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What is it you propose to test? Human grade generic meds is what his list is made up of. I'm gonna go out on a real sturdy limb....and put my friendship and mutual respect that Serono and I have for each other...and if I'm wrong I'm buying lunch next time he comes to the Desert for a round at Big Horn...NO. He's not going to do anything of the sort.Do you offer credit for lab testing?
Unfortunately, I do not have a friendship with Serono and I do not know if what he is providing me with is, in fact, what I have purchased. I find it odd that you would take aim at my asking this source if they credit for lab tests, as that is a rather standard question for every source. After all, he is offering to sell products to others in exchange for payment. How do I know he is providing me with what I purchased? “Do you have some sort of info concerning something we don’t?” That would be the point of a lab test, wouldn’t it? Is this source off-limits for testing and simple questions? However, I do take note of the fact that a good portion of the Meso OGs have nothing but praise for this source.What is it you propose to test? Human grade generic meds is what his list is made up of. I'm gonna go out on a real sturdy limb....and put my friendship and mutual respect that Serono and I have for each other...and if I'm wrong I'm buying lunch next time he comes to the Desert for a round at Big Horn...NO. He's not going to do anything of the sort.
Do you have some sort of info concerning something we don't?
Unfortunately, I do not have a friendship with Serono and I do not know if what he is providing me with is, in fact, what I have purchased. I find it odd that you would take aim at my asking this source if they credit for lab tests, as that is a rather standard question for every source. After all, he is offering to sell products to others in exchange for payment. How do I know he is providing me with what I purchased? “Do you have some sort of info concerning something we don’t?” That would be the point of a lab test, wouldn’t it? Is this source off-limits for testing and simple questions? However, I do take note of the fact that a good portion of the Meso OGs have nothing but praise for this source.
I can understand that.It just seems like an odd question for a pharm grade product from an already vetted and established OG source.
No one is outside of testing. Just don’t see why he would pay to test a pharm grade product… US pharma nonetheless.
If ur concerned go get it tested, no harm no fowl.(like birds of feather flock together to attack a prey...)I can understand that.
I know what your point was. I do. I was hoping to jump start a little debate or back and forth between members. I spoke to Serono after I dirtied up his thread a little with my post.Unfortunately, I do not have a friendship with Serono and I do not know if what he is providing me with is, in fact, what I have purchased. I find it odd that you would take aim at my asking this source if they credit for lab tests, as that is a rather standard question for every source. After all, he is offering to sell products to others in exchange for payment. How do I know he is providing me with what I purchased? “Do you have some sort of info concerning something we don’t?” That would be the point of a lab test, wouldn’t it? Is this source off-limits for testing and simple questions? However, I do take note of the fact that a good portion of the Meso OGs have nothing but praise for this source.
The general consensus among MESO is that no source is immune to testing and that they should offer credit if their customers decide to test their products, no matter how long they have been on this board. I don’t see how testing and providing credit for that testing is a no-win for any source when it brings them further repute, as well as further business. From reading others interactions with sources, I can see that there have been quite a few sources on this board that have built a stellar reputation, only for them to fall from grace. Pharmacom is having numerous issues, as of late, and they are only continuing to falter. Are you saying that you hesitated to send some of Seronos products to other sources because you are worried about the possibilty of it being counterfeited? I’m genuinely confused about the meaning of your second paragraph. I’m not attempting to be insulting, but I honestly don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Futhermore, I have ordered from Serono before and his communication and shipping have been excellent. As I have said before, I understand that Serono has a very positive reputation here.I know what your point was. I do. I was hoping to jump start a little debate or back and forth between members. I spoke to Serono after I dirtied up his thread a little with my post.
You absolutely can test anything you'd like...but on your dime with these products. He was gracious and polite, unlike myself, but did make it clear that he won't compensate guys who decide to do so.
Have you ordered and received any of his products? I get that the Chinese can damn near duplicate most anything and Turkey and some others from that part of the planet are pretty good too.
I was trying to remember if there was any other source anywhere that offers the PCT, AI'sm, and the rest of the things that Serono does? I thought I remember some guy on Reddit did a few years back but I believe that was Serono as well?
I think he's the only guy who does? He probably could charge more as the prices seem more than reasonable to me? He's not that way, though.
He is in a no win situation if he decided to offer to cover costs. He isn't a masochist and isn't going to offer to help give himself a pain in the ass. Guys would test his stuff and when they came back on time the debate would kick off about how the counterfeiter's wouldn't put out a product without the active ingredient in it. The scam would be short lived.
They would go the way of what Ret did with the fake Watson Test Cyp. He basically was able to charge a premium or Pharm grade prices for ugl gear dressed up like the real thing. He got rich of that stuff.
Its why for a while I wouldn't deliberately sell a kit or even a vial of Serostim to any vendor of generic gh who had plans to test. I had in the past and guys would say how could they trust that the Seros are the real thing? The fact that I've been working with them since 2005 and am plugged in with a whole group of sick guys out here in Southern Cali doesn't impress those with an agenda. They counter with "Well, how about your agenda?!?!" and its goes on from there.
I did send a vial to Opti because I've known him for years and like him. He sent it off to Jano who had his new way of dealing with gh. I don't know how that worked out?
The general consensus among MESO is that no source is immune to testing and that they should offer credit if their customers decide to test their products, no matter how long they have been on this board. I don’t see how testing and providing credit for that testing is a no-win for any source when it brings them further repute, as well as further business. From reading others interactions with sources, I can see that there have been quite a few sources on this board that have built a stellar reputation, only for them to fall from grace. Pharmacom is having numerous issues, as of late, and they are only continuing to falter. Are you saying that you hesitated to send some of Seronos products to other sources because you are worried about the possibilty of it being counterfeited? I’m genuinely confused about the meaning of your second paragraph. I’m not attempting to be insulting, but I honestly don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Futhermore, I have ordered from Serono before and his communication and shipping have been excellent. As I have said before, I understand that Serono has a very positive reputation here.
Fair enough. I’ll go crawl back into my hole.Was trying not to have to jump in here, but here goes... And I hope my tone doesn't get lost in type, but I mean none of this with any ill will, or negativity. Just kind of responding to the topic at hand.
1. Feel free to test whatever you want. I encourage it. I just don't reimburse it at this point in my career, and due to the nature of my products.
Let me ask this.... Do you test your prescriptions you get filled at the pharmacy? If not, why not? If so, what do you do with the info?
Additionally... Do you ever look at my list and wonder why it is so specific? Like why don't I offer US HCG? Or US Aromasin? Why don't I offer brand name Astra Zenica Adex, etc... Because it is impossibly expensive to do so.
If I could just make items, why would I not make those, or brand names? lol Or maybe that is part of the ruse?
Sometimes you need to read between the lines...
2. "when it brings them further repute, as well as further business"
I don't want further business. Have you noticed I virtually never post here? I literally tell people to please NOT leave me reviews here, do NOT bump my thread.. I am content.
3. See the above^ This is why I don't falter... This is why after 8-9 years, I am as consistent as the day I started... Because my goal from Day 1 was to provide the best products I can, and have the best customer service I can.
My goal from day 1 was to remain small, because volume is the killer of virtually all sources.
I am not pharmacom, or some conglomorate. I am one guy and there is not very many moving parts...haha
4. I think what Ben means in that second paragraph is this... You test my adex, and it comes back as it should... Then people go "well ya, because obviously counterfeiters know to put real adex in there" So it is just a never ending debate.. Is it what I say it is(ie. made by xxx) or is it UGL in xxx bottle......
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My reputation and longevity speaks for itself.
How many sources do you see with ZERO negative reviews, ever? No signs of declining effort. No decline in service, or products for all these years.... Bottom line is I will retire, with 100% of my reputation intact.
Respectfully,
S
lol no need for that man. You raise valid points, and it is worth answering.... Just giving you my perspective on things.Fair enough. I’ll go crawl back into my hole.
Fuck my bad! Unfortunately no I did not read that whole post. I knew I should have just emailed him.Guess you guys didn't read seronos post 5 posts up...about not bumping the thread. LMAO.