views on my next cycle?

[toc67guru]

i am relatively new to aas.so far i have shyed away from test but now want to give it a shot.don't like the bloated look so have stayed with tren,winstrol & primo in the past.i want to try test first on its own as i have suffered from acne in my teens so decided to use propionate for quick clearance if i run into any problems.depending on gains i also have primo tabs 25mg which i may incorporate mid cycle.the course looks like this:

8 weeks of test prop at 500mg/per week
0.25mg of arimidex eod
20 mg of nolvodex daily
1/6-1/8 th of proscar tab per day

i was going to use arimidex at 0.25mg daily & no anti e but after reading driving estrogen too low was not healthy i thought 0.25mg of arimidex eod with 20mg of nolvodex daily was a better option.the proscar was merely there for dht conversion as it may cause a reoccurance of the acne.i know this may be overkill & is probably due to being paranoid to test & its side effects.again around week 4 depending on gains i was thinking of using primo orals at 100mg daily for the last 4 weeks as i have them.i was not going to start the proscar immediately but wait to see if my skin flared up at my test dosage & if so incorporate the proscar to see what it done.i would like quality mass without all the fluid retention so may have to increase the arimidex 0.25mg to ed depending on any bloating.
i would be interested in others opinions on the above and any constructive advice would be very much appreciated.i will of course follow this up with a proper pct.

 

[Patuba]

I'd drop the Arimidex, with the Nolva every day I don't think you would need it. Also, I wouldn't run Novla during the cycle unless you are prone to gyno.

 

[bigjdog]

Looks good, it would look better with a lil tren tho.

But I would hold off on the nolva until you need it
and/or for post recovery, and run .25 adex ed.

 

[skywalk]

Looks good, it would look better with a lil tren tho.

But I would hold off on the nolva until you need it
and/or for post recovery, and run .25 adex ed.

I agree with bigjdog. Dont do the nolva till PCT. Do 0.25mg arimidex ED, and bump it up to 0.5 ED if you get too much bloat. Gyno is not caused merely by elevated levels of estrogen. Rather, it's the RATIO of androgens to est that has a major effect on gyno. You didnt specify how often you're shooting. With prop, I'd suggest 150mg EOD, or 75mg ED.

Skywalk

 

[toc67guru]

being prone to the side effects of high androgens i did not want to combine the test with another high androgen like tren.i wanted to assess how i got on with test alone at 500mg per week before adding anything more likely to be a high anabolic low andogenic just to see what dosage i could tolerate without sides.as i have said i have read advice not recommending driving estrogen too low with arimidex for health benefits this was why i thought about 0.25mg arimidex eod with 20 mg of nolvodex daily to try to keep estogen within the normal range to facilitate the health benefits.would nolvodex not also impact anti estogenic activity in target tissue(nipples,etc),but also agonise certain tissue to the benefit of estrogen for long term health?i know that nolvodex is
meant to lessen the gains made on aas but there is aso a health issue at stake.
the nolvodex was added to compete with any excess estrogen.i was originally going to use only 0.25 arim ed and no nolvodex but again the issue of driving estrogen too low led me to reconsider.
anyone any advice as i am starting tomorrow so you's haven't much time to point me in the right direction?

 

[toc67guru]

any advice on my next cycle?

sorry i didn't answer your question.i am using the prop eod at 150mg.again i chose prop as it would allow me a quicker adjustment of my dosage.if all goes well next time i would use test enanathate with prop only at the start for a quick kickin before enen went to work and at the end to keep test dosage up as the last shot of enan started to taper.i had pimo sitting about ,that was why i was going to put it in mid cycle just to bump my dosage up without elevating androgens too much.do you think 100mg daily would be enough?

 

[biganth]

I have found Prop shots ED are better than EOD for me,keeps your blood levels more stable.Like the guys say,leave the Nolva and just have it on hand if you need it and for PCT ( I prefer Nolva over Clomid,too many eyesight probs with Clomid for me ! ) Nice to see you doing some research.I would go with .25 adex ED

 

[skywalk]

being prone to the side effects of high androgens i did not want to combine the test with another high androgen like tren.i wanted to assess how i got on with test alone at 500mg per week before adding anything more likely to be a high anabolic low andogenic just to see what dosage i could tolerate without sides.as i have said i have read advice not recommending driving estrogen too low with arimidex for health benefits this was why i thought about 0.25mg arimidex eod with 20 mg of nolvodex daily to try to keep estogen within the normal range to facilitate the health benefits.would nolvodex not also impact anti estogenic activity in target tissue(nipples,etc),but also agonise certain tissue to the benefit of estrogen for long term health?i know that nolvodex is
meant to lessen the gains made on aas but there is aso a health issue at stake.
the nolvodex was added to compete with any excess estrogen.i was originally going to use only 0.25 arim ed and no nolvodex but again the issue of driving estrogen too low led me to reconsider.
anyone any advice as i am starting tomorrow so you's haven't much time to point me in the right direction?

Toc67guru it really looks to me like you're just waiting for someone to agree with you about your choice of dosages. It also seems to me that you're ignoring the common theme here, which is arimidex at 0.25mg ED. For some, that is fine, but for others, 0.25mg is still too low and they develop gyno.
now, please tell me what "health issues/problems" you are so worried of getting with lowered estrogen levels?
so you decided not to incorporate tren and do a prop only cycle?

Skywalk

 

[toc67guru]

my next cycle?

you are right i am seeking clarification i am on the right track.as i said i am relatively new to aas useage.i suffered from acne through adolecence and beyond which resulted in me being treated with roaccutane.through paranoia of a return of acne with high androgens i have used winstrol & primo in the past.my last course was tren & winstrol which was good for quality gains.i was hesitant about using tren at first due to the high androgens but gave it a go.i used 1 1/2 ml eod(75mg/ml) along with 50 mg of winstrol eod.another concern is fluid retention,i have used precontest gear to avoid this.i wanted to try test combined with arimidex to see if i could put on quality size without the bloat.the reason i did not combine tren with it was:
i wanted to see what test dosage i could tolerate without my skin flaring up

i also did not want to combine tren which i have read is a high androgen with another high androgen like test until i had experimented.

i understand these dosages are low by todays standards but we are all individuals who have to find what works for us, and also what we can tolerate.i am being cautious as acne caused me alot of anguish in my early life & i certainly would not want a return of it.
the arimidex was to prevent bloating but again after a little research i read driving estrogen too low with anti aromatising drugs was not a good thing in relation to other health issues,hdl,bones etc.the thing recommended was to keep estrogen within normal range.swale recommended on the hrt board when pressed by a member what dosage of arim he would advise with 500mg of test/week was .5mg every third day.i know this is going to be trial & error whether to use .25mg ed or eod or even to increase the dosage but again i was only looking others views on the subject.in the quest of limiting bloating i certainly do not want to overdo arimidex at the expense of health even in the short term.the fact that i stated i was starting today was a ploy for a quick response.yes i am seeking an ok on my dosage & yes i have already started this morning & yes i would greatly appreciate anyones contribution on the subject as this is how we learn.

 

[skywalk]

remember, toc, that everyone is unique. My suggestion is, in order to put your fears to rest, you have no choice but to get bloodwork done on a regular basis. 0.5mg arimidex every 3rd day per 500mg of test is but a GUIDELINE. What works for them might not work for you, and thus the best course of action is to get bloodwork done. Anyone can say from experience "yes, 0.25mg every other day will be sufficient....etc" but like I said, you won't know for sure. Put your fears to rest and get checked every month. its about 35-50 bucks per test if I remember correctly

Skywalk

 

[Geno99262]

As far as bloat ....the more water you drink the less you will retain. I have moved my water intake up to a gallon and a half a day and have hardly any noticable bloat.