Unhealthy Bloodwork after 10 weeks of TrenH/E; suggestions please

[TRT@40]

Your compounds of choice aren't health friendly. Thankfully, it's temporary and should go back to normal after you discontinue the offending compounds.

And if they don't and you die... well, we'll tell future readers that your were the Icarus of the Meso universe.

I know Tren even at low doses is not health friendly and neither is deca/npp.

What would you consider health friendly? Test, primo, Pharma HGH, Eq, masteron, DHB(??), Anavar

 

[TRT@40]

On a serious note though, how does one on TRT come off in order for their lipids to return to normal?

One likely option if your testes are still functioning is to use lower dose test along with hcg since level of suppression of HDL is exogenous test dose dependant. For me 100mg of test every 2 weeks along hcg of 300-500ius EOD got my test around 700. This was my 2nd TRT protocol after HCG monotherapy. Unfortunately, I did not get lipids but I am pretty sure impact to HDL-C would be minimal on this protocol

 

[T-Bagger]

One likely option if your testes are still functioning is to use lower dose test along with hcg since level of suppression of HDL is exogenous test dose dependant. For me 100mg of test every 2 weeks along hcg of 300-500ius EOD got my test around 700. This was my 2nd TRT protocol after HCG monotherapy. Unfortunately, I did not get lipids but I am pretty sure impact to HDL-C would be minimal on this protocol

Thanks bro!

 

[MisterSuperGod]

I know Tren even at low doses is not health friendly and neither is deca/npp.

What would you consider health friendly? Test, primo, Pharma HGH, Eq, masteron, DHB(??), Anavar

Let's face it, no steroid is really health friendly, so as a loose term here, yes, mostly those above, considering moderation.

Not the typical gram+ of EQ or 12 iu of GH every day that is talked about.

 

[BIG74]

Ive seen eGFR numbers increase quite a bit while using Astragalus when taking 4 grams a day. I also highly recommend checking out Dante Trudel's instagram page. He has a lot of OTC supplements listed, including studies to support why to take certain items.

Dante Trudel (@dante_trudel) • Instagram photos and videos

 

[TRT@40]

Let's face it, no steroid is really health friendly, so as a loose term here, yes, mostly those above, considering moderation.

Not the typical gram+ of EQ or 12 iu of GH every day that is talked about.

Here is a study that speaks to your comment about gram+ of Eq not being healthy, at least on reproductive organs, all though it is done on rabbits. It states 8.8mg/kg of body weight biweekly (1.8g of boldenone per week for 230lb male) vs. 4.4mg/kg (910mg per week for 230lb male) has significantly adverse effects on testes weight and sperm characteristics.
Adverse effects of the anabolic steroid, boldenone undecylenate, on reproductive functions of male rabbits
It implies 3.5mg/kg of body weight biweekly (725mg/wk) might be an acceptable dose when finding a balance sides vs benefits.
The other side effect of EQ of increased red blood count can be easily overcome by donating blood.

 

[BIG74]

Ive seen eGFR numbers increase quite a bit while using Astragalus when taking 4 grams a day. I also highly recommend checking out Dante Trudel's instagram page. He has a lot of OTC supplements listed, including studies to support why to take certain items.

Dante Trudel (@dante_trudel) • Instagram photos and videos

I meant to say DECREASE while using astragalus.

 

[BIG74]

I meant to say DECREASE while using astragalus.

Im an idiot, it is INCREASE in eGFR. LMAO. Sorry im a lil blazed right now. I need to not post for a bit. :

 

[TRT@40]

Im an idiot, it is INCREASE in eGFR. LMAO. Sorry im a lil blazed right now. I need to not post for a bit. :

No worries brother ; we know what you mean

 

[TRT@40]

Do any of you if Equipoise or Tren show up as testosterone in blood test for testosterone ?

 

[The Terminator]

Do any of you if Equipoise or Tren show up as testosterone in blood test for testosterone ?

I’ve seen it mentioned on lab results that nandrolone can cause an inaccurate result for T, and have heard Tren can show up as E on the elcia tests. LC/MS and sensitive E test should be more accurate I think..

 

[88general88]

Hi fellas,
I would appreciate some help here to mitigate the problems highlighted with bloodwork.
3 issues in bloodwork:
-lipid profile; i have read studies stating test alone can screw up the cholesterol profile but i am guessing Tren Hexa/Enan is the main contributor
CHOL=HIGH 319mg/dL at 8.26 nmol/L
TG=in range at 144mg/dL (1.63 nmol/L)
HDL=LOW at 17.4mg/dL (0.45 nmol/L)
LDL=273 mg/dL (7.06 nmol/L)
NON-HDL=HIGH at 301mg/dL (7.81 nmol/L)

-kidneys functon; eGFR 1 point below the minimum. Lab's notes say it is mild to moderately decreased kidney function
Creatinine= HIGH at 129 umol/
eGFR= LOW at 59 ml/min/1.73*m2

-thyroid function; both TSH and T4 are high very slightly. Confusing part is if T4 is high then TSH should be low not high
TSH=HIGH at 6.6
T4=HIGH at 26
I am hypothyroid, runs in the family, and on 150mcg/day of synthyroid

In terms of the compounds, for the past 10 weeks, I was on the following cycle:
-test cyp; average 600mg/wk
-tren hexa/Enan (50/50); average 310mg/wk-decreased to 250mg/wk for the last 2 weeks
-deca for joint relief; average 250mg/wk; was dropped a week before blood work to lower total of 19-nor compounds
-0.5mg of anastrazole every 2-3 days and 20mg of nolva every day to tame lump below left nipple that was developed during 2.5weeks of dbol in a previous cycle at a dose of 20mg/day
-20mg of accutane per day for 1 week before blood work and continuing to combat acne

I was planning on continuing the cycle to 16-20 weeks at 600mg/wk of test, only 200mg/wk of TrenEnan and adding Eq at 600mg/wk if bloodwork came out fine. In light of the issues highlighted, I will be dropping tren competely this week, dropping test to TRT dose of 250mg/wk and am still thinking about keeping EQ to help keep the gains. Or I can swap out EQ with PrimoE to help keep gains. Or sensible option is to drop all except Test and add 3-4ius of HGH to help preserve muscle tissue. BTW, I am on doctor prescribed TRT along with HCG.

What would you guys recommend to help improve the real issues you see in the bloodwork?

How long after discontinuing tren, would the lipid profile, kidney and thyroid function return to normal? I have read studies showing it takes about 12 weeks.

@The Terminator , @T-Bagger I think you are some of these issues from tren If I am not mistaken...

Thanks in advance for suggestions!


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In regards to your thyroid, honestly sounds like you are taking more t4 then your body needs, with is causing a state of hyperthyroidism. Which alone can cause a number of issues just by itself. I suggest sitting down with your PCP or endo and talking about this. Reason it is also a little alarming is that Tren has been shown to lower T4 and free t4, atleast in heifers it has been shown to be lowered in heifers that are implanted with 300mg of trenbolone acetate, I don’t see there being much of a difference with Hexa/Enanthate. So the mere fact that you are already supplementing with t4 and your levels are still extremely high tells me that maybe you are not HYPO, maybe you are Hyper. Were you diagnosed hypo by a doctor or self diagnosed due to your family tree?? 150mcg just seems an odd amount since most tabs of t4 are either 100mcg or 200mcg. If I were you I would get with you PCP or Endo and discuss your thyroid with a quickness, as well as your other issues which tbh al sound like those were created specifically do to diet while on trenbolone. Just my 2cents. Hope everything works out. I recently had blood done and my lipids came back extremely good. I am on 300mg TREN A a wk. but my diet is spotless.

 

[TRT@40]

In regards to your thyroid, honestly sounds like you are taking more t4 then your body needs, with is causing a state of hyperthyroidism. Which alone can cause a number of issues just by itself. I suggest sitting down with your PCP or endo and talking about this. Reason it is also a little alarming is that Tren has been shown to lower T4 and free t4, atleast in heifers it has been shown to be lowered in heifers that are implanted with 300mg of trenbolone acetate, I don’t see there being much of a difference with Hexa/Enanthate. So the mere fact that you are already supplementing with t4 and your levels are still extremely high tells me that maybe you are not HYPO, maybe you are Hyper. Were you diagnosed hypo by a doctor or self diagnosed due to your family tree?? 150mcg just seems an odd amount since most tabs of t4 are either 100mcg or 200mcg. If I were you I would get with you PCP or Endo and discuss your thyroid with a quickness, as well as your other issues which tbh al sound like those were created specifically do to diet while on trenbolone. Just my 2cents. Hope everything works out. I recently had blood done and my lipids came back extremely good. I am on 300mg TREN A a wk. but my diet is spotless.

I really appreciate your reply brother.
Yes, I have diagnosed by an endo as hypothyroid about 14 years ago; runs in the family. Synthyroid actually comes in 25-300mcg.
Dosing & Administration - SYNTHROID® (levothyroxine sodium tablets)

I am meeting with my endo next week as the family doctor said she can't make sense of both TSH and T4 being high.
150mcg of synthyroid was prescribed by my endo and had T4/TSH in the right range before tren cycle. Yes 150mcg seems high but I am about 235 lbs. it is strange to have T4 high and have symptoms of low thyroid hormone; was feeling cold once I made it past week 6 on tren.
TBH my diet is not horrible but not the greatest due to work being excessively busy for the last 12 weeks. it contains minimal amounts of saturated fats, no fast food, 250-300 grams of protein, about 250 grams of carbs and 60 grams of fat (mostly from 4 whole and organic egg breakfast, cheese, butter). Because of hypothyroidism, metabolism is relatively slow and tren has suppressed my appetite on top of that. I have dropped tren few days ago and deca about more than a week ago.
What else and how much did you run with 300mg/wk of trenA?
Thanks again brother

 

[Hawkins]

Do any of you if Equipoise or Tren show up as testosterone in blood test for testosterone ?

I’ve personally never seen EQ show up or over inflate my testosterone numbers.