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Originally posted by SAD (someANDdone)
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Ventro-Gluteal Injection Video
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Singularity
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Thanks Stretch. I've been looking into this, but have yet to attempt. How much can you get away with pinning in this spot?
DieYoungStrong
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Sing hitting the VG is so easy. I put 2 CC in 2x per week and it's nothing. In the past I've put 3 CC's in w/o any issues. I was pinning the VG before I knew it was the VG lol. It's the easiest glute muscle to reach.
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I dunno why but I always have flexibility issues when hitting my left VG. I also do it seated which makes it easier for me. I think delt or quad injections are the easiest.
I hate to be a party pooper but there is no muscle or muscle group called the "ventro gluteal muscle".
The gluteal muscles include the Glut Maximus, Glut medius and Gluteus minimi.
All of these muscles are positioned either posterior (G Max) or medial (G Med and G Mini) anatomically.
Since the term Ventral means anterior or on top of anatomically the only muscle even close in position to the other Gluteal muscles is the TFL which is obviously NOT a gluteal muscle at all.
Ergo the video is depicting an injection into the Gluteus medius, which as in this pic is REFERRED TO as the "Ventro Glut".
Strictly defined a "ventro gluteal" injection involves pinning the Tensor Fascia Lata and I've posted a couple pics along those lines previously.
However VERY FEW BB have enough development of the TFL to allow such an injection without hitting BONE!
That being said injection into the lateral hip area which involves a portion of the G Max and underlying G Medius is a VERY EASY and forgiving injection to perform just remain at least 2" above the femoral head depression, since an injection into this region may cause a septic joint!
I'm not chiding Stretch at all in this regard, since whenever lay BB science becomes Bro lore the terms used can become very confusing, IME!
Jim
Unfortunately the
The gluteal muscles include the Glut Maximus, Glut medius and Gluteus minimi.
All of these muscles are positioned either posterior (G Max) or medial (G Med and G Mini) anatomically.
Since the term Ventral means anterior or on top of anatomically the only muscle even close in position to the other Gluteal muscles is the TFL which is obviously NOT a gluteal muscle at all.
Ergo the video is depicting an injection into the Gluteus medius, which as in this pic is REFERRED TO as the "Ventro Glut".
Strictly defined a "ventro gluteal" injection involves pinning the Tensor Fascia Lata and I've posted a couple pics along those lines previously.
However VERY FEW BB have enough development of the TFL to allow such an injection without hitting BONE!
That being said injection into the lateral hip area which involves a portion of the G Max and underlying G Medius is a VERY EASY and forgiving injection to perform just remain at least 2" above the femoral head depression, since an injection into this region may cause a septic joint!
I'm not chiding Stretch at all in this regard, since whenever lay BB science becomes Bro lore the terms used can become very confusing, IME!
Jim
Unfortunately the
I KNEW doc Jim would say that!
actually doc, do you think it's more of the gluteus minimus/medius area?
Perhaps a more suitable term, instead of ventral glute, would be area slightly inferior to the lateral portion of the iliac crest...thats a mouthful though...[
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Say what SW?
Understand I'm not trying to be critical with my commentary whatsoever.
I only mention this because the term used VG in BB has become so damn confusing, that many are unwilling to use this very simple and accessible injection site!
Fact is it is MY favorite site because of;
1) accessibility, second only to the quads
2) reasonable size, enabling the accommodation of "LG volumes"
3) minimal PIP, since you don't sit on it, unlike the G Max
4) excellent blood supply, permitting re-injection within 2 days
5) reasonable development, in MOST patients but especially BB
The Gluteus minimi is a very small muscle (perhaps 2" by 1/2" in thickness at it's origin but it tapers like a V at it's femoral insertion) which lies underneath the gluteus medius.
It's primary function is the maintenance of internal rotation when the hip is abducted (pushed outward).
Because it's positioned in close proximity to the joint capsule, an injection that deep is best avoided.
Jimmy
Understand I'm not trying to be critical with my commentary whatsoever.
I only mention this because the term used VG in BB has become so damn confusing, that many are unwilling to use this very simple and accessible injection site!
Fact is it is MY favorite site because of;
1) accessibility, second only to the quads
2) reasonable size, enabling the accommodation of "LG volumes"
3) minimal PIP, since you don't sit on it, unlike the G Max
4) excellent blood supply, permitting re-injection within 2 days
5) reasonable development, in MOST patients but especially BB
The Gluteus minimi is a very small muscle (perhaps 2" by 1/2" in thickness at it's origin but it tapers like a V at it's femoral insertion) which lies underneath the gluteus medius.
It's primary function is the maintenance of internal rotation when the hip is abducted (pushed outward).
Because it's positioned in close proximity to the joint capsule, an injection that deep is best avoided.
Jimmy
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I dont want to sound defensive, just curious here...I could give two shits what we call the spot on our hip.
We could just call it that...
New thread title--"that spot on your hip...injection video.."
But...
If "ventroglute" is a misnomer; then why do I find articles on PubMed referring to the ventrogluteal being the prime location for an IM injection?
Certainly bro science hasnt made its' way onto pubmed...right?
My younger sister is in nursing school, why is she learning about giving a ventrogluteal IM injection from her non-BBing instructors?
I'm confused.
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Stretch
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It seems there are a great many references outside of BB to an injection site called the "ventrogluteal" area. As Dr. Jim has already said there is no ventrogluteal muscle and the area in question injects into TFL. I think BB probably refer to this site interchangeably with "the muscle" they are injecting into - in other words suggesting when one injects into the ventrogluteal area they are injecting into the ventrogluteal muscle which of course is not correct.
I will admit all but a few of the cadavers in my lab section where very old people in not great health at the time of their death and TFL was not an impressive muscle on any of them.
I will admit all but a few of the cadavers in my lab section where very old people in not great health at the time of their death and TFL was not an impressive muscle on any of them.
Not all citations on PubMed are strictly peer reviewed for accuracy.
I would have to look at the article specifically but each time I've investigated a "VG injection" reference it's from a nursing text or journal, because the there is no VENTRO-GLUTEAL MUSCLE" in either name or position anatomically.
Moreover even if pictures are shown as in this video the site being used is the Gluteus Medius, since the notion of using the TFL for IM injections is utterly absurd.
I would have to look at the article specifically but each time I've investigated a "VG injection" reference it's from a nursing text or journal, because the there is no VENTRO-GLUTEAL MUSCLE" in either name or position anatomically.
Moreover even if pictures are shown as in this video the site being used is the Gluteus Medius, since the notion of using the TFL for IM injections is utterly absurd.
Stretch
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Okay. Now I am understanding.
So, there is a ventrogluteal injection site. But no ventrogluteal muscle.
Am I getting warmer?
LOL
Almost, there is a Dorso-Lateral Gluteal injection site, which if positioned correctly, should pass into the Gluteus Medius muscle.
Stretch the problem many mates have IME is locating that damn ventro-gluteal muscle in some text or print.
Consequently many don't use this site believing they have to pin the "arse!"
Almost, there is a Dorso-Lateral Gluteal injection site, which if positioned correctly, should pass into the Gluteus Medius muscle.
Stretch the problem many mates have IME is locating that damn ventro-gluteal muscle in some text or print.
Consequently many don't use this site believing they have to pin the "arse!"
I don't know.....if this reference shows up in enough things I don't think we can say it doesn't exist....Becton Dickinson doesn't lie! Here they clearly show both the ventrogluteal and dorsolateral gluteal injections sites.
http://www.bd.com/hypodermic/pdf/Intramuscular_Injection_Guidelines.pdf
http://www.bd.com/hypodermic/pdf/Intramuscular_Injection_Guidelines.pdf
Nice vid, Stretch. This is not as good, but here's my old post with my hairy belly demonstrating pinning the ventrogluteal SITE:
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134274390
Once you learn it, you'll stick with it. No one would bother to use a slin pin where it will take 3 cc in 1.5" pin easily. Like buttah.
Doc, have you heard of the tensor fasciae latae muscle?
Solo
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134274390
Once you learn it, you'll stick with it. No one would bother to use a slin pin where it will take 3 cc in 1.5" pin easily. Like buttah.
Doc, have you heard of the tensor fasciae latae muscle?
Solo
Yea I've seen similar pictures in NURING TEXTS, but what
the position of the injection is most certainly NOT VENTRAL AKA ANTERIOR or involving the "ventrogluteal" muscle.
the position of the injection is most certainly NOT VENTRAL AKA ANTERIOR or involving the "ventrogluteal" muscle.
Hey Solo how you doing?
Is there a TFL MUSCLE?
Yep there is and it lies between the GLUTEUS MEDIUS and the SARTORIOUS.
It separates the two tracts of the iliotibial band as they attach to the iliac crest.
This muscle is quite small and underdeveloped except in advanced BB and indeed I know of a coupe whom inject there.
I'm sure wiki will have a few pics of it. I'll post a pic of a BB with a well developed TFL and it's referred to as the "VG" probably because of it's position anatomically.
Is there a TFL MUSCLE?
Yep there is and it lies between the GLUTEUS MEDIUS and the SARTORIOUS.
It separates the two tracts of the iliotibial band as they attach to the iliac crest.
This muscle is quite small and underdeveloped except in advanced BB and indeed I know of a coupe whom inject there.
I'm sure wiki will have a few pics of it. I'll post a pic of a BB with a well developed TFL and it's referred to as the "VG" probably because of it's position anatomically.
Well, I'm pretty sure I've injected many times in the upper "tensor fasciae latae" muscle, which is located on the side (ventro) of the gluteus mediius muscle beneath the hip bone.
Solo
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