Trouble determine dose for 3rd cycle

Mcfly1010

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Hello all I’m a lurker and decided to step out of the shadows because I need some insight on dosing my third cycle.

My first cycle was test prop 500mg a week for 12 weeks with minor sides and good recovery. I ended up bumping it to 700mg for the last two weeks. On cycle I only used an ai at 12.5mg eod (minimal bloat but I did piss out a ton of water after my cycle) and pct only involved Nolva. I don’t have the exact dose on hand but I think it was 40/20/20/20 or 10.

My second cycle was 350mg of test prop and Tren Ace a week and 50-80mg of Anavar ed for 8 weeks. I thought to dose tren and test the same for a baseline given the conflicting comments I read on which to dose higher and lower. The cycle went well except for bloating and lethargy around week four. I ran the same ai dose at 12.5mg eod until I started bloating and jumped it up to 25mg eod which helped a little (feet were mad swollen). I also used HCG at 500iu e3d for the last half of the cycle and .25mg of caber e3d for whole cycle. I recovered better after this cycle than the first - again I only used nolva. I started around 180 and went up to 208 at the end of the cycle and down to 192 after pct. i carried a lot of water even though my test dose was lower than my first cycle and tren shouldnt cause any water retention. My worst sides on this cycle were the bloat, the lethargy I never resolved, and pumps in bjj from the Anavar (I added taurine later on which helped). Also had a strange pump/tightness in my back around the kidney area which was also relieved by the taurine.

For this third cycle I want to run tren and test again and cut out the Anavar (can’t bjj on pumps that hard). Based on how I responded on the first and second cycle, I was thinking of 500mg test prop and 200mg of Tren Ace per week. I was also going run hcg at 250iu e3d throughout the 8 weeks. I’m going to keep the ai at 12.5 and the caber at .25 and adjust if necessary. I’m also gonna have T3 on hand to see if that helps with the lethargy.

However I’ve also read that higher tren and lower test reduces the sides, better for the tren as it’s not competing for receptors (bro science?), and less aromatizing of test since there’s less. so I’m on the fence of whether to do it this way or not. If I were to do it this way I would run tren at 400mg/wk and test at 200mg/wk.

Or I could always just dose the same as my second cycle and try and combat the sides better instead of altering the dosage.

I unfortunately didn’t get blood work done during my last cycle but given my cycle history and my bodies response do you think it’s better to try out high test and low tren rather than high tren and low test?
 
I ran Tren 400mg and test at 100mg and didn’t really get much sides. I got hot as hell when I ate carbs and my wife said I was more of an ass than usual lol. But that’s really it.

I haven’t tried it with higher test so I can’t compare. But it went great with low test. I did it as a recomp. I also want to try Tren on a cut and a bulk down the road.
 
Hello all I’m a lurker and decided to step out of the shadows because I need some insight on dosing my third cycle.

My first cycle was test prop 500mg a week for 12 weeks with minor sides and good recovery. I ended up bumping it to 700mg for the last two weeks. On cycle I only used an ai at 12.5mg eod (minimal bloat but I did piss out a ton of water after my cycle) and pct only involved Nolva. I don’t have the exact dose on hand but I think it was 40/20/20/20 or 10.

My second cycle was 350mg of test prop and Tren Ace a week and 50-80mg of Anavar ed for 8 weeks. I thought to dose tren and test the same for a baseline given the conflicting comments I read on which to dose higher and lower. The cycle went well except for bloating and lethargy around week four. I ran the same ai dose at 12.5mg eod until I started bloating and jumped it up to 25mg eod which helped a little (feet were mad swollen). I also used HCG at 500iu e3d for the last half of the cycle and .25mg of caber e3d for whole cycle. I recovered better after this cycle than the first - again I only used nolva. I started around 180 and went up to 208 at the end of the cycle and down to 192 after pct. i carried a lot of water even though my test dose was lower than my first cycle and tren shouldnt cause any water retention. My worst sides on this cycle were the bloat, the lethargy I never resolved, and pumps in bjj from the Anavar (I added taurine later on which helped). Also had a strange pump/tightness in my back around the kidney area which was also relieved by the taurine.

For this third cycle I want to run tren and test again and cut out the Anavar (can’t bjj on pumps that hard). Based on how I responded on the first and second cycle, I was thinking of 500mg test prop and 200mg of Tren Ace per week. I was also going run hcg at 250iu e3d throughout the 8 weeks. I’m going to keep the ai at 12.5 and the caber at .25 and adjust if necessary. I’m also gonna have T3 on hand to see if that helps with the lethargy.

However I’ve also read that higher tren and lower test reduces the sides, better for the tren as it’s not competing for receptors (bro science?), and less aromatizing of test since there’s less. so I’m on the fence of whether to do it this way or not. If I were to do it this way I would run tren at 400mg/wk and test at 200mg/wk.

Or I could always just dose the same as my second cycle and try and combat the sides better instead of altering the dosage.

I unfortunately didn’t get blood work done during my last cycle but given my cycle history and my bodies response do you think it’s better to try out high test and low tren rather than high tren and low test?

Stats that arent in the middle of a massive paragraph?

BF
Height
Macros

Sure, just jump on the Tren train.
Tren is obviously the best, it it's also hard on you .
 
I did highish tren 500-600 and test 300. No problem, the good night sweats and insomnia.

did the reverse tren 500 and test 800 my heart was going to explode. I couldnt handle it.

I THINK the high test and low tren should be ran like that. But its too anabolic for my own good.

so the low test and higher tren was better.

i wish I could run it. I think I may call it quits on tren for some time. It really changes my personality.
 
Stats that arent in the middle of a massive paragraph?

BF
Height
Macros

Sure, just jump on the Tren train.
Tren is obviously the best, it it's also hard on you .

6’
Between 15-18% (my last cycle was about a year and a half ago)
I really only count protein which falls between 150-175g on 2500 calories also I IF with one meal a day so it’s hard to get more than that.

I’ve been reading anecdotes that people have responded better to high tren and low test but for me I think the bloat and lethargy was a result of the tren since I had no real issues on the test only cycle so I’m hesitant.
 
6’
Between 15-18% (my last cycle was about a year and a half ago)
I really only count protein which falls between 150-175g on 2500 calories also I IF with one meal a day so it’s hard to get more than that.

I’ve been reading anecdotes that people have responded better to high tren and low test but for me I think the bloat and lethargy was a result of the tren since I had no real issues on the test only cycle so I’m hesitant.

So 6 foot
190
at 18 BF

Dont take this the wrong way,
But you still have some growing to do.
You're obviously doing something right, you kept a solid 10 lbs + of muscle after PCT, that's great!

Why not take it easy on your body?

Try 500 Test again, try to streamline your nutrition.
As anecdotal as it is, a friend of mine gained 20lbs of muscle his first run, he noticed he had flaws/gaps in his training and nutrition and believed he could have done better.

Why not throw some Mast into the mix?

You didnt like the bloat?
Try a drier compound with your Test base.

Maybe some Proviron ED.

For a really nice FEEL good cycle...

500 Test
200-300 Mast
Toss in an oral at the end like Adrol if you're doing well.

You'll make some nice clean gains, feel great and look great!

I just jumped back on the AAS train after 5 years off.
I'm 220 sub 15% BF and I still make awesome gains on nice easy stacks, best part... I feel like a million bucks while doing it.

Or you could run a fuck tonne of Tren, up to you
I'm just a guy on the internet lol.

You seem like a bright guy,
Good luck with whatever you decide brother.
 
@Mcfly1010

I'm going to have to take back my advice and second what silentlemon said. To be honest I saw your weight and was going off of someone my height (5'9) not 6 feet. Three inches doesn't sound like much but it is in my opinion. Should be able to get to a pretty lean 210 pounds at your height without tren. Save that for later. My apologies.
 
Htf do you do bjj on any amount of tren? 350mg gave me crippling pumps at work for 9 weeks straight, worst time of my life. Every second I didn't know how I was going to make it another second.
 
Htf do you do bjj on any amount of tren? 350mg gave me crippling pumps at work for 9 weeks straight, worst time of my life. Every second I didn't know how I was going to make it another second.
So why do you still continue to run it? It's obvious tren doesn't agree with you, so maybe its time to knock it on the head, boy.
 
So 6 foot
190
at 18 BF

Dont take this the wrong way,
But you still have some growing to do.
You're obviously doing something right, you kept a solid 10 lbs + of muscle after PCT, that's great!

Why not take it easy on your body?

Try 500 Test again, try to streamline your nutrition.
As anecdotal as it is, a friend of mine gained 20lbs of muscle his first run, he noticed he had flaws/gaps in his training and nutrition and believed he could have done better.

Why not throw some Mast into the mix?

You didnt like the bloat?
Try a drier compound with your Test base.

Maybe some Proviron ED.

For a really nice FEEL good cycle...

500 Test
200-300 Mast
Toss in an oral at the end like Adrol if you're doing well.

You'll make some nice clean gains, feel great and look great!

I just jumped back on the AAS train after 5 years off.
I'm 220 sub 15% BF and I still make awesome gains on nice easy stacks, best part... I feel like a million bucks while doing it.

Or you could run a fuck tonne of Tren, up to you
I'm just a guy on the internet lol.

You seem like a bright guy,
Good luck with whatever you decide brother.

Appreciate the feedback. I will look into mast and proviron. My reason for test/tren was twofold. One, my goal this time was to recomp rather than a bulk or cut. And two, I had tren and test raws left from my last cycle (I home brewed). However, I am pretty sure I need to order new raws as the tren started to oxidize—it’s no longer yellow and more orangeish. I wasn’t expecting to go so long before my third cycle so I only stored it air tight in a cool dark place.

Given that, I’m open to other compounds.
 
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