Tren E - Test E - Anavar Cycle

[EQ Kimball]

Hey fellas

3rd blast coming up and I have some questions for the collective experienced members of this community.

Current Stats and gear running:
24 Y.O - 3rd Cycle - 257lbs - 6'3 - This Deca bulk is fattening me up and i'm around 15% BF (estimation).
I'm currently running:
1g Test Enth
625mgs Deca
400mg Mast E

I have roughly 6 weeks left on this blast but I want to do a back to back blast. I understand the risks of this and am open to suggestions and advice but my plan is as followed:

Finish up Test/Deca/Tren blast - cruise for a couple weeks of 500mg test (which I wish I could skip all together) and then blast my first tren cycle with the goal of Recomp to get down to ~11%.

16 week blast:
600mg Tren E 1-16
625mg Test E 1-16
75mg Anavar 8-16 (not sure if I should do 1-8 or use it as a finisher)
12.5 Asin EOD
500mg B6 time release
Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off 160mcg daily
Prami on deck just in case

I want to hear some opinions.

Paging @kendallkmw @Roger rabbit or anyother guy with experience!

 

[ICD-HardThings]

Hey fellas

3rd blast coming up and I have some questions for the collective experienced members of this community.

Current Stats and gear running:
24 Y.O - 3rd Cycle - 257lbs - 6'3 - This Deca bulk is fattening me up and i'm around 15% BF (estimation).
I'm currently running:
1g Test Enth
625mgs Deca
400mg Mast E

I have roughly 6 weeks left on this blast but I want to do a back to back blast. I understand the risks of this and am open to suggestions and advice but my plan is as followed:

Finish up Test/Deca/Tren blast - cruise for a couple weeks of 500mg test (which I wish I could skip all together) and then blast my first tren cycle with the goal of Recomp to get down to ~11%.

16 week blast:
600mg Tren E 1-16
625mg Test E 1-16
75mg Anavar 8-16 (not sure if I should do 1-8 or use it as a finisher)
12.5 Asin EOD
500mg B6 time release
Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off 160mcg daily
Prami on deck just in case

I want to hear some opinions.

Paging @kendallkmw @Roger rabbit or anyother guy with experience!

How much time down are you planning to put between these? I think your biggest problem will be myostatin. Its going to take you at bare minimum probably 6 weeks for that to return to baseline. You can cruise on a TRT dose during this time but that will be your killer.

Im not sure of your experience with Tren but 16 weeks seems like it might be a little long. About 8-10 weeks is my max tolerance. I think longer than 10 weeks on Tren isn't gonna yield you much more results, but may elevate your liver values and increase lethargy. I'd throw the Anavar on the end for sure. If its good Var I experience some painful pumps at 50mg so I'd consider starting there.

Also your going to have to play with your test/tren dosage to find the sweet spot for you. I encourage to look at others experiences high tren/low test and vice versa. Tren is the heavy hitter on this cycle and I think you'll find if your running test high the two are competing for the same receptors and your beast can't be in beast mode. Once all the receptors are full no more of either compound can be taken on. I'm running my test at TRT and my Tren at 100mg e.d. Since dropping my test I can absolutely see the Tren working where before I couldn't really see much in the way of results with high test.

 

[EQ Kimball]

How much time down are you planning to put between these? I think your biggest problem will be myostatin. Its going to take you at bare minimum probably 6 weeks for that to return to baseline. You can cruise on a TRT dose during this time but that will be your killer.

Im not sure of your experience with Tren but 16 weeks seems like it might be a little long. About 8-10 weeks is my max tolerance. I think longer than 10 weeks on Tren isn't gonna yield you much more results, but may elevate your liver values and increase lethargy. I'd throw the Anavar on the end for sure. If its good Var I experience some painful pumps at 50mg so I'd consider starting there.

Also your going to have to play with your test/tren dosage to find the sweet spot for you. I encourage to look at others experiences high tren/low test and vice versa. Tren is the heavy hitter on this cycle and I think you'll find if your running test high the two are competing for the same receptors and your beast can't be in beast mode. Once all the receptors are full no more of either compound can be taken on. I'm running my test at TRT and my Tren at 100mg e.d. Since dropping my test I can absolutely see the Tren working where before I couldn't really see much in the way of results with high test.

I appreciate the response. So you think going from the deca cycle to the tren cycle with only a 3 week trt dose won't bring my myostatin levels down? I need to read more about myostatin.

So in your experience bringing the test down will result in the tren working better? I understand the concept of fighting for the receptors but I also heard the tren will always win - I want enough test flowing to 1) keep my dick hard and 2) keeping my joints a little lubed up.

 

[EQ Kimball]

Running all SAS gear so I'm pretty sure the var will be legit. How's his tren? My experience with tren is 0. I cannot pin ED do to my career/family so even though I wish I could reap the benefits of tren a , i'm going to have to stick to tren E.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

I appreciate the response. So you think going from the deca cycle to the tren cycle with only a 3 week trt dose won't bring my myostatin levels down? I need to read more about myostatin.

So in your experience bringing the test down will result in the tren working better? I understand the concept of fighting for the receptors but I also heard the tren will always win - I want enough test flowing to 1) keep my dick hard and 2) keeping my joints a little lubed up.

I think the cruise will help you trim up a little bit natty and absolutely let myostatin levels normalize. My experience with high test is I've not seen the Tren at its fullest. My TRT and Tren and my girl breathes on me and im rock hard. That and the gains are back.

 

[EQ Kimball]

What trt dose do you recommend?

 

[ICD-HardThings]

Running all SAS gear so I'm pretty sure the var will be legit. How's his tren? My experience with tren is 0. I cannot pin ED do to my career/family so even though I wish I could reap the benefits of tren a , i'm going to have to stick to tren E.

I run his Tren A because I dont experience sides with the short ester, and im not willing to be a test subject to find out if ill have sides on long ester. If you experience sides and discontinue use its going to take time to clear. I understand sides can be more pronounced on long ester. If you can pin at least e.o.d short ester I think is best.

If you go long ester start a little lower and build up. I think some people hype the sides up but its serious if you experience them. Also a big thing to consider with tren is your personality type. There is a possibility of moderate to extreme aggression or rage. Oddly enough it seems to mellow me out except for my mouth. Ill say shit and be like did I just fucking say that.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

What trt dose do you recommend?

Im prescribed a compounded Test cyp that is 210mg/ml. This yields me a 1300-1400 level.

 

[EQ Kimball]

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I run his Tren A because I dont experience sides with the short ester, and im not willing to be a test subject to find out if ill have sides on long ester. If you experience sides and discontinue use its going to take time to clear. I understand sides can be more pronounced on long ester. If you can pin at least e.o.d short ester I think is best.

If you go long ester start a little lower and build up. I think some people hype the sides up but its serious if you experience them. Also a big thing to consider with tren is your personality type. There is a possibility of moderate to extreme aggression or rage. Oddly enough it seems to mellow me out except for my mouth. Ill say shit and be like did I just fucking say that.

The 1 gram of test and deca have me doing that shit already - I'm just going to have to stay mindful - in my job snapping is not an option. Any effects on memory or critical thinking? Deca has my memory a little fucked , but before the deca the joint pain was to much to handle - hopefully it dosn't come roaring back.

I wish in NJ it wasn't such a fucking pain in the balls to get bloods - every blood requires a prescription. Would love to get more than the typical pre-intra-post bloods but even getting those is becoming close to impossible.

Just want to say I really appreciate the time you're taking to give me advice , you are definitely helping me out big time brother.

 

[EQ Kimball]

How much time down are you planning to put between these? I think your biggest problem will be myostatin. Its going to take you at bare minimum probably 6 weeks for that to return to baseline. You can cruise on a TRT dose during this time but that will be your killer.

Have you heard of YK11 for myostatin?

 

[ICD-HardThings]

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The 1 gram of test and deca have me doing that shit already - I'm just going to have to stay mindful - in my job snapping is not an option. Any effects on memory or critical thinking? Deca has my memory a little fucked , but before the deca the joint pain was to much to handle - hopefully it dosn't come roaring back.

I wish in NJ it wasn't such a fucking pain in the balls to get bloods - every blood requires a prescription. Would love to get more than the typical pre-intra-post bloods but even getting those is becoming close to impossible.

Just want to say I really appreciate the time you're taking to give me advice , you are definitely helping me out big time brother.

Helping is the most important part of this forum. I run mast along with my tren and do notice the increased well being feeling. Havent noticed any memory or cognition issues. Im currently going to college time and a half summer school and memory is fine. Ive heard of yk11 havs 0 knowledge of it. What I do know about most sarms distributors is they are fake.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Hey fellas

3rd blast coming up and I have some questions for the collective experienced members of this community.

Current Stats and gear running:
24 Y.O - 3rd Cycle - 257lbs - 6'3 - This Deca bulk is fattening me up and i'm around 15% BF (estimation).
I'm currently running:
1g Test Enth
625mgs Deca
400mg Mast E

I have roughly 6 weeks left on this blast but I want to do a back to back blast. I understand the risks of this and am open to suggestions and advice but my plan is as followed:

Finish up Test/Deca/Tren blast - cruise for a couple weeks of 500mg test (which I wish I could skip all together) and then blast my first tren cycle with the goal of Recomp to get down to ~11%.

16 week blast:
600mg Tren E 1-16
625mg Test E 1-16
75mg Anavar 8-16 (not sure if I should do 1-8 or use it as a finisher)
12.5 Asin EOD
500mg B6 time release
Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off 160mcg daily
Prami on deck just in case

I want to hear some opinions.

Paging @kendallkmw @Roger rabbit or anyother guy with experience!

I think everyone has done what you are thinking of doing at some point.

Sounds great on paper but I don’t feel like you will be happy with the results.

The extra stress you are going to put your body through for limited returns is kinda wreck less at best, borderline addiction.

You don’t need the tren and other stuff for your “recomp” you need disclipine and nutrition to lose weight.

I don’t support the second cycle so soon. You have many years ahead of you, let the body reset, drop down to cruise if you don’t plan to pct and come off, but zero sense in doing what you are proposing.

 

[Shyster]

Like @kendallkmw said, 16 weeks is pushing far too long on tren bro. 8 to 10 is perfect maybe even 12 if you up the dose after week 8 IMO. Tren is a different beast dude, incredible compound but definitely harsh on your body. Also, i would recommend the short ester as well, you don’t know how you’re going to respond on tren and if shit goes down and the sides become intolerable, it’s going to take you that much longer to clear it out of your system. Tren ace EOD is fine bro.

Also, after your blast your on now, take some time off bro, give your body a break brother. We all want it NOW, I understand but I would come back down to cruise level doses for at least a couple months. Cruise dose is not 500 a week, I’m talking 200-250. As long as your diet is in check and you don’t slack on training you shouldn’t lose but maybe a small amount of muscle, if any.

Get bloodwork done too, I believe the first thread/sticky in the lab testing sub forum has people from NJ who figured out a way to do this since it’s difficult to get em done where you live. I’ll see if I can find it and link it

 

[Shyster]

Damn @Roger rabbit beat me to it. Sound advice @EQ Kimball,

 

[Shyster]

Check out The steroid lab testing sub forum, the basics of ordering bloodwork, it’s right there on the first page how people get bloodwork done in Jersey. Bloodwork is your best friend in this game brother, find ways to get it done

 

[EQ Kimball]

Wow, I know you guys are correct but until I saw how similiar your opinions were posted basically at the same time shows me its general consensus that my original idea is terribly skewed towards a negative risk reward. I appreciate you dropping the "addiction" word on me @Roger rabbit , is definitely a loaded term for me and brought me down to reality. Now what do you fellas believe would be a sufficient trt dose and schedule leading up to the tren blast. I will be lowering the duration of the blast to 10-11 weeks and delaying the start.

Is 300mgs of test e which I believe is testing around 90% so in reality 270mgs (sas needs to post better raw tests and update them per batch) a week for say... 7 weeks sufficient?

I appreciate you guys not being assholes and helping me out even though i'm coming across as an amatuer. I jave bloods scheduled via my doctor at end of this blast but he's getting fed up with it - he isnt a big fan of AAS.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Wow, I know you guys are correct but until I saw how similiar your opinions were posted basically at the same time shows me its general consensus that my original idea is terribly skewed towards a negative risk reward. I appreciate you dropping the "addiction" word on me @Roger rabbit , is definitely a loaded term for me and brought me down to reality. Now what do you fellas believe would be a sufficient trt dose and schedule leading up to the tren blast. I will be lowering the duration of the blast to 10-11 weeks and delaying the start.

Is 300mgs of test e which I believe is testing around 90% so in reality 270mgs (sas needs to post better raw tests and update them per batch) a week for say... 7 weeks sufficient?

I appreciate you guys not being assholes and helping me out even though i'm coming across as an amatuer. I jave bloods scheduled via my doctor at end of this blast but he's getting fed up with it - he isnt a big fan of AAS.

We are here to help brother man[emoji106]

The best practice is time on = time off.

But I would say if you are cruising then your plan of 250-300mg is fine.

I would stay off a minimum of 8 weeks, but like I said the best practice is time on = time off.

Then after your next blast take the full time off and cruise or pct as the actual blast if you choose the minimum of 8 weeks brother.

 

[ironwill1951]

the idea of cruising is to bring your test levels to within the normal range. which for most is less than 200mg a
week get bloods and go from their I think your bloods will show you that 300 mg a week is a cycle.
a gram of test a week for a 24 yr old is crazy. overkill.

 

[EQ Kimball]

the idea of cruising is to bring your test levels to within the normal range. which for most is less than 200mg a
week get bloods and go from their I think your bloods will show you that 300 mg a week is a cycle.
a gram of test a week for a 24 yr old is crazy. overkill.

My pre cycle bloods showed that I have low T. What should my levels be at the cruise? I dont want them back down to pre cycle levels because that was abnormally low.

 

[EQ Kimball]

the idea of cruising is to bring your test levels to within the normal range. which for most is less than 200mg a
week get bloods and go from their I think your bloods will show you that 300 mg a week is a cycle.
a gram of test a week for a 24 yr old is crazy. overkill.

Years and years of opiate abuse as a pubescent teen and into adulthood really fucked up my test levels even after years of sobriety.