Unique Test/Primo/E2 Base Cycle + EO Experiment

[Raiders789]

Are you mixing up one single shot at I time?

Yeah I've got a bunch of 20ml sterile vials, so when I started a few weeks ago I prepped 2 of those by adding 15mls of 100mg/ml Primo, 3ml of 250mg/ml test cyp, and 1.5ml of 2mg/ml estradiol valerate. so every week I'll do 2 injections of 3.25ml of that mix and alternate each ventroglute.

As of last week I also added in a shot of 75mg primo and 50mg NPP into a delt 2x/week. so the total is 250 cyp, 650 primo, 100npp and 1mg EV per week.

 

[atruse]

just finished 3rd week, so far no low e2 symptoms (or high)
@ 210mg/420mg Test/Primo and 0.7mg/wk E enanthate

I'll check back in 3 more weeks

 

[BALLISTIC]

just finished 3rd week, so far no low e2 symptoms (or high)
@ 210mg/420mg Test/Primo and 0.7mg/wk E enanthate

I'll check back in 3 more weeks

I'll be waiting dude, this is going to be interesting with your full layout at the end. Raiders got my interest thinking.

 

[atruse]

I'll be waiting dude, this is going to be interesting with your full layout at the end. Raiders got my interest thinking.

yah not my thread, but piggybacking on @Raiders789 to share the data haha

 

[BALLISTIC]

yah not my thread, but piggybacking on @Raiders789 to share the data haha

Yeah no worry I originally spoke to him he gave insight on this. Your in the same boat. The difference of opinion or outcomes will be interesting. I'm thinking of something similar, so I'll be here.

 

[Raiders789]

Whats good boys -

My bad I know I said I was gonna try to get another hsCRP in but have been so busy throughout the holidays it didn't even cross my mind. Gonna be going back to school in a week and things will finally slow down for me so I'm going to repeat the hsCRP and actually rest the day before, and get some other standard tests.

So I've had the NPP in for a few weeks and I think im gonna drop it. My knee joints haven't improved espeically since I've been starting to integrate more heavy squat variants on my leg days. I have like a tiny lump of gyno on my right nipple (not visually noticeable but it'll feel sore sometimes) from a high npp experiment a while ago and have felt it flare up a bit more as well. I'm instead gonna increase the E2 dose which should hopefully address some of the knee pain.

My plan now (as of 1/5) is to drop the test from 250mg to 200mg, up the primo from 650mg to 800mg, and increase the EV to 1.35mg. Going to get labs done in the next week or two to 1) see my sensitive E2 on 1.35mg/week and 2) get a true inflammation baseline on Primo without EO. Also if theres anything y'all wanna see that I didn't test in my last bloodwork lmk!

Am now weighing ~203lbs fasted at about 11% bf. Have been getting great sleep (~8.5hrs/night) and seen my hrv creep up to ~65ms. I mentioned this in another thread but my Orthostatic Hypotension/POTS has completely disappeared and my BP now averages around ~115/70 and rhr has crept up to ~83bpm, although I'm not too concerned with that after discussing with my cardiologist. I added in 5mg cialis daily and l-citruline preworkout a few weeks ago for better pumps too which has been nice.

Besides the knee pain, everything has been going great so far. Great gym progress, feeling really full but also dry and vascular and really seeing the "primo effect" kick in. Have had a tiny bit of acne flare up on my forehead and shoulders but the low dose accutane + adapalene + benzoyl peroxide has been hella effective in keeping it controlled. For the first few weeks I had essentially no hair shedding, but these past few weeks I've been starting to get a bit of hair falling out (nothing crazy) so I whipped up a new batch of my hair serum I was using my last primo cycle, which is a solution of .15% finasteride, 5% minoxidil, and 5% RU58841. 1ml of that at night completely removed any hair loss so hopefully that stands true as I increase the primo.

 

[BALLISTIC]

Whats good boys -

My bad I know I said I was gonna try to get another hsCRP in but have been so busy throughout the holidays it didn't even cross my mind. Gonna be going back to school in a week and things will finally slow down for me so I'm going to repeat the hsCRP and actually rest the day before, and get some other standard tests.

So I've had the NPP in for a few weeks and I think im gonna drop it. My knee joints haven't improved espeically since I've been starting to integrate more heavy squat variants on my leg days. I have like a tiny lump of gyno on my right nipple (not visually noticeable but it'll feel sore sometimes) from a high npp experiment a while ago and have felt it flare up a bit more as well. I'm instead gonna increase the E2 dose which should hopefully address some of the knee pain.

My plan now (as of 1/5) is to drop the test from 250mg to 200mg, up the primo from 650mg to 800mg, and increase the EV to 1.35mg. Going to get labs done in the next week or two to 1) see my sensitive E2 on 1.35mg/week and 2) get a true inflammation baseline on Primo without EO. Also if theres anything y'all wanna see that I didn't test in my last bloodwork lmk!

Am now weighing ~203lbs fasted at about 11% bf. Have been getting great sleep (~8.5hrs/night) and seen my hrv creep up to ~65ms. I mentioned this in another thread but my Orthostatic Hypotension/POTS has completely disappeared and my BP now averages around ~115/70 and rhr has crept up to ~83bpm, although I'm not too concerned with that after discussing with my cardiologist. I added in 5mg cialis daily and l-citruline preworkout a few weeks ago for better pumps too which has been nice.

Besides the knee pain, everything has been going great so far. Great gym progress, feeling really full but also dry and vascular and really seeing the "primo effect" kick in. Have had a tiny bit of acne flare up on my forehead and shoulders but the low dose accutane + adapalene + benzoyl peroxide has been hella effective in keeping it controlled. For the first few weeks I had essentially no hair shedding, but these past few weeks I've been starting to get a bit of hair falling out (nothing crazy) so I whipped up a new batch of my hair serum I was using my last primo cycle, which is a solution of .15% finasteride, 5% minoxidil, and 5% RU58841. 1ml of that at night completely removed any hair loss so hopefully that stands true as I increase the primo.

Without the labs I know you're not certain, but given the NPP not helping with joints... You think E is low, and reason for increase?

I mention this because it's the same for me with EQ in unison with Deca. It did nothing for me and E/cyp cures it rapidly. In fact it continued to get worse until adding in E.

 

[Raiders789]

Without the labs I know you're not certain, but given the NPP not helping with joints... You think E is low, and reason for increase?

I mention this because it's the same for me with EQ in unison with Deca. It did nothing for me and E/cyp cures it rapidly. In fact it continued to get worse until adding in E.

On my last labs from 3 weeks ago my E2 was as 22pg/ml running 250 test, 500 primo and 1mg EV per week (labs were drawn at trough - 3.5 days after injecting 125mg cyp, 250mg primo and 0.5mg EV).

I felt good/still feel good on 1mg/week - my sex drive is amazing, great gains, no bloating, no emotional issues/mood swings. I think that it could just be that even though my E2 is technically in range, it is "relatively low" to the amount of androgens I'm on. I've heard a lot of reputable guys say they are comfortable letting there E2 get up to like 50-60 on higher dose cycles to mimic a realistic androgen:estrogen ratio. I'm not aware of any actual science that backs this lmao but I figured I'd let it rise a bit and see if anything changes.

I think my joints might be more of a result of me pushing myself so hard... I've been feeling so good I haven't taken a single rest day since starting the cycle and have been doing 30-45mins on the elliptical every morning. A few weeks ago I started in adding more sets of heavy squats/leg press and I don't think that's helping lmao but I love squatting so I'd like to keep pushing the weight. If it were a true joint issue I'd imagine I'd feel it in my elbows too, but my elbows feel great when benching. But still I'm gonna raise the EV a bit and see if it helps, regardless I'd like to see my E2 ~30 anyways.

 

[BALLISTIC]

On my last labs from 3 weeks ago my E2 was as 22pg/ml running 250 test, 500 primo and 1mg EV per week (labs were drawn at trough - 3.5 days after injecting 125mg cyp, 250mg primo and 0.5mg EV).

I felt good/still feel good on 1mg/week - my sex drive is amazing, great gains, no bloating, no emotional issues/mood swings. I think that it could just be that even though my E2 is technically in range, it is "relatively low" to the amount of androgens I'm on. I've heard a lot of reputable guys say they are comfortable letting there E2 get up to like 50-60 on higher dose cycles to mimic a realistic androgen:estrogen ratio. I'm not aware of any actual science that backs this lmao but I figured I'd let it rise a bit and see if anything changes.

I think my joints might be more of a result of me pushing myself so hard... I've been feeling so good I haven't taken a single rest day since starting the cycle and have been doing 30-45mins on the elliptical every morning. A few weeks ago I started in adding more sets of heavy squats/leg press and I don't think that's helping lmao but I love squatting so I'd like to keep pushing the weight. If it were a true joint issue I'd imagine I'd feel it in my elbows too, but my elbows feel great when benching. But still I'm gonna raise the EV a bit and see if it helps, regardless I'd like to see my E2 ~30 anyways.

Understood, yeah I've mentioned this before and I'm a firm believer in estrogen load to androgen load needing to be balanced. In heavy cycles I'll see upwards of 80ish and feel great, so your on to that perfectly. Obviously absent negative sides.

Reason I took strong interest in this cycle you're running. I think if more people venture this way we will see true perspective. Mine won't be with primo but instead EQ.

 

[Raiders789]

Understood, yeah I've mentioned this before and I'm a firm believer in estrogen load to androgen load needing to be balanced. In heavy cycles I'll see upwards of 80ish and feel great, so your on to that perfectly. Obviously absent negative sides.

Reason I took strong interest in this cycle you're running. I think if more people venture this way we will see true perspective. Mine won't be with primo but instead EQ.

For real, if I wasn't lucky enough to have a good primo stash I'd be using eq too

I'm a strong believer in this way of running a cycle (using trt with an AI-like anabolic and an estrogen base) because it takes all the estrogen guesswork/management out and lets more refined steroids build muscle. It also offers a lot more freedom to change/increases dosages without E2 sides especially for guys that are low aromatizers and get their E2 crushed on any amount of primo/eq. Love to see that more bros are doing this too! Would love to see this way of cycling become more mainstream. @BALLISTIC if you run a similar cycle with eq please keep me updated, if this primo shortage keeps up I'll probably be doing the same

 

[LayPave]

Started at .4mg 2x weekly estradiol cyp this week. Current cycle is 420 test 250 eq 100 npp week 4 my lcms e2 was 11. Added npp at week 8 and e2 went to 15. Will get bloods next week. Eq has a heavy effect on my e2. Not expecting a whole lot with .8mg ec but interested to see where it puts me.