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Tren E vs Tren A
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bodybuilder805
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I like ace better, get way less sides.
bodybuilder805
New Member
I'm thinking less sides were a result from more stable bloods. Don't know but I seem to always get less sides from ace.
MANWHORE
Subscriber
More stable blood is what you want...
Tren E 2X/week should do it...
I picked Sunday and Thurs...
Then I added in Wed... ummm and Monday
cause... Well, I forget why but seemed like
a good idea...
I think I took Sat off, though ..
I can't be trusted with Tren.. It's like trusting
a crack whore with Crack and Virginity ...
Tren E 2X/week should do it...
I picked Sunday and Thurs...
Then I added in Wed... ummm and Monday
cause... Well, I forget why but seemed like
a good idea...
I think I took Sat off, though ..
I can't be trusted with Tren.. It's like trusting
a crack whore with Crack and Virginity ...
bodybuilder805
New Member
Have you tried more tren less test?
MANWHORE
Subscriber
Is that you and your car, in pic?
Sworder
Member
Ace/enanthate is just a way to deliver the tren, I like enanthate more because I don't have to inject too often. You get equal results if you administer the enanthate/acetate in equipotent doses.
bodybuilder805
New Member
^^^ This is true but with tren a one would get much more stable bloods which in turn would yield less sides.
Tren A is way better, Think of it like Deca. what that shit is active for 9+ mo... Thats why Tren E has sides that Linger.
MANWHORE
Subscriber
Stable blood level comes with dosing schedule,
it doesn't matter which ester is used...
Tren A Half-Life is 1day, Tren E is 5days..
Now take 2X week Tren E as opposed to
1X/day Tren A...
Your hitting the A on the Half-Life but the
E before the Half-Life..
This is better IMO...
I don't see a variable blood level being the
cause of more sides.
More Tren in the E dosing schedule is going to
give more sides, than the A schedule, only because
there is more Tren in the blood. ...
Again, IMO
I feel the Tren E within a week anyway, plus
less shooting, which is why I like the E...
Stretch
Subscriber
Now, what exactly makes u guys think a short ester leads to more stable blood levels??
I never flame....but that idea is preposterous.
We need to be more careful when posting. Posts like the above make it SOOO difficult for noobs to learn anything, we are constantly contradicting eachother with our "guesses" or by parroting information we heard from a guy at the gym.
If I am wrong and someone has a scientific, medical study showing a short ester leading to more stable blood levels, and thereby fewer sides I would love to see it.
@manwhore: stable blood levels do lead to fewer sides. This is a point I have never seen argued, as it makes logical sense. However, if there is a study that leads you to believe otherwise....please post it. BTW Love ur posts...ur a funny mofo
I never flame....but that idea is preposterous.
We need to be more careful when posting. Posts like the above make it SOOO difficult for noobs to learn anything, we are constantly contradicting eachother with our "guesses" or by parroting information we heard from a guy at the gym.
If I am wrong and someone has a scientific, medical study showing a short ester leading to more stable blood levels, and thereby fewer sides I would love to see it.
@manwhore: stable blood levels do lead to fewer sides. This is a point I have never seen argued, as it makes logical sense. However, if there is a study that leads you to believe otherwise....please post it. BTW Love ur posts...ur a funny mofo
Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Nandrolone Esters in Oil Vehicle: Effects of Ester, Injection Site and Injection
Abstract
We studied healthy men who underwent blood sampling for plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin measurements before and for 32 days after a single i.m. injection of 100 mg of nandrolone ester in arachis oil. Twenty-three men were randomized into groups receiving nandrolone phenylpropionate (group 1, n = 7) or nandrolone decanoate (group 2, n = 6) injected into the gluteal muscle in 4 ml of arachis oil vehicle or nandrolone decanoate in 1 ml of arachis oil vehicle injected into either the gluteal (group 3, n = 5) or deltoid (group 4,n = 5) muscles. Plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin concentrations were analyzed by a mixed-effects indirect response model. Plasma nandrolone concentrations were influenced (P < .001) by different esters and injection sites, with higher and earlier peaks with the phenylpropionate ester, compared with the decanoate ester. After nandrolone decanoate injection, the highest bioavailability and peak nandrolone levels were observed with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma testosterone concentrations were also influenced (P < .001) by the ester and injection site, with the most rapid, but briefest, suppression being due to the phenylpropionate ester, whereas the most sustained suppression was achieved with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma inhibin concentrations were also significantly influenced by injection volume and site, with the lowest nadir occurring after the nandrolone decanoate 1-ml gluteal injection. Thus, the bioavailability and physiological effects of a nandrolone ester in an oil vehicle are greatest when the ester is injected in a small (1 ml vs. 4 ml) volume and into the glutealvs. deltoid muscle. We conclude that the side-chain ester and the injection site and volume influence the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone esters in an oil vehicle in men.
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Side effects are NOT necessarily the result of VARIABLE blood levels.
Most side effects occur because blood levels exceed the therapeutic index for a particular drug class.
For instance, each time a drugs concentration exceeds it's "therapeutic concentration" sides are more likely to occur.
Excluding AAS this commonly observed with a variety of drugs such as; anti-hypertensives, antibiotics, antidepressants, analgesics etc.
Consequently shorter acting esters, because their constituent anabolic is released over a shorter "burst" course, one day for Tren-A, supra-therapeutic levels are more readily achievable, albeit only briefly.
This contrasts with Tren-E where more controlled release and metabolism occurs over time, roughly five days in this instance.
Nevertheless these "ester" influences are minor contributors to the unwanted effects of AAS, since the MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR directly responsible for a drugs "toxicity" OR "adverse effects" is the DOSAGE USED over a course of time.
(This assumes; limited "inherent toxicity", similar volumes of distribution, fixed constants such as; fractional excretion, metabolic degradation, dissociation, etc)
Therefore, because compliance is directly proportional to a drugs dosing interval (for essentially all drugs) and since for most noobs the dictum "more is better" rules, I personally prefer the longer acting esters whenever possible.
(Obviously utilizing a longer ester may not be optimal management in certain circumstances such as prior to PCT)
JIM
Most side effects occur because blood levels exceed the therapeutic index for a particular drug class.
For instance, each time a drugs concentration exceeds it's "therapeutic concentration" sides are more likely to occur.
Excluding AAS this commonly observed with a variety of drugs such as; anti-hypertensives, antibiotics, antidepressants, analgesics etc.
Consequently shorter acting esters, because their constituent anabolic is released over a shorter "burst" course, one day for Tren-A, supra-therapeutic levels are more readily achievable, albeit only briefly.
This contrasts with Tren-E where more controlled release and metabolism occurs over time, roughly five days in this instance.
Nevertheless these "ester" influences are minor contributors to the unwanted effects of AAS, since the MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR directly responsible for a drugs "toxicity" OR "adverse effects" is the DOSAGE USED over a course of time.
(This assumes; limited "inherent toxicity", similar volumes of distribution, fixed constants such as; fractional excretion, metabolic degradation, dissociation, etc)
Therefore, because compliance is directly proportional to a drugs dosing interval (for essentially all drugs) and since for most noobs the dictum "more is better" rules, I personally prefer the longer acting esters whenever possible.
(Obviously utilizing a longer ester may not be optimal management in certain circumstances such as prior to PCT)
JIM
I know this super old post but was just reading threw it tren ace actually last up to 3 days but I wouldn't do less then eod I do every day on tren ace. But ace last a little longer then one day bro.Stable blood level comes with dosing schedule,
it doesn't matter which ester is used...
Tren A Half-Life is 1day, Tren E is 5days..
Now take 2X week Tren E as opposed to
1X/day Tren A...
Your hitting the A on the Half-Life but the
E before the Half-Life..
This is better IMO...
I don't see a variable blood level being the
cause of more sides.
More Tren in the E dosing schedule is going to
give more sides, than the A schedule, only because
there is more Tren in the blood. ...
Again, IMO
I feel the Tren E within a week anyway, plus
less shooting, which is why I like the E...
Tren-E for me.
I like the less pinning.
I view A as more contest prep and more control for sides/Dosage. If you have a bad night you only have 2 max nights with bad sides. When you are running E you are committed to that dose. So if you start too high you just can't cut it down after a bad night. You gotta stick to it for a week.
I just start out low and slowly work up my dose so I'm not overly affected by the sides.
I like the less pinning.
I view A as more contest prep and more control for sides/Dosage. If you have a bad night you only have 2 max nights with bad sides. When you are running E you are committed to that dose. So if you start too high you just can't cut it down after a bad night. You gotta stick to it for a week.
I just start out low and slowly work up my dose so I'm not overly affected by the sides.
WannaBeBIG
Well-known Member
I think i might try tren e my next blast. Ive been pinning 50mg ace ED without any sides. 4 weeks into my 8 week cycle and i have to say pinning ED does get a little old unless i pin slow with a 30g 1incher
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