfriend was taking oral solutions of Letrozole and GW1516 daily for between 2 to 3 weeks over the period of the athlete's positive urine test when they had frequent sex.

Case 3
20‐year‐old female athlete with multiple negative anti‐doping tests over the previous 2 years produced a urine sample with low concentrations of mesterolone metabolite (1α‐methyl‐5α‐androstan‐3α‐ol‐17‐one) in the A sample and confirmed in the B sample. Boyfriend was taking mesterolone (50 mg daily) with additional 25 mg doses prior to sex.

Drug Test Anal. 2022 Sep; 14(9): 1623–1628.
Published online 2022 Jun 9. doi: 10.1002/dta.3331

Sexually transmitted doping: The impact of urine contamination of semen​

David J. Handelsman,corresponding author 1 , 2 Feyrous Bacha, 1 Marsha DeBono, 3 Sue Sleiman, 1 and Margaret R. Janu 3

Abstract​

The high sensitivity of antidoping detection tests creates the possibility of inadvertent doping due to an athlete's unknowing ingestion of contaminated environmental sources such as dietary supplements, food, or drinks. Recently, athletes denying use of a prohibited substance have claimed that the positive antidoping tests was due to exchange of bodily fluids with a nonathlete partner using a prohibited substance. Measurement of drugs in semen is largely limited to one or very few samples due to the inaccessibility of sufficiently frequent semen samples for detailed pharmacokinetics. An emerging issue in semen drug measurements is that semen samples may contain residual urine from ejaculation left in the urethra; however, the urine content in semen samples has not been studied. In the present study, we employed concurrent creatinine measurements in urine and seminal plasma to determine the urine content of semen samples.

I have no way of knowing, of course, but these could be stories concocted to get out of trouble after being caught.

"Oh, it was poppy seeds on my bread."

"Oh, my boyfriend is using that banned substance and he came in me a lot right before that test."

 

[Millard]

I have no way of knowing, of course, but these could be stories concocted to get out of trouble after being caught.

"Oh, it was poppy seeds on my bread."

"Oh, my boyfriend is using that banned substance and he came in me a lot right before that test."

Yes, I agree. And i think anti-doping officials are leery of these type of excuses. So I'm not sure if this is an airtight strategy. If it did work, enhanced bodybuilders would be in high demand from elite-level female athletes!

 

[Type-IIx]

I have no way of knowing, of course, but these could be stories concocted to get out of trouble after being caught.

"Oh, it was poppy seeds on my bread."

"Oh, my boyfriend is using that banned substance and he came in me a lot right before that test."

Apparently, both are very real scenarios that can occur, the former actually being remarkably common. I thought the semen transfer of AAS metabolites had been convincingly repudiated by CAS because it had no medical basis, but this is not Med. Hypotheses, the journal from which Millard shared is a credible one.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Could this technically affect mood? I swear every time i use a 19-Nor based compound the GF becomes depressed. Not the case with my DHTs through.

You are joking right?

 

[Type-IIx]

Could this technically affect mood? I swear every time i use a 19-Nor based compound the GF becomes depressed. Not the case with my DHTs through.

No. Your girlfriend is not getting depressed from semen transfer of even nandrolone metabolites, becaue this could not plausibly alter neurosteroid activities or dopamine metabolism because such a metabolite couldn't conceivably cross the blood-brain barrier in levels that could have any biological significance.

Your girl's mood might be related to some tertiary factor that's associated with your drug use patterns, like your behavior, though.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

associated with your drug use patterns, like your behavior, though.

Kind of why I thought he was making a joke..

Kind of like "Tren doesn't affect me, it affects everyone else. Whenever I take it, everyone seems to be dumber and more annoying"

 

[Ecstasy]

There have been cases of this happening. If I recall correctly, at least one woman was exonerated by anti-doping after attributing the banned substances to her boyfriend's semen.

Here's an academic paper that does a good job of explaining the risks, etc. while highlighting 3 cases:

Case 1
22‐year‐old female athlete produced a urine sample containing low concentrations of LGD‐4033 (detectable but below minimum required performance limits [MRPL] of 2 ng/ml) and its dihydroxy metabolite (detectable but not qualifiable without reference standard) in A sample with confirmation of detectable metabolite in the B sample. Her boyfriend was taking Ligandrol (LGD‐4033) 12 mg per dose sporadically but about twice weekly including taking multiple doses over the week prior to athlete's test with the last dose 3 days prior to sex with the athlete.

Case 2
21‐year‐old female athlete produced a urine test containing low but detectable concentrations of letrozole metabolite (bis(4‐cyanophenyl) methanol) and GW1516 (GW1516 sulfoxide & GW1516 sulfone). All positives were detectable but below MRPL (20 ng/ml). Her boyfriend was taking oral solutions of Letrozole and GW1516 daily for between 2 to 3 weeks over the period of the athlete's positive urine test when they had frequent sex.

Case 3
20‐year‐old female athlete with multiple negative anti‐doping tests over the previous 2 years produced a urine sample with low concentrations of mesterolone metabolite (1α‐methyl‐5α‐androstan‐3α‐ol‐17‐one) in the A sample and confirmed in the B sample. Boyfriend was taking mesterolone (50 mg daily) with additional 25 mg doses prior to sex.

Drug Test Anal. 2022 Sep; 14(9): 1623–1628.
Published online 2022 Jun 9. doi: 10.1002/dta.3331

Sexually transmitted doping: The impact of urine contamination of semen​

David J. Handelsman,corresponding author 1 , 2 Feyrous Bacha, 1 Marsha DeBono, 3 Sue Sleiman, 1 and Margaret R. Janu 3

Abstract​

The high sensitivity of antidoping detection tests creates the possibility of inadvertent doping due to an athlete's unknowing ingestion of contaminated environmental sources such as dietary supplements, food, or drinks. Recently, athletes denying use of a prohibited substance have claimed that the positive antidoping tests was due to exchange of bodily fluids with a nonathlete partner using a prohibited substance. Measurement of drugs in semen is largely limited to one or very few samples due to the inaccessibility of sufficiently frequent semen samples for detailed pharmacokinetics. An emerging issue in semen drug measurements is that semen samples may contain residual urine from ejaculation left in the urethra; however, the urine content in semen samples has not been studied. In the present study, we employed concurrent creatinine measurements in urine and seminal plasma to determine the urine content of semen samples.

I read this one! I wasn't sure if there were more like this. Thanks for answering the question!

 

[acetate jake]

Kind of why I thought he was making a joke..

Kind of like "Tren doesn't affect me, it affects everyone else. Whenever I take it, everyone seems to be dumber and more annoying"

r/AITA

Today I beat the shit out of my girl and now she's upset with me

cycle update:
- 1g Test
- 1g Tren
- 40mg Halo pwo

 

[Millard]

Virginia FUCHS was one female athlete in which sexual intercourse was used as explanation to avoid sanction after testing positive for a banned substance.

Olympic hopeful U.S. boxer cleared of doping violation caused by sex​

JUNE 12, 2020

(Reuters) - U.S. Olympic team boxer Virginia Fuchs has been cleared of a doping violation after the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) determined that banned substances in her sample had been transmitted during sex with her boyfriend.

The 32-year-old flyweight had tested positive for two substances banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) in an out-of-competition urine test on Feb. 13, the USADA said in a statement.

“The low amounts of letrozole metabolite and GW1516 metabolites detected in her sample were consistent with recent exposure to the substances via sexual transmission,” the USADA said it had determined in its investigation.

The anti-doping body said Fuchs’s partner had been using therapeutic doses of the two substances and that Fuchs bore no fault or negligence for the adverse finding and would therefore not be banned.

“We strongly believe this case and others like it, including meat contamination and prescription medication contamination cases should be considered no violation,” USADA chief Travis Tygart said.

Fuchs narrowly missed out on qualifying for the Rio Olympics in 2016 and has now set her sights on next year’s delayed Tokyo Games.

“This has been a huge lesson for me and now that is over, I’m fully focused on preparing for Tokyo,” she wrote on Twitter.

The usual punishment for the use of banned substances is a four-year ban from all WADA-compliant sports.

Reporting by Arvind Sriram in Bengaluru; Editing by Robert Birsel

Source: Olympic hopeful U.S. boxer cleared of doping violation caused by sex

 

[Millard]

Canoe star cleared of doping violation due to no intention​

JANUARY 28, 2020

Canadian athlete Laurence Vincent Lapointe has been cleared of an anti-doping rule violation after a panel ruled that the positive test for a prohibited substance was caused by contamination from her boyfriend.

Lapointe failed an out of competition test last year in July when trace amounts of Lingandrol, a banned substance, were found in the sample that she provided. This meant that the 11-time world champion was facing a four-year ban if the panel found that she had committed an Anti-Doping Rule Violation, which would have resulted in her missing the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

Lapointe missed the 2019 world championships during her provisional suspension but is cleared to compete again after the panel found that contamination from her boyfriend was responsible for the trace amount of Lingandrol that was found in the sample she provided. Hair analysis revealed that the canoeists former boyfriend had consumed a product containing large amounts of the substance, with this being transferred via sweat, saliva and semen.

Subsequent tests of Lapointe’s provided samples returned negative results which meant that she would have only been exposed to the substance on one occasion and in a very small amount, her then boyfriend later admitted to using a substance known as SR9011, which he used as a supplement when playing football. Lapointe commented “I believe in clean sport, and it is what I apply as a principle in my life as an athlete. I would never put my name, my reputation or my career at risk to improve my performances and widen the gap with my opponents."

The decision may be appealed by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Source: Canoe star cleared of doping violation due to no intention | Sport Resolutions

 

[Millard]

So WADA/USADA are testing athletes for semen in their urine...

Probing for the presence of semenogelin in human urine by immunological and chromatographic-mass spectrometric methods in the context of sports drug testing

Breuer, J, Thomas, A, Geyer, H, Thevis, M
Anal Sci Adv. 2022; 3: 21–28. https://doi.org/10.1002/ansa.202100058

An increasing number of adverse analytical findings (AAFs) in routine doping controls has been suspected and debated to presumably result from intimate contact with bodily fluids (including ejaculate), potentially facilitating the transfer of prohibited substances. More precisely, the possibility of prohibited drugs being present in ejaculate and introduced by sexual intercourse into the vagina of an athlete and, subsequently, into doping control urine samples, was discussed.

 

[janoshik]

Nothing like invasion of privacy with "did you get creampied recently" test.