Virgin Cycle, Test E and Dbol

[BigMick]

Shoulders are the best spot to pin. I never heated the oil in 15 years. I have had my days of pip lumps on my ass can't sit down comes with the territory.

I did try warming my tren today 1cc in the shoulder in and out like butter no pip at all. I think that might be the ticket.

 

[MrDelimber]

What are you using to pin Maven? Ive been using 1''x25gauge BD Luer locks and have not had an issue yet with PIP... And when prepping the injection site i learned as a medic to start in the middle and circle your way out with the alcohol swap apparently pushes bacteria away whereas if you just rub it back and forth you are bringing bacteria back to the site...

 

[Maven3]

Im using 25G 1.25" to pin and 21G to draw out of the vial. Just did my right delt and followed your advice with the swabbing. Im also rubbing down the whole area with alcohol sanitizer as well to be extra sure!

Ive got some pip for the delt I did on Monday, its not bad enough to restrict movement or working out but its definitely tight. Kind of feels like an internal bruise type of pain. Im super paranoid after getting an infection/abscess on my first pin so I will be monitoring it very closely.

Hoping I dont get any more complications from here out, mentally its been very draining dealing with the infection, trying to workout around it, considering stopping the cycle etc.

At least the gains from dbol are kicking in so thats at least balancing things out a bit.

 

[Maven3]

Nov 29

Ok things seem like they're getting back on track, very minor PIP from my right delt pin from last night, certainly less than what I got from my left delt which is still stiff. I blasted my shoulders today, had full range of movement and felt strong. Got up to 60kg for 6 reps on my overhead press. Yeh its not that much but still its another PR for me so very happy with that!

Getting moments of ridiculous horniness now too, a gym hottie was doing some lunges right next to me, I started daydreaming about all the ways I would love to bang her lol. That in itself is pretty normal for me but it was the intensity of the feeling which was pretty crazy! Anyway the wife is gonna get it big time tonight ha ha

 

[Maven3]

Before I forget, heres my start pic. Not the best lighting but it'll do!

 

[Maven3]

also approx what BF would you say I am in that pic? Im horrible at estimating that..

 

[Maven3]

Dec 2

HUGE sesh at the gym! Best yet, chest day today and smashed out some new PRs. Got 100kg by 8 reps which has been a goal of mine forever, couldnt believe how easy it went up considering 2 weeks ago I was stuck at 4 reps. 110kg for 4 reps and a new 1RPM for me of 120kg. I think its safe to say my cycle is really starting to kick off now. Cant wait to try and get some new squat and deadlift PRs.

Current weight 84.2kg

 

[Maven3]

Dec 3

Weight continues to go up, I was a little shocked when I stepped on the scale, Ive gone from 84.2kg yesterday to 85.2 today! Re-weighed myself 3 x to make sure it wasnt a mistake. Is that normal? Anyway its been a wild ride so far, started at 78kg on day 1 now at 85.2kg on day 16. Ive got 24 more days to go on the dbol it seems pretty certain Ill get over 90kg min.

Had my back and biceps workout today, I encountered the dreaded back pumps finally while doing my deadlifts. I never understood how they could be as bad as people described it, well now I know! I had to go lie down in between sets and even then I couldnt get up to max weights because the pain was just unbearable. Luckily everything else was ok, barbell rows were painful but manageable. Got a new PR on that, 100kg for 8 reps.

People are noticing now in the gym, getting a lot of "bro youre looking big!" type comments. Im just playing it off, said I got a bunch of killer new supps, creatine etc lol

 

[Gunrunner]

also approx what BF would you say I am in that pic? Im horrible at estimating that..

Upper abs showing, noitcable shape but no real definition. I would say around 12%ish.

 

[Maven3]

Upper abs showing, noitcable shape but no real definition. I would say around 12%ish.

awesome thanks Gunrunner, I was a bit worried Id started this cycle with too much BF. I think because Im feeling ridiculously bloated right now. Ive had to buy a bunch of new clothes already

 

[skywalk]

also approx what BF would you say I am in that pic? Im horrible at estimating that..

top abs showing so i'd say around 13-14%

I know how you feel, gaining so much so fast, but believe me it's mostly water. it will mostly disappear once you get off the cycle. with your water weight going up so fast, it leads me to wonder whether your AI's are sufficient...don't let it get out of hand bro.

did you do pre cycle blood work, and are you all set for post-PCT blood work too?

awesome strength gains bro. watch out for the tendons!

 

[Gunrunner]

I know how you feel, gaining so much so fast, but believe me it's mostly water. it will mostly disappear once you get off the cycle. with your water weight going up so fast, it leads me to wonder whether your AI's are sufficient...don't let it get out of hand bro.

did you do pre cycle blood work, and are you all set for post-PCT blood work too?

I was thinking the same thing. That AI might be a little low. I had to up my dossage of Dex to .5mg EOD and I added 10mg of Tamo ED and the water just drained out of me. Noticable definition with this amount. However, a blood test would be best to see what you Estridiol level is. The Hormone Panel for Females at PrivateMDlabs is good deal if you're paying on your own. Use code ke8gbah to save 15% through Dec.

 

[Maven3]

Based on you guys recommendations Ive increased my AI. Currently doing .25 ED, instead of .25EOD. Or do you suggest to increase the dose to .5 and stick to EOD instead?

 

[Maven3]

DEC 5

Ok some updates, earlier this week I tried pinning my right ventroglute for the first time. Pretty nerve wracking as it took my forever to try and figure out where it was, and even then I was unsure. I identified the bulge that comes out of your hip when flexing and based on the pics and videos it seemed like the right area. Marked the area first then leaned my leg up on the bed and went straight in. Was really nervous because it just doesnt seem like a good spot. It actually was a difficult pin, it didnt go in as smooth as it does for my delts and glutes, but I persevered and stuck it all the way in and injected. So far it seems like it was a success. I had some pip but now, 3 days later it seems pretty ok already. Yesterday pinned my left delt for the 2nd time, it definitely seemed to go easier and today pip is much better than it was last week, delts might be my favorite place so far.

Did squats yesterday, decent sesh. Got a rep PR of 8 reps for 140kg. Would have increased the weight but the damned back pumps kicked in again. Hopefully the taurine will start working soon.

 

[skywalk]

DEC 5

Ok some updates, earlier this week I tried pinning my right ventroglute for the first time. Pretty nerve wracking as it took my forever to try and figure out where it was, and even then I was unsure. I identified the bulge that comes out of your hip when flexing and based on the pics and videos it seemed like the right area. Marked the area first then leaned my leg up on the bed and went straight in. Was really nervous because it just doesnt seem like a good spot. It actually was a difficult pin, it didnt go in as smooth as it does for my delts and glutes, but I persevered and stuck it all the way in and injected. So far it seems like it was a success. I had some pip but now, 3 days later it seems pretty ok already. Yesterday pinned my left delt for the 2nd time, it definitely seemed to go easier and today pip is much better than it was last week, delts might be my favorite place so far.

Did squats yesterday, decent sesh. Got a rep PR of 8 reps for 140kg. Would have increased the weight but the damned back pumps kicked in again. Hopefully the taurine will start working soon.

I dont understand...you've pinned your glutes before. now you're pinning your "ventroglutes?"

what's the difference? (aside from the fact that ventroglutes doesn't exist from an anatomical perspective) I ask this because most people refer to glutes, as "ventroglutes" so in your case, what's the difference?

 

[Maven3]

Hey skywalk, I thought this one was fairly basic? Maybe I should have more clear, previously I pinned my dorsogluteal muscle, or the buttock area. The ventrogluteal muscle is located on your hip. It is considered the ideal place for IM injections by the medical community apparently. It's also popular with a lot of bodybuilders as an injection site due to it's large size and easy of access, as compared t the dorsoglute.

 

[skywalk]

Hey skywalk, I thought this one was fairly basic? Maybe I should have more clear, previously I pinned my dorsogluteal muscle, or the buttock area. The ventrogluteal muscle is located on your hip. It is considered the ideal place for IM injections by the medical community apparently. It's also popular with a lot of bodybuilders as an injection site due to it's large size and easy of access, as compared t the dorsoglute.

read what dr Jim posted in this post: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134327324

there's only one place i'd pin in the glute, and although many call it the "ventroglute" it really doesn't exist. bro's merely name it this as a point of reference. you should be pinning slightly posterior and inferior to your iliac crest, which is more of the glute medius area. There is no ventroglute muscle.

where is this "dorsoglute" muscle you pinned? i've never heard of this.

 

[Maven3]

read what dr Jim posted in this post: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134327324

there's only one place i'd pin in the glute, and although many call it the "ventroglute" it really doesn't exist. bro's merely name it this as a point of reference. you should be pinning slightly posterior and inferior to your iliac crest, which is more of the glute medius area. There is no ventroglute muscle.

where is this "dorsoglute" muscle you pinned? i've never heard of this.

I think google can explain in far more detail, but from everything Ive read on most AAS boards, most guys are NOT pinning into the ventrogluteal area. They are pinning into the dorsogluteal area. Again, this is the buttock area, specifically in the upper corner quadrant. Have attached pics to make it easier

 

[Maven3]

may as well have a womens ass to illustrate better

 

[skywalk]

may as well have a womens ass to illustrate better

hahahah!!
you could have chosen a perkier butt!!!!

I see from the pic that dorsoglute includes all the posterior muscles, aka glute max, med and piriformis area. that's too vague....the 2nd pic is much better. And that "ventroglute" is more or less over the anterior portion of the glute medius, which is on the dorsal aspect of the body.

long story short, ignore anything to do with dorsoglute, and just pin where that red arrow is, which most people call the "ventroglute" and don't pin anywhere else.

how are your gains so far bro? still waiting for your reply about pre & post-cycle blood work.