MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
I don't have a question mate. Making up terms like '5a-amplification' does not make your arguments any more compelling. Yes, MENT does not convert to a more potent androgen in target tissues via 5a reductase, but neither do other steroids like Tren or Masteron. Are those also ''antiandrogens"? Of course not.
I think you need to understand 5a-amplification and the meaning of androgen for us to have a constructive conversation. So I must demur for the time being.
Looks great, Millard. Thanks . It must have been those cross-references being unsupported for web.
It has only been 24 hours but I put out this poll (will post up the final results after 1 week) that is still interesting thus far:
I personally really enjoy ment, however I had to drop it due to gyno formation at 150mg per week. At 75 per week the strength gains were amazing, and I had no estrogen problems. Strength wise, it felt like 300 tren without the psychological problems that accompany the insomnia, increased libido sides, and digestive issues.
I should add to this as well:@Millard please review, I know this one might have required additional editing given its appearance in web vs. editing views.
First, let's make sure we understand the dstinction between progestins and progestagenic androgens. I will refer you to:
Article on distinguishing progestins, prolactin, and progestagenic androgens (e.g., Tren, MENT, Deca) & SERM vs. AI logic [by Type-IIx]
Introduction Prolactin: Protein (peptide hormone; 227 AA, ~26 kDa) encoded by the PRL gene that primarily acts on the mammary gland to promote lactation Progesterone: Female sex steroid hormone (C21-steroid, 20-oxo steroid, 3-oxo-Delta(4)) that primarily acts to maintain pregnancy & decrease...thinksteroids.com
The distinction between trenbolone's gestagenicity vs. MENT's is that trenbolone's arises out of its triene (Δ4,9,11) structure vis-à-vis broad homology among the ligand-binding domains of the classical nuclear steroid receptors that share a common relatively low sequence identity.
In the case of trenbolone, its Δ4,9,11 double bonds result in a flattening of the steroid molecule which leads to conformation that is less hindered for AR binding. Since C-7 is sufficiently distal from C-3 and C-17, these double bonds see minimal steric or stereoelectronic interfere with the important interactions between the AR and the carbonyl- and hydroxyl- groups of the steroid. The combination of a 17α-side chain and conjugated Δ4,9,11-double bonds in the case of trenbolone, in the presence of hydrophobic substituents, leads to a steroid that is able to bind firmly not only to the AR and PR, but also to the MR and GR.
Conversely, in the case of MENT, its substitution of a methyl group in the 7α- position, while too serving to flatten the steroid molecule – perhaps facilely appearing as analogous to trenbolone – is distinguished from trenbolone by its:
(a) binding with considerably less potency to AR, reducing antiestrogenic and androgenic potency, and
(b) aromatizing to the most potent known estrogen as well (whereas trenbolone does not aromatize).
Since progestins increase estrogen sensitivity and combine synergistically with estrogens to cause hypertension, edema, gynecomastia, and other estrogenic & gestagenic maladies, MENT stands quite apart from trenbolone in its reduced efficacy versus trenbolone, given trenbolone's myriad practically applicable unique effects.
In summary, whereas trenbolone is a most potent nonaromatizable androgen, a member of the Δ4,9,11 steroids (trienes; e.g., trenbolone & metribolone & THG, "The Clear"), a class that possesses notable structural flexibility due to conformational mobility coupled with remarkable AR transactivation potency, MENT is by contrast a mild anabolic – (to wit, unmethylated Cheque drops which is itself used as a pure androgen without hardly a scintilla of significant anabolic effects in man). MENT combines its unremarkable anabolism with the most potent known estrogen, 17α-methylestradiol, synergistic in its harms, along with MENT's > 120% potency at the PR (progesterone receptor) versus trenbolone's.
I recognize you both. Are you familiar with the parable of Confucius and the tree? The analogy between destructive noise and quietly growing?
Deflection my dude plus could you be anymore patronizing.
100% agree. I couldn’t run up to 25mg per day, and only did 50-75mg total per week but it was one of the single best compounds I have used for strength . I added an entire plate to my incline, 155lbs to my hip thrust, 175 to my Romanian deadlift, and about 50lbs to my pull-down. Also without training conventional deadlift I added an extra 45lbs to my pull to get it closer to 700, when I did some 1rms on a whim. I certainly don’t believe a claim that it has no useful bodybuilding applications in practice. I log and take videos of lifts and when I finished my cycle I was legitimately shocked at some of the numbers. There are certainly drawbacks about the compound and maybe they aren’t worth it for some people, but it worked like nothing else for getting me strong.
Don't run it solo, you need testosterone for a bunch of physiological functions.
I'm aware and willing to take the risk for this experiment. Trestolone supposedly can replace all testosterone biofunctions at a much lower dose. I belie e it was initially created as a contraceptive and later studied for that and also hormonal replacement at 400-700mcg/day with pellets. If it has 4-6 times the androgenicity of testosterone it means it's potent enough to replace DHT when binding to the ARs. Also converts intro 7a-methyl-estradiol, I understand some say it has higher toxicity than bio estradiol but still it has great affinity to the ERs and could probably replace its functions.
