Voting on Change

[dmt31]

What little accountability these sources have is in large part a reaction to their threads becoming war zones. Taking that away not only hurts the members here, but hurts the non members who stumble across threads and are able to see how the source interacts with his customers on a day in day out basis.

The answer doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. We really need to start thinking of a way to create a middle ground that builds on the progress that has been made here. Hitting a reset button is not going to work and quite frankly is a little too reactionary. We need to be better than thinking in absolute extremes.

 

[Marcus]

Yes

 

[Bradly]

no.

 

[Jruiz]

YES YES YES YES YES!!! apparently some of you like to play with fire and when and if you get burned don't expect Sympathy. We are all guilty of exposing ourselves to the world wide Web but this shit needs to change and it's only to protect our community. This shit isn't Walmart online ! Enough with the desperate acts of finding gear how bout you jokers actually lift some fucking weight and eat some damn chicken instead of sitting around mommas house scarfing oreos! THIS Is NOT Directed Towards specific members but Geez when are we gonna open our damn eyes and realize what we are doing ??

 

[Ultimatepip]

YES YES YES YES YES!!! apparently some of you like to play with fire and when and if you get burned don't expect Sympathy. We are all guilty of exposing ourselves to the world wide Web but this shit needs to change and it's only to protect our community. This shit isn't Walmart online ! Enough with the desperate acts of finding gear how bout you jokers actually lift some fucking weight and eat some damn chicken instead of sitting around mommas house scarfing oreos! THIS Is NOT Directed Towards specific members but Geez when are we gonna open our damn eyes and realize what we are doing ??

I'm pretty sure the name of this game IS "playing with fire"

 

[Millard]

IDK

IDC

@Millard Baker needs to take a position and enforce it.

I've taken a position. It's the same position I've had for years. It seems very few people are listening.

I'm really getting tired of people pleading and begging for big brother to rush in and save the day with a nanny state. Surely, there are enough people who welcome the responsibility?

 

[Millard]

I really am amzed nobody thinks there is room for improvement.

Meso is a great and I've learned so much from this forum but things need to improve a bit.

I agree. So much resistance...

Brut - I am assuming (maybe incorrectly) that everyone here would agree with you that there is room for improvement (I would hope). But without seeing particulars and details of WHAT the improvements are, it's gonna be a tough sell to get people to go along with it.

Isn't that what we're doing in this and parallel threads? Engaging in a dialogue about specific suggestions for improvement?

 

[Millard]

Instead of these threads we need someone to stand up and take action be a leader because as I expect Millard does not want any part of this. This wasn't his intentions on running this forum. His intentions are clearly to allow us to promote a customer first orientation regarding steroid products.

And I'm not going to be that leader.

I'm opposed to any dictatorial approach. I have some ideas and proposals that I've outlined. I want the ideas to lead the way. Any proposals should succeed on their own merit.

A lot people like being told what to do. It's not the approach I envision for MESO. I hope MESO attracts critical thinkers rather than followers.

 

[pmac928]

I'm just waiting to hear that one idea that we can all run with. What it seems we are saying ether completely not work or have Been done only with the same outcome. I'm at a loss I just don't know what our best course of action is right now.these sources are still going to come. And hope we are prepared they do.

 

[Millard]

I purpose that if you would like change (example: No open sourcing) please post "YES".

If you are happy with the way the forum operates now then please post "NO"

I can't give you a simple yes or no answer.

YES, I am VERY HAPPY with the way the forum is currently operating.

YES, I want to CHANGE the forum because there is room for IMPROVEMENT and I want to make it BETTER.

NO, I don't like sources spamming the forum as if it were a sales platform.

YES, I think sources should be allowed to participate in discussion and answer member questions.

 

[dper726]

I'm opposed to any dictatorial approach. I have some ideas and proposals that I've outlined. I want the ideas to lead the way. Any proposals should succeed on their own merit.

A lot people like being told what to do. It's not the approach I envision for MESO. I hope MESO attracts critical thinkers rather than followers.

I certainly don't like to be told what to do. And I'm a leader before a follower I just don't have the time to put into this full effort at the moment. A lot others seem more interested from the threads I am looking into lately. I would not mind contributing. My point was people need to stop sitting back and pointing the finger at change. The power is readily available here to make that change.

 

[brutus79]

@brutus79 you're funny as hell brother...but change is never good in my opinion.. let's put it this way..when I first found meso I weighed 195, now I'm 235 benching almost 400lbs..just saying...lol

Sounds like change to me

 

[heady muscle]

I'm opposed to any dictatorial approach. I have some ideas and proposals that I've outlined. I want the ideas to lead the way. Any proposals should succeed on their own merit.

A lot people like being told what to do. It's not the approach I envision for MESO. I hope MESO attracts critical thinkers rather than followers.

And that is exactly why I love MESO! Thank you Millard!

 

[weighted chinup]

This discussion and debate is still in its infancy.

It's too early to be making decisions and giving ultimatums to sources.

It is also too early to be taking polls, and the solution has very little to do with a yes or no attitude to sourcing , but I do like these threads regardless simply because it promotes further debate, so I have no issues with the threads being made as a response to the discussion that started in other threads.

This isn't really a matter of having sources or not, or enforcement vs no enforcement, or whatever guys are making it out to be.

Also, the whole legality aspect I see being mentioned in other threads I think is being blown out of proportion too, its as if guys think Meso is one more new amateur source away from being raided. It's good to keep in mind the nature of your activities, but I can't help but feel its just adding unnecessary cause for alarm, and is pointing the discussion in the wrong direction too.

The solution is promoting a change in culture among Meso members. Drop the eagerness to give every new bathtub a chance to make his million, and stop thinking in extremes and absolutes.

That is where the discussion should be focused on at this stage.

We can have sources participate in discussion without trying to peddle their wares, it's not laughable or crazy like some guys make it out to be. Things aren't always black and white, thinking in extremes is counter productive.

 

[heady muscle]

This discussion and debate is still in its infancy.

It's too early to be making decisions and giving ultimatums to sources.

It is also too early to be taking polls, and the solution has very little to do with a yes or no attitude to sourcing , but I do like these threads regardless simply because it promotes further debate, so I have no issues with the threads being made as a response to the discussion that started in other threads.

This isn't really a matter of having sources or not, or enforcement vs no enforcement, or whatever guys are making it out to be.

Also, the whole legality aspect I see being mentioned in other threads I think is being blown out of proportion too, its as if guys think Meso is one more new amateur source away from being raided. It's good to keep in mind the nature of your activities, but I can't help but feel its just adding unnecessary cause for alarm, and is pointing the discussion in the wrong direction too.

The solution is promoting a change in culture among Meso members. Drop the eagerness to give every new bathtub a chance to make his million, and stop thinking in extremes and absolutes.

That is where the discussion should be focused on at this stage.

We can have sources participate in discussion without trying to peddle their wares, it's not laughable or crazy like some guys make it out to be. Things aren't always black and white, thinking in extremes is counter productive.

Very well said.

 

[pmac928]

Sources are coming ere for one reason only. It's highly unlikely that they will want to engage in discussion if they won't be able to sell there product here. Also people are going to do what they do. People will always jump at the opportunity to grab some gear even if it is an unknown source, members have proven that time and again. These polls are a good start to see where everybody stands and to get a general idea of what direction we want our forum to go.

 

[dper726]

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/new-source-code-of-conduct-rough-draft.134356438/page-13

If you want SCOC go here and start reading and adding your input.

 

[heady muscle]

Sources are coming ere for one reason only. It's highly unlikely that they will want to engage in discussion if they won't be able to sell there product here.

I am sure there are already are sources involved in the conversation.

I agree, people are going to do what they want. And maybe that is the most integral piece of this debate. Personal responsibility needs to be taken first. Choice is a freedom which needs to be used with caution in every aspect of life. Especially with dealing with the nature of our aas beast.

But I thought the point of MESO was to help each other out and create a support system no matter if it is training ideas, nutrition or dealing with sources. Maybe I misinterpreted the situation here.

Most of us on other boards. Other board srcs hate MESO. It would seem to me what we have been doing is effective.

 

[hotdog23]

I've taken a position. It's the same position I've had for years. It seems very few people are listening.

I'm really getting tired of people pleading and begging for big brother to rush in and save the day with a nanny state. Surely, there are enough people who welcome the responsibility?

I ain't beggin for shit. And yes plenty of your DO-boys are assuming the responsibility and leading the crusade for whatever cause they concocted from your musings.

... it's an epic cluster fuck. I respect your rigid stance on "big brother" and censorship - that is why we are here. But without a stance and concise leadership, this infant revolution will drown in it's bathtub... Or worse, continue the way it has.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

Sable had a good idea on the Other thread. When a new source posts up they should recieve a label other than a member label instead of junior member I think they should start out "scammer" or "unverified" and have to earn "source". And no one should be grandfathered in they all should be made to follow scoc and only lose the bad label through bloods,ms/hplc and feedback from members.