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Anabolic Steroids

We need to find UGL sources for this holy grail of muscle growth

CorgisOnTren said:
The study on these drugs used in humans was much less impressive
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I agree, but we should put it in context.

The group on the combined therapy with both and semaglutide lost 25lb fat and only 2lb of muscle. Semaglutide alone, they lost 15lb fat and 8lb of muscle.

That's without, to my knowledge, any sort of guidance on macro targets for protein, any sort of resistance training, etc.

I'm pretty curious to see what it looks like for people that do train and get adequate protein intake, as well as what it looks like for people on gear. It's possible the mechanisms that helped people lose more fat and preserve more muscle won't translate to increased muscle gain in the populations we care about, but it's also possible it might have significant impact.
 
hexagonal said:
I agree, but we should put it in context.

The group on the combined therapy with both and semaglutide lost 25lb fat and only 2lb of muscle. Semaglutide alone, they lost 15lb fat and 8lb of muscle.

That's without, to my knowledge, any sort of guidance on macro targets for protein, any sort of resistance training, etc.

I'm pretty curious to see what it looks like for people that do train and get adequate protein intake, as well as what it looks like for people on gear. It's possible the mechanisms that helped people lose more fat and preserve more muscle won't translate to increased muscle gain in the populations we care about, but it's also possible it might have significant impact.
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Yeah, I guess time will tell. I just can’t imagine when gear/gh/slin etc are already in play with us it’ll make too much a difference but we’ll see.
 
hexagonal said:
That's without, to my knowledge, any sort of guidance on macro targets for protein, any sort of resistance training, etc.
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Which means the conclusion is shaky. Without standarization on diet and training there could be differences in training and diet between both groups that explain that difference

Not saying it's worthless, and it's more likely than not that the drug had some direct effect, but I wouldn't jump on the first Chinese UGL that starts offering this for 400+ dollars a kit without more solid proof. And that's without mentioning possible side effects of course
 
If I told you there is a study in humans that showed just the 2 mAbs Trevor and Garet together without GLP use, in metabolically healthy human adult males age 40-70 and with no mandatory weigh training program they gained a mean 5kg 11lb of pure muscle in 8 weeks on the T&G combo, with only 5 ppl getting minor Adverse Events of headache and stomach ache with 0 deaths in the whole trial that incurred women both pre and post menopause.

What kind of money would you cough up for a 12 week cycle which should give around a mean 15lb gain.

But don't forget when you are on steroids you might already have tapped out some of the myostatin pathway already so would the gains be as effective? Who knows? Maybe being on steroids and lifting would super charge those gains because they were not mandated to workout....

Anyways would you be able to afford @ least 5000USD for a 12 week cycle because that's the minimum it would cost to procure near term. Feed back would be great!

Ps they also lost a ton of fat in the study but not as much as with GLP, but as a non fatty I don't really care for that data, but they did lose a substantial amount.
 
littlebicepsbigdick said:
If I told you there is a study in humans that showed just the 2 mAbs Trevor and Garet together without GLP use, in metabolically healthy human adult males age 40-70 and with no mandatory weigh training program they gained a mean 5kg 11lb of pure muscle in 8 weeks on the T&G combo, with only 5 ppl getting minor Adverse Events of headache and stomach ache with 0 deaths in the whole trial that incurred women both pre and post menopause.

What kind of money would you cough up for a 12 week cycle which should give around a mean 15lb gain.

But don't forget when you are on steroids you might already have tapped out some of the myostatin pathway already so would the gains be as effective? Who knows? Maybe being on steroids and lifting would super charge those gains because they were not mandated to workout....

Anyways would you be able to afford @ least 5000USD for a 12 week cycle because that's the minimum it would cost to procure near term. Feed back would be great!

Ps they also lost a ton of fat in the study but not as much as with GLP, but as a non fatty I don't really care for that data, but they did lose a substantial amount.
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I agree it will cost a ton and that most people won't be able to afford it. Why do you personally think it'll be $5000?

Another thing I'm not sure about it how viable the product will be considering its antibodies. How stable will it be?
 
initialize said:
I agree it will cost a ton and that most people won't be able to afford it. Why do you personally think it'll be $5000?

Another thing I'm not sure about it how viable the product will be considering its antibodies. How stable will it be?
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It would only be available USA domestically via cold shipping as a lyophilized powder that would be reconstituted prior to injection. I know the price because this isn't my first rodeo with mAbs.
 
littlebicepsbigdick said:
Anyways would you be able to afford @ least 5000USD for a 12 week cycle because that's the minimum it would cost to procure near term. Feed back would be great!
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Great, another paywall between me and being good looking enough to get girls. These drugs will become mandatory the same way steroids basically became mandatory through social media inflated expectations and fake natties.

I miss the time when just natty gym was plenty.

I assume that like any drug the gains would evaporate when you stop taking it so it would be a $20,000+ per year commitment as well. I’d pay $5000 for a one off 15 lbs keepable gain at this point tbh.
 
littlebicepsbigdick said:
If I told you there is a study in humans that showed just the 2 mAbs Trevor and Garet together without GLP use, in metabolically healthy human adult males age 40-70 and with no mandatory weigh training program they gained a mean 5kg 11lb of pure muscle in 8 weeks on the T&G combo, with only 5 ppl getting minor Adverse Events of headache and stomach ache with 0 deaths in the whole trial that incurred women both pre and post menopause.

What kind of money would you cough up for a 12 week cycle which should give around a mean 15lb gain.

But don't forget when you are on steroids you might already have tapped out some of the myostatin pathway already so would the gains be as effective? Who knows? Maybe being on steroids and lifting would super charge those gains because they were not mandated to workout....

Anyways would you be able to afford @ least 5000USD for a 12 week cycle because that's the minimum it would cost to procure near term. Feed back would be great!

Ps they also lost a ton of fat in the study but not as much as with GLP, but as a non fatty I don't really care for that data, but they did lose a substantial amount.
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I’ve checked with a few labs already, and 5k $ isn’t what I’ve seen

Garet : https://www.medchemexpress.com/gare...kuVvli4BcemET0HEMARUoFAmaaATOyl02mFgBygzP3MPd

Trevo is roughly in the same price range.

I'm confident that once my preferred Chinese lab begins production, name withheld, it will be significantly more affordable.

Let's wait and see.

PS : Not sure if direct links are allowed here, sorry if that’s against the rules.
 
Yugo92 said:
I’ve checked with a few labs already, and 5k $ isn’t what I’ve seen

Garet : https://www.medchemexpress.com/gare...kuVvli4BcemET0HEMARUoFAmaaATOyl02mFgBygzP3MPd

Trevo is roughly in the same price range.

I'm confident that once my preferred Chinese lab begins production, name withheld, it will be significantly more affordable.

Let's wait and see.

PS : Not sure if direct links are allowed here, sorry if that’s against the rules.
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lol...

I doubt everything. especially something like that.

we have been getting shredded up cardboard as raws
 
Also alot of you think something with 25% chance of infusion reaction is something you can deal with at home.

you guys do yall.

if you wanna take a chance on killing yourselves with this type of stuff go right ahead.
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
Also alot of you think something with 25% chance of infusion reaction is something you can deal with at home.

you guys do yall.

if you wanna take a chance on killing yourselves with this type of stuff go right ahead.
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I forsee these things taking multiple generations and many years to produce a safeish profile for use in the bbing world
 
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