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Yeah I've got a bunch of 20ml sterile vials, so when I started a few weeks ago I prepped 2 of those by adding 15mls of 100mg/ml Primo, 3ml of 250mg/ml test cyp, and 1.5ml of 2mg/ml estradiol valerate. so every week I'll do 2 injections of 3.25ml of that mix and alternate each ventroglute.
I'll be waiting dude, this is going to be interesting with your full layout at the end. Raiders got my interest thinking.
yah not my thread, but piggybacking on @Raiders789 to share the data haha
Yeah no worry I originally spoke to him he gave insight on this. Your in the same boat. The difference of opinion or outcomes will be interesting. I'm thinking of something similar, so I'll be here.
Without the labs I know you're not certain, but given the NPP not helping with joints... You think E is low, and reason for increase?
On my last labs from 3 weeks ago my E2 was as 22pg/ml running 250 test, 500 primo and 1mg EV per week (labs were drawn at trough - 3.5 days after injecting 125mg cyp, 250mg primo and 0.5mg EV).
Understood, yeah I've mentioned this before and I'm a firm believer in estrogen load to androgen load needing to be balanced. In heavy cycles I'll see upwards of 80ish and feel great, so your on to that perfectly. Obviously absent negative sides.
For real, if I wasn't lucky enough to have a good primo stash I'd be using eq too
Hey everyone,
So as I have mentioned in other threads - a few weeks ago I started my blast, and I'd like to use this thread to document my dosages, bloodwork, gains, etc. I'm doing something a bit unorthodox and going to be using an estrogen base throughout the cycle so I'll document my experiences with that because there doesn't seem to be a lot of information/experience out about that. Also I'll be running half the cycle using primo without EO and the other half using primo with EO so I'll document my inflammatory markers and pinning experiences on both.
This cycle design is gonna consist of a base of 250mg test cyp/week, along with varying amounts of primo(initially at 500mg/week), an estrogen base(1mg of Estradiol Valerate/week), periodic use of anavar with the goal of bringing up lagging muscles, and lastly 4-6iu of GH.
A bit of background: I'm fairly new to AAS use - I've been on hormone replacement for nearly a year now, and have run 3 small cycles + cruises throughout that time. I have experience using both primobolan and anavar - my 2nd cycle I ran test/primo at a 1:1 ratio which I'd say is the best cycle I've ran, but I crashed my E2 pretty much instantly to 0 (which in hindsight I should have seen coming given how low of an aromatizer I am). Instead of raising the test, I opted to add in an estrogen base (in the form of injectable Estradiol Valerate) and use that cycle as an opportunity to experiment and dial in the exact dosage of EV I'd need to keep my E2 where I want it. So after confirming my E2 crashed to low single digits on just test/primo with a LCMS E2 blood test, I started off by adding 0.5mg EV/week which put my E2 at 18pg/ml, and then bumped up to 1mg EV/week to get my E2 to 37pg/ml (both confirmed by LCMS E2). Once I got that dialed in, the cycle was fantastic and I made the best + most consistent progress I think I ever have. I also felt the best I ever have on cycle too, I've found I feel the best on primo - always in a good mood, no anger/excess CNS stimulation, better focus and motivation.
I plan to break this cycle into two phases - first a lean bulk phase and second a fat loss phase. I won't set any hard deadlines, but my best guess is I'll run the lean bulk from Dec - March(aiming for a 250-500cal surplus), and then transition to fat loss from April - May however It'll all be dependent on how much fat I gain during the bulk. I'd like to end the fat loss phase at ~8% bodyfat and don't want to have to diet over a 750cal deficit so I'll make adjustments to the program as I go to make sure I reach my goal. This cycle I'm gonna keep my test at 250mg/week and let primo be the main driver of hypertrophy. My plan is to start at 500mg/week, and maybe increase it down the road if progress stagnates during the bulk or if I start to lose strength during the diet. I've been making great progress these first few weeks on 500mg so hopefully that doesn't change, but I'm very fortunate to have a ton of primo so I have no problem adding a bit more. Hopefully this log can serve as a good measure of how effective primo on its own is at building muscle, given most primo cycle logs feature high doses of test as well.
As far as sourcing/EO - I have plenty of both 100mg/ml and 200mg/ml primo(only BA/BB, no EO) from primal, 200mg/ml primo(with EO) from primal(resold from China), and 200mg/ml primo(with EO) from WWB. And test cyp 250mg/ml from primal(no EO). I'm currently using the 100mg/ml no EO from primal. My plan is to alternate between sources every 4 weeks, and get lab work/inflammatory markers checked at each switch. I'm lucky enough to have a good amount of spare cash lying around and buying labs is no problem, so if there's any other inflammatory test other than hsCRP/CBC/Fibriogen, or other tests in general you guys would like to see lmk!
Also if any of the more experienced guys have any critiques/recommendations to adjusting dosages, ancillaries, or anything in general I'm all ears! Like I said, although I feel I'm well educated in AAS, I'm still fairly new to the game and would like to do whatever I can to optimize my health and gains.
Yes, I've got bloodwork posted following a mini cycle I ran a few months ago(no inj. estradiol)- https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/test-tren-mast-var-bloods.134433120/
As far as I’m aware, only oral e2 reduces HGH conversion to IGF-1 in the liver due to the way it’s metabolized. Inj. E2 shows no difference in IGF1 from the studies I remember.
I got my E2 up to 127 pg/ml on 4.2mg/w of e2c on accident when first trialing. IGF1 of 317 on that blood work at 5iu of rhGH p/d.
