Troches in addition to Clomid

[furjaw]

I am a 72 year old on clomid, 50 mg, Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. My total testosterone is up to 769. But my problem is weak orgasms. I was able to borrow a little topical testosterone and it solved the problem nicely. But you have to apply it a few hours ahead of time, with the troches it is only 10 minutes to peak. I requested a prescription for sublingual testosterone troches, for use before sex only, in addition to the clomiphene citrate.
My doctor responded “Do you have some references I could review regarding the clomid use and troches so that I have a better understanding of the risks and benefits?”
I saw somewhere on the internet where a doctor said that the troches were very effective for use before sex, but now I can’t find it. And it seems to me that he was advocating the troches as an addition to the clomiphene citrate. Can anybody help me with the link? The only thing that I came up with was a posting where somebody said, “My doc said he doesn't have much experience with troches but he is always attending anti-aging conferences and one of the doctors was recommending troches before sex.”

 

[zkt]

You could get a similar effect by taking a small drop of the gel sublingually.
Could also "roll your own troches" with a little kitchen skills.

 

[James23]

I have never, ever seen any study that shoes troches have any benefits related to sex.

Crisler's practice offers them, but you'll find zero support or positive anecdotal reports on the boards. He uses them for the days prior to injection, where T has presumably dropped in patients that use esterified testosterone injections. In those cases, and only those cases, would it fill the gap for about a hour (and thus would assist with sex on those days.)

I have 30 compounded 50 mg troches, and the effect is unnoticeable.

 

[zkt]

All that I can offer is my subjective observation that it perks me up at the appropriate time. Perhaps on the unresponsive cases the globulins arent sufficiently saturated and the free T is gobbled up befor AR binding can occur.

I have never, ever seen any study that shoes troches have any benefits related to sex.

Crisler's practice offers them, but you'll find zero support or positive anecdotal reports on the boards. He uses them for the days prior to injection, where T has presumably dropped in patients that use esterified testosterone injections. In those cases, and only those cases, would it fill the gap for about a hour (and thus would assist with sex on those days.)

I have 30 compounded 50 mg troches, and the effect is unnoticeable.

 

[LW64]

What's interesting is that there will very likely be some oral transfer when using SL T this way. A low dose of SL T for the ladies could be a very good thing!

(Note to self)

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Any use of exogenous AAS, including testosterone troche, will decrease or even prevent SERM effect. In other words, the T might be quite a bit lower!

 

[LW64]

I think he should drop the clomid and go on T gel.

What's the point of boosting T with clomid if it doesnt help you when you really need it?

 

[James23]

What's interesting is that there will very likely be some oral transfer when using SL T this way. A low dose of SL T for the ladies could be a very good thing!

(Note to self)

I don't think this is true. SL T has been shown in studies to exert no effect. The observed effect is that women were shown to have ranked men more attractive (on a scale from 1-10) but 4 hours after SL T.