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[HIGHRISK]

Its not silly at all. A slight change of mentality and that 6,000 lb 4x4 becomes possibly the deadliest weapon available. And certainly easiest to obtain.
I could volunteer at a food kitchen and spike the food bins with anthrax. Perhaps we should ban public eateries?
I could mail 30 ppl a day with an explosive UPS package. Perhaps we should ban the mailbox?
I could pack my USMC issue kbar under my shirt and perform well executed attacks on random ppl anywhere. Perhaps we should ban steak knives?
I could replace my boot laces with rip chord and use them as weapons of opportunity against some one or any one during the course of my day. My bet is i could physically decapitate some one with my strength and size. Perhaps we should ban boots to prevent this from becoming a possibility?
I could buy a louisville slugger and get me a driver and play hit and runs with peoples melons just for fun. Perhaps we should ban bats? Hell! Ban baseball!
I could buy a paintball gun and load it with musket balls and shoot people dead easy as pie. Perhaps we should ban paintball guns? Hell, ban any tiny steel ball while your at it!
I could buy a .17 bb gun and hook a big air tank to it and shoot 3000 ft/second. Wont even hear it go off. Perhaps we should ban bb guns?
I could buy 20 gal of gas at the valero and decide it would be funnier if i just poured it on somebody and lit a match. Perhaps we should ban fuel?
I could ask to spot you on bench and decide im just going to punch you in the windpipe rendering you physically impossible to breathe and then beat his head in with a 45 lb plate. Perhaps we should ban spotters? Barbells? Plates?...Gyms?

What do all these have in common?
Human nature.
And ZERO of them could be prevented. Even by banning them

WELL SAID!
The exact fucking argument I have all the time! Make all the rules and regulations but you can't prevent crazy.

 

[Rockclimber]

 

[Super Charge]

And hunting.

And target practice - within inanimate targets - without the need of hearing protection.

And, though you may consider this "human target practice", there's also home defense. Try firing any gun in a hallway without hearing protection. You will go deaf temporarily... something that could get you killed in that particular situation.

Bring hearing protection for target practice. I don't go skiing without a jacket.
Hunt as others have for thousands of years, without a silencer.
If you fire a gun in a hallway you should have hit your target or at least deafen them also.
I'm not against guns but something has to change guys. To deny that is ignorrant. It's becoming a trend rapidly to kill random people. Maybe more mental health treatment available would help. Idk. God forbid, If it happens to your family may be you'll feel differently.

 

[Docd187123]

I would be interesting to see someone caught with gear in TX
say to the judge
'I was having constant gay thoughts, couldn't get any doctor to help
so I bought male hormones to man myself up, I'm just following my religious beliefs: God made me born male and wish to remain so...'
and getting away with it
not far fetched IMO.

My morning shit has more purpose in life than your entire existence does.

 

[Docd187123]

There are countless gun control laws already in place. Know what the problem is? Criminals don't give a flying fuck about laws.

We should bring back public executions. When we catch these killers, rapists, pedophiles, etc., make their executions part of the nightly news and all kinds of violent crimes will go down.

Since criminals don't give a fuck about the law, lets repeal all the laws on murder and rape, theft, etc. a stupid criminal isn't going to be deterred by a petty law....

Executions are on the news all the time. The death penalty has never deterred criminals. Did you already forget your own words that criminals don't follow the laws.

Regardless, you're arguing your right to own a gun should not be infringed upon yet you also argue an even more basic right, the right to life, be infringed upon regularly and publicly. Irony doesn't even begin to describe this situation lol

 

[Super Charge]

This is kinda a sore subject for me now as I've been watching the local news of the shooting 20 miles from my home a few weeks ago. Little kids dead, teachers dead, families blown apart to never feel normal again. The kid didn't bring a knife, shoe laces, a bomb, or a truck. He used an assault rifle. Gfys's... ... I'm outta this conversation

 

[HIGHRISK]

Bring hearing protection for target practice. I don't go skiing without a jacket.
Hunt as others have for thousands of years, without a silencer.
If you fire a gun in a hallway you should have hit your target or at least deafen them also.
I'm not against guns but something has to change guys. To deny that is ignorrant. It's becoming a trend rapidly to kill random people. Maybe more mental health treatment available would help. Idk. God forbid, If it happens to your family may be you'll feel differently.

Half of your post is correct. This has nothing to do guns or gun laws. It has everything to do with mental health. It like the war on terror. It can never be won never! You can make it harder to get on planes and into stadiums but then they'll just start running over crowds of people with pick ups or Uhaul. What's next? Banning crowds of people? Lol

You can't fight a enemy you can't see
"mental health" as @gr8whitetrukker said basically. What are you gonna do? Ban axes,shovels,hammers,steak knives, Uhaul trucks?

 

[HIGHRISK]

This is kinda a sore subject for me now as I've been watching the local news of the shooting 20 miles from my home a few weeks ago. Little kids dead, teachers dead, families blown apart to never feel normal again. The kid didn't bring a knife, shoe laces, a bomb, or a truck. He used an assault rifle. Gfys's... ... I'm outta this conversation

What if he brought a glock with a extended 30 round mag? Would you feel the same about the glock as you do the AR? Same rate of fire. Except .45 vs. .223 not much difference at close range.

 

[Super Charge]

Sucked back in.....................

SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE!!!!!!???? What?? Idk....
I didn't say take everyone guns, never.. once there is an influx of hammer and steak knife mass killings bring that point back up. Until then it's irrelevant.

This all started with a good post about why to have a gun, to defend your community. Derailed..

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Your rights are being infringed upon probably every single day in one way or another Trukk. I think you just care about the guns more than most of the other ways your rights are being infringed upon.

There is no reason I can come up with to take away your right to own a firearm. You're a war vet, a good family man, and just an all around good dude. That doesn't mean I don't think certain limits and/or regulations can't be adopted for the better.

Are background checks better than nothing? I would not want a criminal being able to walk around and buy any gun of his choice at any gun store. At the same time, I'm not foolish enough to believe it's a 100% effective strategy to removing guns from the hands of a criminal. It's just one layer of protection. You made an analogy to AAS earlier. It's illegal but we still get it at the click of a button. Some of the criminals, just like some potential AAS users, will decide the risk isn't worth the reward. Obviously not everyone will be deterred but to say no one will be deterred is just as ridiculous.

I'm sure there are other alternatives to helpin make this a safer country with less gun violence but both sides will have to drop the rhetoric and be willing to compromise on certain issues. Idk if that's possible considering ppl are so entrenched in their personal beliefs but that's another topic.

Yes at some point one does have to concede that there's no way to 100% stop gun violence, or violence of any kind really, but to use that as an excuse to not even try is basically the ultimate excuse. I'm not sayin you're guilty of that, just speaking generally.

Because without our guns the rest of our rights will soon be taken in haste

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Sucked back in.....................

SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE!!!!!!???? What?? Idk....
I didn't say take everyone guns, never.. once there is an influx of hammer and steak knife mass killings bring that point back up. Until then it's irrelevant.

This all started with a good post about why to have a gun, to defend your community. Derailed..

I like more stringent clearances for guns. I like zero tolerance LE strategy for misdemeanors and felonies so they may not legally have one.

I dont like registrations, licenses to carry conceiled or open when i am a clean law abiding citizen

 

[HIGHRISK]

Sucked back in.....................

SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE!!!!!!???? What?? Idk....
I didn't say take everyone guns, never.. once there is an influx of hammer and steak knife mass killings bring that point back up. Until then it's irrelevant.

This all started with a good post about why to have a gun, to defend your community. Derailed..

I agree something needs to change but again we are dogs chasing our tails here. There's no laws that can stop a person from going crazy and shooting up crowds one.
My bro has a extensive gun collection from 50cal on down to many many AR and hand guns. 23 yrs in the Air Force so far and never been I trouble obviously a day in his life. What if 10 years from now he has a life changing event that mentally he can't handle like loses his whole family who got caught in a shoot out between cops and bad guys. God for bid. After that mentally he's unstable now and dicides that all cops must die because they killed his family. So now he starts setting up and picking off cops with his AR..

What law or regulation or preventative measure could we have taken to not have this happen? None you can't predict things like that and if there's no visible signs of crazy then there's no way of knowing...

If they start taking our guns there will be an influx in other ways killings will happen. That was my analogy about how it's hard to get on planes now so the terrorist stop using planes and started using other methods because we took that method away from them.

 

[Docd187123]

Because without our guns the rest of our rights will soon be taken in haste

Your right to free speech has been taken away while youve had the guns. Your right to life can be taken away whether you have a gun or not. Your right against unlawful search and seizure gets violated daily yet the guns you have haven't stopped that from happening. Asset seizure, checkpoints hundreds of miles away from the border, indefinite detention, etc is ALL happening Trukk and your gun has yet to stop a single one of those rights from being taken away.

I'm not saying that a person's guns should be taken away bc all these rights have been taken away already while we still have guns, rather that they haven't stopped anyone from violating you of many of your rights.

 

[Docd187123]

I agree something needs to change but again we are dogs chasing our tails here. There's no laws that can stop a person from going crazy and shooting up crowds one.
My bro has a extensive gun collection from 50cal on down to many many AR and hand guns. 23 yrs in the Air Force so far and never been I trouble obviously a day in his life. What if 10 years from now he has a life changing event that mentally he can't handle like loses his whole family who got caught in a shoot out between cops and bad guys. God for bid. After that mentally he's unstable now and dicides that all cops must die because they killed his family. So now he starts setting up and picking off cops with his AR..

What law or regulation or preventative measure could we have taken to not have this happen? None you can't predict things like that and if there's no visible signs of crazy then there's no way of knowing...

If they start taking our guns there will be an influx in other ways killings will happen. That was my analogy about how it's hard to get on planes now so the terrorist stop using planes and started using other methods because we took that method away from them.

Just bc something is not 100% effective at preventing something doesn't mean you give up trying to better the situation.

 

[HIGHRISK]

Just bc something is not 100% effective at preventing something doesn't mean you give up trying to better the situation.

It's not even 10% effective

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Your right to free speech has been taken away while youve had the guns. Your right to life can be taken away whether you have a gun or not. Your right against unlawful search and seizure gets violated daily yet the guns you have haven't stopped that from happening. Asset seizure, checkpoints hundreds of miles away from the border, indefinite detention, etc is ALL happening Trukk and your gun has yet to stop a single one of those rights from being taken away.

Im confused...? Whos rights? The law abiding citizen or the potential criminal in custody? Ive never had those things happen to ME or anyone i KNOW. Whos rights? The asshole who knows damn well hes got coke in his car and is stomping up and down and being beligerent with LE about why he was pulled over? Cuz his ass was speeding. Then they suspected some thing and found coke? This what your talking about?

Right to life? As in death penalty? For an assumed guilty verdict?

My GUN gives me a fair chance at defending my family and property against criminals. Is this my right to life as well? Well...it just makes things...easier and less hands on.
You know all these states that have adopted these silly antigun laws are oddly enough all the ones with the highest murder rates and biggest criminal issues.
Chicago
NY
CT
CA

To name some of the biggest ones anyway. Take away Hollywood and the money it generates and you got a sweeping failure rate on all fronts from liberal held states. Liberal held views on how states should be run economically and what laws they choose to enforce. Including gun laws.

The conservative approach is better. Clearly. I left NY and that massive abortion behind from restrictive liberal govt on economics down to gun laws for LESS govt and more opportunity here in TX. Ive lived it and i know it. They cant hold any business upstate if they fuckin wanted too. Residents are leaving.

Yes, more liberal govt in liberal held states. Seems to be working

 

[Docd187123]

It's not even 10% effective

Can you cite where you got that statistic from?

 

[Homebrew Homeboy]

There is no practical reason in this day and age to possess an a assault weapon style platform. Who the fuk needs a scoped AR. Or M-4, M-16, AK. You don't. There's no practical purpose for civilians to have them.

Cane, I like you bro and always have, so no disrespect meant here, but you're dead wrong.

I'm a proud combat vet with multiple tours of duty as a Marine, and live fairly close to where this shooting just occurred in Texas, but I'll be the first to tell you civilians need to be packing heat. Real heat. Ever been through a real hurricane? The aftermath that follows? Hordes of thugs raiding and looting neighborhoods? Better believe I'm protecting me and mine. Your single shot 410 aint gonna cut it against those assholes.

That may be a stupid example, but the true reason civilians need true firepower, is the exact reason the 2nd amendment was installed to begin with: to protect ordinary citizens from a tyrannical government. Your pump action isn't gonna do shit against a trained rifleman, if the shit ever hits the fan.

The problem here is not the firearms, it's the fact that they end up in the wrong hands. You can't limit law abiding citizens' rights in reaction to a criminal's intentions, all you're doing is limiting the law abiding citizen's ability to protect themselves, the criminal doesn't give a fuck about the law, that's why they're a criminal.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Cane, I like you bro and always have, so no disrespect meant here, but you're dead wrong.

I'm a proud combat vet with multiple tours of duty as a Marine, and live fairly close to where this shooting just occurred in Texas, but I'll be the first to tell you civilians need to be packing heat. Real heat. Ever been through a real hurricane? The aftermath that follows? Hordes of thugs raiding and looting neighborhoods? Better believe I'm protecting me and mine. Your single shot 410 aint gonna cut it against those assholes.

That may be a stupid example, but the true reason civilians need true firepower, is the exact reason the 2nd amendment was installed to begin with: to protect ordinary citizens from a tyrannical government. Your pump action isn't gonna do shit against a trained rifleman, if the shit ever hits the fan.

The problem here is not the firearms, it's the fact that they end up in the wrong hands. You can't limit law abiding citizens' rights in reaction to a criminal's intentions, all you're doing is limiting the law abiding citizen's ability to protect themselves, the criminal doesn't give a fuck about the law, that's why they're a criminal.

We dont need a practical reaaon to own a semi auto rifle with 30 rounds in a magazine. Same as anyone doesnt need a practical reason to drive a 500hp mustang. We do because we can and thats that

 

[Homebrew Homeboy]

We dont need a practical reaaon to own a semi auto rifle with 30 rounds in a magazine. Same as anyone doesnt need a practical reason to drive a 500hp mustang. We do because we can and thats that

Correct, but the fact is, we DO have a practical reason. Anyone with a history book can tell you why. Can you imagine how different this country would be if civilians were not allowed to carry similar weaponry to the redcoats during the revolution? A bunch of farmers with pitchforks getting blown apart? We wouldn't even be our own country.