Wait time between reps?

[Bob Smith]

I recently heard on the news that 1 in 10 members of the Catholic Church's Heirarchy has a direct connection to the child molestation scandal. That is either directly molested a child or helped cover it up.

I havent heard that number or how they figured it. But I wouldnt be too surprised if it were true.

Either way, what do you do when obviously a large % (certainly higher than in the general populace) of the powers at your supposedly moral institution rape children?

Im sure we could debate this. From what I have heard, the % of molesting priests is pretty similar to the % within the entire population.

How do you rectify that w/ your idea of morality?

Its disgusting, whether by a clergy person or buy some random Joe on the street. Both molesters should be executed. My beliefs of morality do not include molesting children.

RELIGIOUS AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL IDEAS UPON THE REST OF THE "NORMAL POPULACE" I'M OK.

What is unconstitutional?

Last weekend in TX there was a KKK rally. The TX KKK's current ideas are well aligned w/ the Christian Conservative Right in ideas.

Im sure there are some similarities since the KKK calls themselves a Christian organization. But my Christian beliefs abotu different races is the polar opposite of the KKK's. I dont know where they came up with the idea that whites should be the only people (or only people in power), but I dont recall reading that in my Bible.

Bob, like our founding fathers I truly believe in Religious Freedom but this also applys to everyone in America, not just Waspy Christians.

My belief in God doesnt infringe upon a single person's ability to worship or not worship as they choose. It is the intolerant liberals (who call themselves tolerant) that are trying to eradicate any religious mention in public. That IS infringing on my ability to worship as I choose.

In my eyes, the CCR epitomizes everything that is unAmerican.

How so?

No tolerance, ideas that go directly against what our very wise Founding Fathers planned for this nation.

The founding fathers were quite the religious group. Its interesting that you (and others) bring up the Founding Fathers, when the founding fathers very clearly made their beliefs known. Look at any original document, there are mentions of a Creator, God, faith, etc everywhere you look. Their belief wasnt in keeping God out of government, but keeping government out of God. Look at the English society they detested and left in order to start America. The English government controlled the church, they established a national church (The Anglican Church). That is FAR different than what the liberals would have everyoen believe.

 

[Buff Diddy]

I read this in a muscle magazine a while back, dont know what magazine srry. but ne ways it said something along the lines of
wait 45 second in between sets if u want that "cut" look
1 min between for size
1.5 min between for strength....
any truth or bs? and if bs, what is a good wait time?

That formula seems to be true imo. I have been lifting using 1 min rests for quite some time. I have been getting bigger but not too much stronger. I'm a bodybuilder not a powerlifter so that is my goal. I figure I'm already strong enough for all practical purposes and don't really care how much I lift. It's all about what you see in the mirror and what others see. I'd rather look good all day long than just in the gym when hoisting extremely heavy weight. The only that you left out is the amount of reps which generally is like 15-20 for cuts, 8-12 for size and 4-6 for strength. That combined with timed rests should give you the results you want.

 

[Grizzly]

Im sure there are some similarities since the KKK calls themselves a Christian organization. But my Christian beliefs abotu different races is the polar opposite of the KKK's. I dont know where they came up with the idea that whites should be the only people (or only people in power), but I dont recall reading that in my Bible.



My belief in God doesnt infringe upon a single person's ability to worship or not worship as they choose. It is the intolerant liberals (who call themselves tolerant) that are trying to eradicate any religious mention in public. That IS infringing on my ability to worship as I choose.


The founding fathers were quite the religious group. Its interesting that you (and others) bring up the Founding Fathers, when the founding fathers very clearly made their beliefs known. Look at any original document, there are mentions of a Creator, God, faith, etc everywhere you look. Their belief wasnt in keeping God out of government, but keeping government out of God. Look at the English society they detested and left in order to start America. The English government controlled the church, they established a national church (The Anglican Church). That is FAR different than what the liberals would have everyoen believe.

You are very mistaken on that. They most certainly, 1000000000000%, wanted to eliminate theocracy, ie Keep God out of Government.

One could argue that Christianity tries to elevate the white man. Personally, (and I was actually going to make a thread about this) I find it odd that a bunch of Middle-Easten Jews had names like Peter, Paul and John. I also find it very odd that Jesus, in ALL depictions, is a white guy with blue eyes. Again, quite odd considering he was a middle-eastern Jew.

 

[Bob Smith]

You are very mistaken on that. They most certainly, 1000000000000%, wanted to eliminate theocracy, ie Keep God out of Government.

Then why does nearly every single document they produced make reference, or multiple references, to God?

 

[hendrixsolo]

One could argue that Christianity tries to elevate the white man. Personally, (and I was actually going to make a thread about this) I find it odd that a bunch of Middle-Easten Jews had names like Peter, Paul and John. I also find it very odd that Jesus, in ALL depictions, is a white guy with blue eyes. Again, quite odd considering he was a middle-eastern Jew.

One could argue that, but I don't think the argument holds water.

As far as Jesus goes, he was a hasidic Jew. Have you met a hasidic Jew before? Try to pick them out of a line up with white guys...you'll never tell. And yes, they can have blue eyes, but I don't recall anything in the Bible about Jesus having blue eyes so that's a moot point...

As far as the names go, is it hard to believe that Peter or Paul is a name with eastern origins? You're kind of feeding stereotypes by assuming it's a white name. If I told you my name was Jerome, are you going to think I'm black? What about Jesus, do you think his name was changed by a Mexican supremacy group?

Being middle eastern doesn't necessarily mean being named Muhammad with a turban in a 7-11...although it is curiously common...

 

[Beefster]

But how long do I wait between sets?

BTW, I enjoy reading religious discussions and hearing others viewpoints.

 

[Grizzly]

Then why does nearly every single document they produced make reference, or multiple references, to God?

Whether they believed or not has NOTHING to do with the establishment of a "Christian state". And, again, the most prominent fathers were Deists, so your assertions that they want all of us to love the baby Jesus are flat out wrong. And when I'm done fucking around on other boards, I'll post some great quotes from guys like Thomas Jefferson talking about how much he hates religion.

 

[Bob Smith]

Whether they believed or not has NOTHING to do with the establishment of a "Christian state". And, again, the most prominent fathers were Deists, so your assertions that they want all of us to love the baby Jesus are flat out wrong. And when I'm done fucking around on other boards, I'll post some great quotes from guys like Thomas Jefferson talking about how much he hates religion.

I didnt say a "Christian state," I said they included "God" in nearly everything. Again, I think you are wrong in your assumptions about God out of govt.

 

[Grizzly]

"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." - John Adams

"...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, 'Jesus Christ...the holy author of our religion,' which was rejected 'By a great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every denomination.'" - Thomas Jefferson (I find this one to be extraordinarily pertinent to this conversation)

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." -Thomas Jefferson

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." -James Madison

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of....Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and of my own part, I disbelieve them all." -Thomas Paine

These are just a few. There are many more, but these are the ones I grabbed because they were pretty good for this discussion. The rest can be found at
http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6177

 

[Grizzly]

I didnt say a "Christian state," I said they included "God" in nearly everything. Again, I think you are wrong in your assumptions about God out of govt.

Nope, I'm not. And I know you didn't say that, but that's what your agenda is. That's what your implications are.

 

[Bob Smith]

You wrongly assumed that I said a "Christian state." Go back and read what I wrote, it didnt say anything about a specifically Christian state.

 

[Bob Smith]

Regarding Jefferson:

[FONT=arial,]The Baptist Association had written to President Jefferson regarding a "rumor that a particular denomination was soon to be recognized as the national denomination." Jefferson responded to calm their fears by assuring them that the federal government would not establish any single denomination of Christianity as the National denomination. He wrote: "The First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between Church and State."

That specifically says that there would be no state-controlled church, which is exactly what the English had done with the Anglican Church. The arguement is AGAINST government establishing a church but says absolutely nothing about Christians or Jews or whoever practicing their faith in public, and including public buildings.
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[Grizzly]

You wrongly assumed that I said a "Christian state." Go back and read what I wrote, it didnt say anything about a specifically Christian state.

I know you didn't and I didn't wrongly assume that you said it. It's YOUR, personal, agenda. Whether you said it or not, is irrelevant. YOU want the 10 commandments, nationalized Christmas holidays, etc. You don't want the Koran on the walls and Ramadan off from work.

 

[Bob Smith]

[FONT=arial,]U.S. Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 3:[/FONT]

[FONT=arial,] The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


Again, that is showing their views against a state-sponsored religion.[/FONT]​

 

[Bob Smith]

I know you didn't and I didn't wrongly assume that you said it. It's YOUR, personal, agenda. Whether you said it or not, is irrelevant. YOU want the 10 commandments, nationalized Christmas holidays, etc. You don't want the Koran on the walls and Ramadan off from work.

You are talking about two different issues. Yes, I would certainly rather see the 10 commandments hung on the wall rather than the Koran. That is my personal view.

Legally speaking though, the Jews and Chritians and whoever else shouldnt be barred from public displays of faith.

 

[Grizzly]

And while you might, maybe, though I doubt it, be capable of differentiating the two, this argument always is a cover for inserting religion into government. It always goes like this:

"The founding father's believed in God. They said it all the time. This is a Christian nation. Therefore, what was really supposed to happen is that Christian theology is supposed to be expressed in legislative words. God says that men can't fuck men, so we should make that a law. Because that's how Thomas Jefferson wanted it."

While a great many of the colonists were Christians, the "Founding Fathers" were, predominantly, a group of Deists which truly means that the gov't was not based on Christianity.

 

[Bob Smith]

And while you might, maybe, though I doubt it, be capable of differentiating the two, this argument always is a cover for inserting religion into government. It always goes like this:

"The founding father's believed in God. They said it all the time. This is a Christian nation. Therefore, what was really supposed to happen is that Christian theology is supposed to be expressed in legislative words. God says that men can't fuck men, so we should make that a law. Because that's how Thomas Jefferson wanted it."

While a great many of the colonists were Christians, the "Founding Fathers" were, predominantly, a group of Deists which truly means that the gov't was not based on Christianity.

I dont disagree with you on that. I dont believe there should be a state-sponsored religion, even if it were Christianity. I dont want the govt in my paycheck, and I certainly dont want them in my faith. Would I rather have a conservative politician or judge as opposed to a liberal, absolutely. But thats on an individual level and not a govt or policy issue.

 

[hendrixsolo]

In every quote posted by the founding fathers, the predominant theme is tolerance of other religions and beliefs. They mention Christianity only to compare it to other religions and state that one is not more relevant than the other.

You keep saying that Thomas Jefferson and many other founding fathers were Deists, and were opposed to or hated Religion. Deism is a religion, and yes they believe in a creator.

"Deism is based on nature, the laws of nature, and the creation, it is a natural religion as opposed to revealed or man-made artificial religion."

So I guess I'm not following your argument, I don't get your point...?

The founding fathers wanted everyone to be able to worship as they wished, and they made it clear they wanted a separation of church and state...so what are you mad about again?

 

[Grizzly]

Deism is not a religion. It is a belief in a god, but there are no rules, regulations and all the other shit associated with religions.

No, I said they were opposed to religion in government. What those who point out their belief in a god (NOT the Christian god, as demonstrated above) are trying to do is provide a foothold for the institutionalization of religion. They are trying to create a Christian theocracy. That is what I'm mad about.

 

[Bob Smith]

Hendrix, in the future, please quote whoever you are responding to. A general statement with no quoting is a pain in the butt to read and figure out who/what youre talking about. Thanks.