Trying not to do the nube shuffle.

[The ole man]

Not a bad idea at all. It's not abnormal to be asking about it at your age anyways... Hell, you may end up going to TRT at the end of this. Then the fun really begins.

That mix that you have would make a decent second cycle BTW, and it would be good for cutting/recomp goals, so don't feel like you wasted your money or anything. Just need more of it.

You got PCT covered?

I got liquid Tamoxifen. And I got arimidex..
I already take hawthorne berries, NAC, omega 3, and glucosamine daily...

 

[Spooby]

You keep using the word "research"... I don't think you understand what that is from what you have gathered so far for yourself... it seems that what you have done right, out of luck, was to come to a more transparent board, not so much implicative but promotional of a more scientific atmosphere.

I highly advise you not to take anything from an underground laboratory, chem site, SARM, or prohormone. Talk to your doctor about TRT, and spend at least a year on this board asking questions and browsing with the search function. I don't mean this in a rude way but I would not trust your reasoning skills or methods to find answers to your questions at this time.

Out of a web of reasons, no one should suggest to you to use gear out of concern for your own safety given what little anyone knows about you anyway, and that you should get adjusted to TRT first since you're old enough, speak with your doctor about the tests and getting put on it.

Get a feel for that while you learn on here. You have no idea what you're getting into, trust me for it's worth. You're very likely to fuck yourself up if you don't listen. Just friendly advice, you seem very innocent.

 

[The ole man]

You keep using the word "research"... I don't think you understand what that is from what you have gathered so far for yourself... it seems that what you have done right, out of luck, was to come to a more transparent board, not so much implicative but promotional of a more scientific atmosphere.

I highly advise you not to take anything from an underground laboratory, chem site, SARM, or prohormone. Talk to your doctor about TRT, and spend at least a year on this board asking questions and browsing with the search function. I don't mean this in a rude way but I would not trust your reasoning skills or methods to find answers to your questions at this time.

Out of a web of reasons, no one should suggest to you to use gear out of concern for your own safety given what little anyone knows about you anyway, and that you should get adjusted to TRT first since you're old enough, speak with your doctor about the tests and getting put on it.

Get a feel for that while you learn on here. You have no idea what you're getting into, trust me for it's worth. You're very likely to fuck yourself up if you don't listen. Just friendly advice, you seem very innocent.

Listen I am a member of plenty of sites, including a moderator of one.. I am fully aware of the members that preach doom and gloom. They are the only ones smart enough to proceed with this. How many times was you told that? If you see where I am making errors, then provide answers.. I dont need Jesus, or a sermon, im fully aware of the implications. Its not something I take lightly. That is why Im here posting and asking questions.
So if we can move on to,
HE IS DOING THIS,,,,
And WTF might I be able to add to contribute to his success...
I would be very appreciative.
And we all are innocent online...
btw thanks for chiming in....

 

[The ole man]

But I will heed your advice and speak to my Dr about trt therapy!
That seems to be intelligent thinking..

 

[Spooby]

If you're jumping the gun, your test levels won't be in range for trt to begin with... it's one or the other in a way

 

[Spooby]

You'll have to tell your doctor you're administering black market testosterone and then ask them for prescription and monitoring, which I'm sure wouldn't go well.

 

[The ole man]

I would pin 400-500 per week. My first cycle was actually 600, so you could do that but it's not really necessary... 500 is a standard first timer run. If you feel more comfortable with 300, I'm not going to tell you you're stupid by any means... But I think you'll get a few weeks in and wish you had gone just a little higher.

So next thing I would do is start increasing your calories once you start pinning. If I were you, I'd plan on gaining muscle tissue on this cycle. Let the testosterone do its job. Once you're off... Try to maintain that new muscle and then after a while you can reverse course and peel off that bodyfat you want rid of. Trying to recomp is going to get you into a complicated circle of not getting the most out of everything. Try a recomp down the road, take this first cycle as a learning experience.

Did you get your blood work yet?

So I got 2 vials of Test E 300... At 600 per week, what did you use for AI, and PCT?

 

[Eman]

So I got 2 vials of Test E 300... At 600 per week, what did you use for AI, and PCT?

Use an AI if you get symptoms... It's user specific.

PCT is easily researched on the site. I can tell you what to take, but it'll benefit you more to research it yourself and figure out why you're taking it. Go read, come back and post it and I'll critique. That's how it works... No spoonfeeding.

 

[The ole man]

Use an AI if you get symptoms... It's user specific.

PCT is easily researched on the site. I can tell you what to take, but it'll benefit you more to research it yourself and figure out why you're taking it. Go read, come back and post it and I'll critique. That's how it works... No spoonfeeding.

Well I did... That is why I went with tamoxifen. I understand what it does and how it works. I understand what serms are.. I was just asking what YOUR fav pct... Also kinda making conversation...

nervermind.... I move on somewhere else where people dont think they are holding on to the holy grail of information..,.

 

[Eman]

Well I did... That is why I went with tamoxifen. I understand what it does and how it works. I understand what serms are.. I was just asking what YOUR fav pct... Also kinda making conversation...

nervermind.... I move on somewhere else where people dont think they are holding on to the holy grail of information..,.

I didn't say I was holding onto the holy grail of information and I don't really appreciate that statement, I've made a lot of posts in this thread with the sole intention of helping you. I continued to do that by telling you to post a pct protocol so I could critique it... And help you some more.

Pct protocol can vary, there are lots of right ways to do it and there are wrong ways too. If you think I'm holding onto the holy Grail of PCT protocols, then go to wherever that place may be that they'll hand you the info.

If you want to make conversation, I don't PCT. When I did, I used clomid and Nolva and ran hCG throughout my cycle. Dosages varied.

 

[macabremitch]

you come asking for advice and help so you don’t do “the nube shuffle” than insult some of the most knowledgeable folks on meso? why would anybody take the time to help if you have it all planned out already. you’re good you got your prohormones and your tamoxifen and your 1500 calories lean muscle meals not sure what else needs to be said.


you have no idea what you’re doing, best of luck.

 

[The ole man]

I didn't say I was holding onto the holy grail of information and I don't really appreciate that statement, I've made a lot of posts in this thread with the sole intention of helping you. I continued to do that by telling you to post a pct protocol so I could critique it... And help you some more.

Pct protocol can vary, there are lots of right ways to do it and there are wrong ways too. If you think I'm holding onto the holy Grail of PCT protocols, then go to wherever that place may be that they'll hand you the info.

If you want to make conversation, I don't PCT. When I did, I used clomid and Nolva and ran hCG throughout my cycle. Dosages varied.

I know my response sounded harsh, and Im appreciative that you responded with a level of maturity.
Well I went from the guy above telling me im not capable of making rash decisions and my use of the word, research, doesnt fit his webster definition. Then you said spoonfed...
The thing is, I have read quite a bit.. There is a lot to read..
Im putting in my work!
I teach wounded warriors to cancer patients how to grow there own medicine, and I just couldnt imagine not helping them in any way I can.. I mean Im the first one to admit there is sooo much info out there, and its not all right..
I would hate for them to hurt themselves or someone else.
Esp when they try to make there own edibles...
And I always see people trying to act like legends in there own mind, and want to down talk that person.

And I think you know what I mean and where im coming from. Just from your response, I can tell you are pretty intelligent person...
So I do apologize for my slightly rebellious attitude

So just from talking to you last night, I studied esters and there role, and how that changes the delivery.
And I had been reading about hCG
And I already got Nolva in my medicine cabinet.
It was the first thing I sourced.

 

[The ole man]

you come asking for advice and help so you don’t do “the nube shuffle” than insult some of the most knowledgeable folks on meso? why would anybody take the time to help if you have it all planned out already. you’re good you got your prohormones and your tamoxifen and your 1500 calories lean muscle meals not sure what else needs to be said.


you have no idea what you’re doing, best of luck.

I did not insult.. And Im sorry that I dont have your level of experience with aas.. And lastly if you read the dates you will see the prohormones were last year... You see this all the time on these boards ok, and you know it.. I read many of these threads where someone pops in and says negative shit...

Now if you want to talk about why clomid would be better than Nolva, or something along them lines, then lets talk.. But im not here to be the new whipping boy!

Now I would much rather we move forward now... Im sure not here to argue on a damn thread..

 

[The ole man]

I know my response sounded harsh, and Im appreciative that you responded with a level of maturity.
Well I went from the guy above telling me im not capable of making rash decisions and my use of the word, research, doesnt fit his webster definition. Then you said spoonfed...
The thing is, I have read quite a bit.. There is a lot to read..
Im putting in my work!
I teach wounded warriors to cancer patients how to grow there own medicine, and I just couldnt imagine not helping them in any way I can.. I mean Im the first one to admit there is sooo much info out there, and its not all right..
I would hate for them to hurt themselves or someone else.
Esp when they try to make there own edibles...
And I always see people trying to act like legends in there own mind, and want to down talk that person.

And I think you know what I mean and where im coming from. Just from your response, I can tell you are pretty intelligent person...
So I do apologize for my slightly rebellious attitude

So just from talking to you last night, I studied esters and there role, and how that changes the delivery.
And I had been reading about hCG
And I already got Nolva in my medicine cabinet.
It was the first thing I sourced.

And then another one... Negative...

 

[Eman]

I know my response sounded harsh, and Im appreciative that you responded with a level of maturity.
Well I went from the guy above telling me im not capable of making rash decisions and my use of the word, research, doesnt fit his webster definition. Then you said spoonfed...
The thing is, I have read quite a bit.. There is a lot to read..
Im putting in my work!
I teach wounded warriors to cancer patients how to grow there own medicine, and I just couldnt imagine not helping them in any way I can.. I mean Im the first one to admit there is sooo much info out there, and its not all right..
I would hate for them to hurt themselves or someone else.
Esp when they try to make there own edibles...
And I always see people trying to act like legends in there own mind, and want to down talk that person.

And I think you know what I mean and where im coming from. Just from your response, I can tell you are pretty intelligent person...
So I do apologize for my slightly rebellious attitude

So just from talking to you last night, I studied esters and there role, and how that changes the delivery.
And I had been reading about hCG
And I already got Nolva in my medicine cabinet.
It was the first thing I sourced.

I am not a legend in my own mind. I'm a humble person with an above average understanding of AAS and I spend a significant portion of my time helping people I've never met for nothing in return.

Whether you realized it or not, I was just trying to give you help by telling to do some research and to post a pct protocol, or your whole cycle outline, for me to critique for you. I feel this is a superior way of helping because you'll take more away from it... And if you run into trouble, you'll have the knowledge to know how to help yourself and not rely on others help you figure out how to help you.

Feel free to post your cycle outline, I'll be happy to tell you what I would adjust.

 

[Eman]

So just from talking to you last night, I studied esters and there role, and how that changes the delivery.

Take a look at steroidcalc.com. It's a great tool to help paint a picture of what's going on with esters.

 

[The ole man]

I am not a legend in my own mind. I'm a humble person with an above average understanding of AAS and I spend a significant portion of my time helping people I've never met for nothing in return.

Whether you realized it or not, I was just trying to give you help by telling to do some research and to post a pct protocol, or your whole cycle outline, for me to critique for you. I feel this is a superior way of helping because you'll take more away from it... And if you run into trouble, you'll have the knowledge to know how to help yourself and not rely on others help you figure out how to help you.

Feel free to post your cycle outline, I'll be happy to tell you what I would adjust.

Thank you! Im gonna call it a night tonight.. We had a long day at work and somehow I got a knot in my shoulder that is killing me.. One of my workout buddies recommended getting a foam roller, so I might try that.. They said that is part of getting old, guess im not ready... Anyway I will post up the cycle tomm and let you critique that... Cause really thats all I wanted... plus maybe some diet pointers for a cycle....
Anyway i post up tomm night

 

[The ole man]

So I didnt get home till now... So I get that cycle posted at least by this weekend...
Could use some advice, kinda on another level tho..
My shoulders, my delts specifically are just burning when i Put them under heavy load... Esp if I go 5 rep max on say bench.
What do you guys use for achy joints?

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Well I did... That is why I went with tamoxifen. I understand what it does and how it works. I understand what serms are.. I was just asking what YOUR fav pct... Also kinda making conversation...

nervermind.... I move on somewhere else where people dont think they are holding on to the holy grail of information..,.

For a guy that’s supposed to be 46 you have the patience of a 17 year old. Ironic hu?

So you’re cordial as long as people speak in agreeing terms with you but the moment someone tells you you’re off track you’re ready to jump ship and trash this place.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

So I didnt get home till now... So I get that cycle posted at least by this weekend...
Could use some advice, kinda on another level tho..
My shoulders, my delts specifically are just burning when i Put them under heavy load... Esp if I go 5 rep max on say bench.
What do you guys use for achy joints?

You’re probably developing or already have
bicep tendonitis. Drop the weight and correct your form. But you’ll probably find something insulting in that bit of information and you won’t heed the advice.