Ways to identify oil in injectable

[Ursamajor]

They actually do differ bro. If I use GSO subq I get red lumps under skin and burning when I inject that's why I stick with CSO I cant even tell I pinned anything and that's with 0.5 per pin. So yes people react different to carrier oils. Some are even allergic

Thanks, that's helpful. Yea luckily I've found a very good product, and I hope it will be available long term.

 

[jstarks11]

I've used two UG enanthate medications SubQ. One gives me itches, knots, and red skin, the other works like a charm, so it would be great to know how they differ. I've asked the creators, but they don't reply. I suspect it is the oil that is the issue, but it could be something else, maybe BA? I guess I wont know until I start brewing myself.

Okay, now if you are saying that you have used 2 DIFFERENT UG's test then most certainly they can differ. I mean, ALOT of bros don't use MUCH if ANY BB in Test E cause you don't need it really. However, I ALWAYS use BB in Test E regardless. Or for example, some brewers try to get their gear as LIGHT as possible yet also stay away from MCT and or EO or Mig... So they end up choosing a LIGHTER color carrier oil. And it just so happens that I have seen some VERY light peanut oil and safflower oil. So in the case that one of the UGL's you have used, happen to use peanut oil and you have peanut allergies then BOOM there is your problem. Or EO could be the culprit. If you are speaking on using multiple different UGL's then there is an endless amount of reasons as to your reactions. Things could be "dirty" in one of the UGL's you're using. Hence you are getting inflammation caused by your bodies reaction in fighting off bacteria. And appearantly in each instance your body is winning because it is not turning into full blown infection... Not saying that is whats happening. Just an option.
Either way, find a UGL that has good shit that vibes with your body and stick with them. Brewing is cool and all, but in order to do it right and also buying raws from a REAL reputable source you are going to have minimum amount orders and that is going to FAR out number the amounts you need for personal use. Plus the cost of equipment to DO IT RIGHT in conjunction with greater concequences if ratted on or whatever else can go wrong... Just not outweighing the benefits honestly. Using the small time supplies that are sold for small batches and lesser quantity brews I have found to be inferior to the large scale brewers equipment. I have brewed from all different standpoints and I have NEVER had milky gear, crashing gear, and any other problems when brewing on LARGE scale with 100 plus dollar filters for ONE batch etc... But brewing with syringe filters and water baths and the things that SMALL brewers use to do affordable and practical batches for personal use... That is where I ended up with milky gear, crashing gear, and other shit. Now I have had good success on small brews as well, but most all the fuckups I have had have come with the equipment for small brewing. That stuff is just not made as TOUGH as large scale filters and the like.
But alas, most people have to find out for themselves so if in the case you do decide to brew, post a thread up on it and I will help you as much as you need and I can.

 

[Ursamajor]

Thanks jstarks11, very helpful. Not sure exactly the reaction is, if it is just general intolerance, allergic reaction, or full on infection. But I doubt it is infection, or the area would feel warm and I would get headache or fever. It's been three weeks since I injected the bad test E. Most injection sites have healed up, but I still have red a few bruises, knots and blisters. But I feel ok. FYI, the bad gear was brand Phenom, and the good gear that I'm on now is Aburaihan. Both bought from the same reputable online shop. BTW, I'm on TRT, not BB.

 

[Ursamajor]

Now I know it contains Ethyl Oleate. I've seen others complaining about EO as well, so that's probably what I am sensitive to.

 

[Sworder]

Now I know it contains Ethyl Oleate. I've seen others complaining about EO as well, so that's probably what I am sensitive to.

Jesus man are you still going on about this?

Stop being a b!tch! Or send me the gear since you can't handle it.

 

[jstarks11]

Now I know it contains Ethyl Oleate. I've seen others complaining about EO as well, so that's probably what I am sensitive to.

I used to make gear back in the day for many of my bros. Then I started getting request for High dose test and deca etc. I would have hard times getting it to hold in solution so I started using EO to get things to hold. That lasted ONE batch because out of say 10 bros I was brewing for 2 of them started having major problems with the EO and I decided it just was not worth fucking with. I simply refused to make and provide super high dosed gear. Even a fair amount of people have probs with Mig and Captex.

 

[Ursamajor]

I used to make gear back in the day for many of my bros. Then I started getting request for High dose test and deca etc. I would have hard times getting it to hold in solution so I started using EO to get things to hold. That lasted ONE batch because out of say 10 bros I was brewing for 2 of them started having major problems with the EO and I decided it just was not worth fucking with. I simply refused to make and provide super high dosed gear. Even a fair amount of people have probs with Mig and Captex.

Thanks jstarks11, very likely that EO is the culprit for me. Will stick with the brand that works. Can't get any info on what it contains though. Would be interesting to know.

BTW, is it possible to sterilize an existing product by adding BA, so it can be preloaded into multiple syringes and used over several weeks? I've got access to genuine Bayer Testoviron Depot and Nebido, but they have no preservatives, intended for one time use only.

 

[jstarks11]

Thanks jstarks11, very likely that EO is the culprit for me. Will stick with the brand that works. Can't get any info on what it contains though. Would be interesting to know.

BTW, is it possible to sterilize an existing product by adding BA, so it can be preloaded into multiple syringes and used over several weeks? I've got access to genuine Bayer Testoviron Depot and Nebido, but they have no preservatives, intended for one time use only.

No sir. Contrary to popular belief, BA is not a bacteriocidal, it is a bacteriostatic. Hence the name bacteriostatic water... Bacteriocidal KILLS bacteria. Bacteriostatic reduces bacterias ability to reproduce or cell divide. So... adding BA to existing product would not kill bacteria. In theory however, if you add BA to a solution containing bacteria, it should fuck with the structure (genetically) keeping said bacteria from being able to reproduce therefore disallowing it from building into infectious levels. Therefore over a course of time (IE the lifespan of that particular bacteria) it should eventually die and then be bacteria free in your vial.... However, it probably doesn't quite work like that otherwise there really would be no reason to sterile filter gear. Instead one could simply brew, throw BA in it, it gets rid of all bacteria after sitting for X amount of hours days (lifespan of particular bacteria) then be gtg... Doesn't work like that. I dunno if it is because of concentration amounts needing to be higher and the body not reacting well to that high of an amount or what. Really not sure. However, adding BA to sterilize is not possible cause BA does not sterilize.

 

[Ursamajor]

No sir. Contrary to popular belief, BA is not a bacteriocidal...

Thanks jstarks11!

 

[Sworder]

In theory however, if you add BA to a solution containing bacteria, it should fuck with the structure (genetically) keeping said bacteria from being able to reproduce therefore disallowing it from building into infectious levels. Therefore over a course of time (IE the lifespan of that particular bacteria) it should eventually die and then be bacteria free in your vial.... However, it probably doesn't quite work like that otherwise there really would be no reason to sterile filter gear. Instead one could simply brew, throw BA in it, it gets rid of all bacteria after sitting for X amount of hours days (lifespan of particular bacteria) then be gtg... Doesn't work like that.

Actually you can do it that way, use a coffee filter as the only "filter!"

You could also not even use any BA, just BB and then throw it in the oven. Killing bacteria is easy, why do you make it seem so difficult?

You can also use the same syringe and needle for weeks on end if you want, it's gonna be hard to jab through skin though. It isn't recommended but you are not guaranteed an infection, tons of guys have done a lot of dirty things throughout time including shortcuts in brewing.

It is recommended to double and triple check things and that's why a 22 or 45 micron filter is used as standard.

 

[master.on]

How can I identify what oil (castor, cotton seed, peanut, etc) is used in an existing injectable T medication?

That would be very hard to do at home

You'll need to send it to a lab and have it analyzed by Gas or Liquid chromatography.
Eventually you can meet someone who works at a lab and quickly have it analyzed by FTIR
Classification of Edible Oils Based on ATR-FTIR Spectral Information During a Long Heating Treatment. - PubMed - NCBI
If FTIR-ATR is used the whole analysis shouldn't take more than a couple minutes, so he can easily sneak it in the lab workload.

OTOH I don't know if the dissolved steroid would affect results. I think it will, so you'd need to extract the oil from the steroid.

 

[jstarks11]

That would be very hard to do at home

You'll need to send it to a lab and have it analyzed by Gas or Liquid chromatography.
Eventually you can meet someone who works at a lab and quickly have it analyzed by FTIR
Classification of Edible Oils Based on ATR-FTIR Spectral Information During a Long Heating Treatment. - PubMed - NCBI
If FTIR-ATR is used the whole analysis shouldn't take more than a couple minutes, so he can easily sneak it in the lab workload.

OTOH I don't know if the dissolved steroid would affect results. I think it will, so you'd need to extract the oil from the steroid.

Hey Mast, question. How would you go about extracting the oil from the steroid or vice versa?