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[Ateam2023]

Appreciated my dude. I do a lot of foam rolling for my back. My shoulder issue is more towards the front. Did you lay on roller face down or on your back? Its getting better, just very slowly. I get so amped up at the gym I will occasionally lose focus on form.

Never sacrifice form for anything, plus as you know im sure, mmc is the best way to truely target the muscle for maximum effect, it took me alot of years to figure this out , the tut approach is extremely effective and imo training without proper form is a recipe for "Injury",

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Appreciated my dude. I do a lot of foam rolling for my back. My shoulder issue is more towards the front. Did you lay on roller face down or on your back? Its getting better, just very slowly. I get so amped up at the gym I will occasionally lose focus on form.

I layed on the roller on my back, and then I did some left side rolling as well since that was the problem area

 

[AlteredAttitude]

Never sacrifice form for anything, plus as you know im sure, mmc is the best way to truely target the muscle for maximum effect, it took me alot of years to figure this out , the tut approach is extremely effective and imo training without proper form is a recipe for "Injury",

Thank you for input, super appreciated. Ive definitely been better about mmc and tut the last year but obviously not as good as it should be. I hear so much about the explosivity of the rep some of the caution gets thrown to the wind.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

kind of a random and unexpected turn / update for my cycle..
Just started 50mg of anavar daily split dosing today. (I will be doing 25mg in the morning / preworkout, and 25mg in the evening)

So now the cycle is
525mg/wk test cyp
50mg anavar (split dosing)
250iu HCG EOD
600-700mg L carnitine daily
10mg daily cialis
6mg reta every 6 days

If anyone has any words of advice / manageable expectations for me. I felt comfortable making this decision to add on Anavar because it will only be from today, until January 26th. So about 4.5 weeks of anavar. I think possibly if I don't notice an increased shed of hair, I will extend to 8 weeks if I feel like i'm really benefitting from it. Plan is to lower my surplus to around 200 calories, so I gain 0.5lb of scale weight a week. And since i'm 14-15% bodyfat right now I'd imagine I can still put on some good size (with ideally most of it being lean tissue) with anavar and the test cycle on board.

I felt same as usual today during my workout, if I felt anything I kind of brushed it off as placebo. I did take my first 25mg about 1.5 hours before my workout.
Today coincidentally was also the first workout in probably 10+ days where I didn't hit PR's (meaning increase in reps on my lifts) on any lifts. I'm trying to not let that get into my head. (We shouldn't be expecting increases in reps every workout, even on cycle, right?) If i'm wrong then obviously I need to work out what i'm doing wrong.

I'll be posting full 8 week before / after photos on Saturday. Plan to hold myself accountable and get some of your guys's eyeballs on it to see if i'm not seeing something I should be

 

[Turkeybuilder]

January 4th marks the end of week 8 and the start of week 9.

Week 1 average weight: 167.7lb (Previous week 165.3)
Week 2 average weight: 168.4lb (+0.7lb)
Week 3 average weight: 169.2lb (+0.8lb)
Week 4 average weight: 170.4lb (+1.2lb)
Week 5 average weight: 173.8lb (+3.4lb)
Week 6 average weight: 173.8lb (+0lb)
Week 7 average weight: 174.4lb (+0.6lb)
Week 8 average weight: 174.9lb (+0.5lb)

I don't know what's happening. I feel like absolute shit with 0 motivation and I think I'm holding a lot of water because it might not be reflective in this last week's weight average but right now this morning i'm 179lb and my calories have not moved at all from 2750-3000 lol

I'm going to assume my E2 is sky high and unfortunately I can't get it checked until next week. I don't know if I should just take 0.25mg arimidex every 3 days as a starter dose then when i draw labs next week and go from there. It's also possible my E2 is fine and i'm just getting sick. I wake up with a sore throat and stuffy as fuck, then it gets better throughout the day but the dull emotions and lack of motivation is consistent throughout the day. Lethargic in the mornings.

I think this all started when I started taking the anavar.. almost like the next day after starting it. Zero drive in the gym zero focus. Performance when i'm actually mid set is fine.

 

[dinfaralt]

I think this all started when I started taking the anavar

dont blame the anavar

you are running 525mg test with 0 ai.

check e2 and report back. only smart decisions. it takes a while for hormones to start rising and fucking you up and it also takes a while for them to normalize again afterwards. make decisions after bloodwork. 1 week is nothing in the big picture.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

dont blame the anavar

you are running 525mg test with 0 ai.

check e2 and report back. only smart decisions. it takes a while for hormones to start rising and fucking you up and it also takes a while for them to normalize again afterwards. make decisions after bloodwork. 1 week is nothing in the big picture.

Got it. so don't dose AI until we know for certain. hopefully things stabilize from here but truthfully it's so strange what i'm feeling. I can still train and when I do i'm making progress still in weight / reps, it's just I have to literally force myself to go and i'm just not mentally in it. whereas before all I would think about is my next lift and how I'm so amped and ready for my next workout. very weird flip in mental and energy levels

brain fog, lethargic, all of it

 

[dinfaralt]

Got it. so don't dose AI until we know for certain. hopefully things stabilize from here but truthfully it's so strange what i'm feeling. I can still train and when I do i'm making progress still in weight / reps, it's just I have to literally force myself to go and i'm just not mentally in it. whereas before all I would think about is my next lift and how I'm so amped and ready for my next workout. very weird flip in mental and energy levels

you learn the hard way.

everyone have went wrong using aas at some point, this is rather mild compared to other stuff. just do bloodwork and see what you can fix. sometimes the answer is in there sometimes it not. post your bloodwork so we can help you when its here.

im strictly for bloodwork atleast every 6 weeks and making small changes after bloodwork to avoid this, i've went wrong so many times and its awful.

you're shooting a target in the dark 500 meters away with a pistol without bloodwork.

and you're shooting him with a sniper with bloodwork.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

you learn the hard way.

everyone have went wrong using aas at some point, this is rather mild compared to other stuff. just do bloodwork and see what you can fix. sometimes the answer is in there sometimes it not. post your bloodwork so we can help you when its here.

im strictly for bloodwork atleast every 6 weeks and making small changes after bloodwork to avoid this, i've went wrong so many times and its awful.

you're shooting a target in the dark 500 meters away with a pistol without bloodwork.

and you're shooting him with a sniper with bloodwork.

I'll hold off on doing any changes until blood work then. you're right. thank you

 

[Cman90]

Got it. so don't dose AI until we know for certain. hopefully things stabilize from here but truthfully it's so strange what i'm feeling. I can still train and when I do i'm making progress still in weight / reps, it's just I have to literally force myself to go and i'm just not mentally in it. whereas before all I would think about is my next lift and how I'm so amped and ready for my next workout. very weird flip in mental and energy levels

brain fog, lethargic, all of it

I had this exact same experience with my first cycle of 400 T. Figured my e2 was sky high so took a couple doses of Aromasin with out getting blood work done and nuked my e2 (probably, still didn't have blood work). I felt way worse and had hot flashes.

Moral of the story: Always get blood work done before changing hormonal management protocol.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

I had this exact same experience with my first cycle of 400 T. Figured my e2 was sky high so took a couple doses of Aromasin with out getting blood work done and nuked my e2 (probably, still didn't have blood work). I felt way worse and had hot flashes.

Moral of the story: Always get blood work done before changing hormonal management protocol.

thanks for this. definitely a good reminder not to be an idiot and over react to something lol i think if i hadn't mentioned anything in my log i wouldve ended up taking an AI and likely regretted it. ill post my labs in here when i get them

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Today marks the end of week 9 and the start of week 10.

Week 1 average weight: 167.7lb (Previous week 165.3)
Week 2 average weight: 168.4lb (+0.7lb)
Week 3 average weight: 169.2lb (+0.8lb)
Week 4 average weight: 170.4lb (+1.2lb)
Week 5 average weight: 173.8lb (+3.4lb)
Week 6 average weight: 173.8lb (+0lb)
Week 7 average weight: 174.4lb (+0.6lb)
Week 8 average weight: 174.9lb (+0.5lb)
Week 9 average weight: 180.3lb (+5.4lb)

Lifts have been good. Strength is up. 5lb in one week isn’t cool and I don’t like the fact that the weight isn’t coming off. My calories have been consistent for weeks now.

I feel softer too but pumps are insane lol

Trip is in 9 days so i think i’ll eat at maintenance until then and see if that does something

 

[AlteredAttitude]

Today marks the end of week 9 and the start of week 10.

Week 1 average weight: 167.7lb (Previous week 165.3)
Week 2 average weight: 168.4lb (+0.7lb)
Week 3 average weight: 169.2lb (+0.8lb)
Week 4 average weight: 170.4lb (+1.2lb)
Week 5 average weight: 173.8lb (+3.4lb)
Week 6 average weight: 173.8lb (+0lb)
Week 7 average weight: 174.4lb (+0.6lb)
Week 8 average weight: 174.9lb (+0.5lb)
Week 9 average weight: 180.3lb (+5.4lb)

Lifts have been good. Strength is up. 5lb in one week isn’t cool and I don’t like the fact that the weight isn’t coming off. My calories have been consistent for weeks now.

I feel softer too but pumps are insane lol

Trip is in 9 days so i think i’ll eat at maintenance until then and see if that does something

How are you feeling at this point? In regards to your unique flip switch you mentioned too.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

How are you feeling at this point? In regards to your unique flip switch you mentioned too.

Hey so I know I said that I wouldnt start adex until I got my labs back but I was sick of feeling like shit so I started taking 0.25mg of adex every 3 days. I just drew my labs yesterday at trough levels (right before my next dose of adex) so hopefully that will result today or tomorrow and let me know if I need to increase or lower my dose.

I feel better in terms of motivation and well being and my face is less swollen however the water weight hasn’t went away at all on the scale. My morning weight was still 180 this morning and weekly average has me right around there still. So i guess i’m just carrying an extra 5lb now randomly lol (I don’t look puffy, midsection looks as lean as ever)

Strength is through the roof. So thankfully things are on the up and up, looking forward to seeing what the labs say

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Recently added VG to my rotation of spots for my daily IM L carn and boy have I been missing out on the easiest most painless injection spot ever lol

 

[TeaSleep333]

Recently added VG to my rotation of spots for my daily IM L carn and boy have I been missing out on the easiest most painless injection spot ever lol

VG and Lats are my go to. Easiest pin of the day for me usually

 

[Athleticfreak]

kind of a random and unexpected turn / update for my cycle..
Just started 50mg of anavar daily split dosing today. (I will be doing 25mg in the morning / preworkout, and 25mg in the evening)

So now the cycle is
525mg/wk test cyp
50mg anavar (split dosing)
250iu HCG EOD
600-700mg L carnitine daily
10mg daily cialis
6mg reta every 6 days

If anyone has any words of advice / manageable expectations for me. I felt comfortable making this decision to add on Anavar because it will only be from today, until January 26th. So about 4.5 weeks of anavar. I think possibly if I don't notice an increased shed of hair, I will extend to 8 weeks if I feel like i'm really benefitting from it. Plan is to lower my surplus to around 200 calories, so I gain 0.5lb of scale weight a week. And since i'm 14-15% bodyfat right now I'd imagine I can still put on some good size (with ideally most of it being lean tissue) with anavar and the test cycle on board.

I felt same as usual today during my workout, if I felt anything I kind of brushed it off as placebo. I did take my first 25mg about 1.5 hours before my workout.
Today coincidentally was also the first workout in probably 10+ days where I didn't hit PR's (meaning increase in reps on my lifts) on any lifts. I'm trying to not let that get into my head. (We shouldn't be expecting increases in reps every workout, even on cycle, right?) If i'm wrong then obviously I need to work out what i'm doing wrong.

I'll be posting full 8 week before / after photos on Saturday. Plan to hold myself accountable and get some of your guys's eyeballs on it to see if i'm not seeing something I should be

Any AI’s involved ? Disregard just read 2 posts down lol

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Today marks the end of week 10 and the start of week 11.

Week 1 average weight: 167.7lb (Previous week 165.3)
Week 2 average weight: 168.4lb (+0.7lb)
Week 3 average weight: 169.2lb (+0.8lb)
Week 4 average weight: 170.4lb (+1.2lb)
Week 5 average weight: 173.8lb (+3.4lb)
Week 6 average weight: 173.8lb (+0lb)
Week 7 average weight: 174.4lb (+0.6lb)
Week 8 average weight: 174.9lb (+0.5lb)
Week 9 average weight: 180.3lb (+5.4lb)
Week 10 average weight: 180.3lb (+0lb)

Leave for my flight in two days. Kept the carbs on the lower side this week but kept calories the same. super high protein. still hit PRs every day in the gym. I think i'm holding less water now. still waiting on E2 labs

heres some progress photos and what the beach look is gonna be for me