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Trying to make my own BAC water
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Pez'sAnabolicJunta
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0.9% benzyl alcohol added to good old distilled water and filtered thru a 0.2 micron sterile filter will give you what you want.
Poro size can be 0.45mm?
LoremIpsum9921
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I just bought some years ago a bottle of pure benzyl alcohol (chem supplies).I mix it every couple of months with 100ml medical grade saline water for injections. For that I just add 0.9 ml benzyl alcohol to the water (correctly you would remove 0.9 ml of water and than add 0.9 ml of alcohol to it)
No need for filtration or anything, since the water is already sterile and there's nothing growing in pure benzyl alcohol.
I never had an infection with it.
No need for filtration or anything, since the water is already sterile and there's nothing growing in pure benzyl alcohol.
I never had an infection with it.
How long do you use that for. I think pharma says once punctured bac water is good for 30 days. Probably over cautious but not sure how long you'd want to use the same bottle?
Curious if you're in the states where you get your sterile water.
Photon
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What you want is water for injection (WFI) not sterile water. Add 1% BA to it and then filter .22um or .2um into sterile vials. Not .45 mentioned by the other poster. If you're in the us it should be relatively easy to get.
Sterile water contains pyrogens which cannot be filtered out.
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LoremIpsum9921
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I use it for some months. Sometimes 2, sometimes 5. No hard cutoff date. After a while the self healing injection port is quite damaged, then I'll trash it with the 70ml+ water left.
I also don't store the water in the fridge.
I'm not sure if there is any meaningful degradation happening, since
BAC water burns (for me) taken intranasally and even after 5 months it's still burning. In the worst case I'll have just sterile saline water left.
I'm from Germany, I just buy water for injections at an online pharmacy.
BigDadd7
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No. Use the .22
Photon
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To add on, if you can't get WFI, you can seek out pyrogen free sterile water. Also available in the US.
Im assuming you're injecting the 0.9% benzyl alcohol straight into the WFI bag?
LoremIpsum9921
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It's a 100 ml WFI glass bottle and 0.9 ml benzyl alcohol, but yes
dinfaralt
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you're not homebrewing steroidsIt's a 100 ml WFI glass bottle and 0.9 ml benzyl alcohol, but yes
once the vial is punctured bac water good for 30 days
have to work with smaller 10ml at a time assuming you're not using 100ml in 30 days or it will allow for bacterial growth
LoremIpsum9921
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First there will be no bacterial growth if u have sterile work environment for example with a laminar flow hood. Would be crazy if some steroid user is able to start new life from nothing. Also there is nothing magical happening if a vial is punctured, there not a countdown starting to run because some metal pierced through rubber.
Also how can bacteria grow in the water (in WIF not tap water), there are no resources to grow in. Bacteria can not build their proteins, cell membranes etc just from H2O, O2 and NaCL (let's assume the benzyl alcohol degraded fully and doesn't inhibit growth anymore).
I don't know where the 30 day rule comes from, but it's definitely bullshit.
It's a different topic for reconstituted peptides with mannitol as a filler, but also there if no contamination occurs nothing can start to growth.
Psy-chonaut
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I knew there were some 'germs' that thrive perfectly well in a much higher Vol. Environment.... Looked it up:
E. Coli & Bacillus cereus
E.Coli pretty common, so there are probably many more.
But then there are those super-bacteria, can't remember what they are called - but they are just nuts in what they are capable of surviving....
How they then devide, idk? but lov Vol. alcohol is not a problem for them...
dinfaralt
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if you're working in a gmp workplace forget what i said, from your messages i dont assume that.
say that to guidelines everywhere and phifzers label or the many studies. atleast do 5 minute research so you dont end up giving yourself an infection is all im trying to help you with or other people thats reading your message that wanna make cheap bac water.
make 10ml vials instead of 100ml if you're not using it within a month or two
the main point he dosent get is puncturing your vial introduces contaimanation and other germs. the bac dosent kill it but can hold it back for 30 days before the big pharma studies showed low level risk of infection and other issues. its 101 basic and super cheap just throw it out after 30 days
LoremIpsum9921
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I did not want to sound rude and I appreciate your concerns and that u want to help others not go get an infection
I don't work under GMP conditions and don't brew myself steroids, but I do have a laminar flow hood and I do have experience with controlling contaminations, since I'm into mycology and need to work under sterile conditions. Before I worked with a laminar flow hood, I rarely had contaminations with my liquid cultures and they contain 4 percent sugar, proteins and other stuff microorganisms can grow in. Just wiping everything with isopropanol and keeping everything clean worked quite well. I used some of my liquid cultures for months without a contamination. Of course rarely some contaminations happened, but it worked out quite well.
If that worked well, how should BAC water only last 30 days before the risk of contamination is too high?
I don't want to sound rude, but I'm just not sure about the rational of 30 days. The 30 day rule circulates around since years and I could not find convincing research about it.
30 days is just a nice number we can remember easily. If a month would have 40 days, we would have probably the 40 day rule. Drugs also have a expiration date, but we know that some of them are usable even decades later without much degradation.
Also one could puncture the vial 3 times over the course of 3 months or 5 times a week over 30 days. The second one would definitely have a higher risk of contamination and I would throw that vial out after some reconstitutions.
Microorganisms surely don't grow in pure bac water (there's no energy source, no nitrogen for amine synthesis etc), but they can stay dormant and contaminate future reconstitutions but the risk doesn't depend on time but the number of penetrations of the vial. So instead of talking of a 30 day rule, it would probably make more sense to talk about a X penetrations/reconstitutions rule.
Each penetration brings a risk to introduce some microbes into the BAC water.
Also 100 ml water for injection vials are easier to source for at my pharmacy than 10 ml vials. That's the main reason I use them.
dinfaralt
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30 days is just a warning so pharma dosent get in trouble for the first 30 days. the risk is probably astronimically little after 30 days.
but theres probably someone in here who is using only glp or another peptide and not using 100ml bac water within 1 year who will end up puncturing the same shit over and over again for a long time.
theres alot of new ppl on the forum who only know how to add bac water into their peptides xd so just a fyi for other people who dont have a laminar they're better off making smaller 10ml at a time
LoremIpsum9921
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You're right, for the the general public it makes sense to just have a 30 day rule.
The smallest pharma water for injections glass bottles (with a self healing rubber stopper) I can find in Germany are 50 ml big. The 10 ml ones are made out of plastic, don't have a self healing rubber stopper and are single use.
After I feel I pierced the rubber to often, I just throw the vial away and take another fresh bottle, put the correct amount of BA into it and use this. A 50 / 100 ml bottle of self made BAC cost me less than 2 euros per piece.
