Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
It's fine. It just gets scary. People are looking for the next best thing to inject into their body. We have to draw some sort of line right?
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
We need to find UGL sources for this holy grail of muscle growth
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IndividualMan
Member
nah man, whats the worst UGL antibodies could do to me? cripple me forever? cause irreversible damage to random bodily functions?
It is super safe because the bald short fat man said it was the next best thing. And he is always right and not just massively coping because he can't win his Pro card.
It is super safe because the bald short fat man said it was the next best thing. And he is always right and not just massively coping because he can't win his Pro card.
If Dr. Mike gets his hands on it and gets his Pro Card, that's good enough for me. If it works for him it'll work for me too! /s
littlebicepsbigdick
New Member
My man do you see those prices? $423 for 1mg... Re read what I said. A 12 week cycle of doses that were used in the study of metabolically healthy humans in a Phase 1 study. Mike didn't even mention it (couldn't find it) because I guess he's suffering from that steroid induced brain fog he talks about making him dumber all the time.
A 12 week cycle consists of a total of 1200mg. Now go do the math on that with whatever prices you find lol. You don't have better access to this industry than me, but sure think what you want. And no your Chinese peptide company won't be able to produce this. Maybe learn what is required to produce a mAb.
Infusion? It's literally given via SubQ injection lmao
See sentence above smh lol, and you cant produce mAbs in UGL.
Anyways, this is the wrong place to be talking about biochem. I'll post the study link here when I get to it. It's literally on PubMed lmao.
So a 12 week cycle will cost $507,600?
Thank god.
I was worried for a minute that it would fall into the “affordable but not for me” low 5 figure price range.
IndividualMan
Member
ideal base for a cheap beginner cycle then?
12 weeks
500Test
200 Equipoise
20 mg DBol/day
and half a mill of activin a and myostatin inhibitors
12 weeks
500Test
200 Equipoise
20 mg DBol/day
and half a mill of activin a and myostatin inhibitors
Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
and as infusion
Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Garetosmab (Anti-Activin A): Results From a First-in-Human Phase 1 Study - PubMed
We describe outcomes from the first-in-human study of garetosmab (a fully human monoclonal antibody that inhibits activin A) under development for the treatment of fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva (FOP). In a double-blind, placebo-controlled phase 1 study, 40 healthy women of...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
even then you have a chance of a MAB reaction.
Good news! 10mg is only 4x the price of 1mg instead of 10x!
We just need a big enough group buy, right?
IndividualMan
Member
plus you can request pricing for 100mg vials, they might have an even better price per mg for that, maybe they can even be a good deal (only equivalent to 3 lifetimes worth of primo+GH instead of ~50 lifetimes)
littlebicepsbigdick
New Member
and as infusion
Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Garetosmab (Anti-Activin A): Results From a First-in-Human Phase 1 Study - PubMed
We describe outcomes from the first-in-human study of garetosmab (a fully human monoclonal antibody that inhibits activin A) under development for the treatment of fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva (FOP). In a double-blind, placebo-controlled phase 1 study, 40 healthy women of...
even then you have a chance of a MAB reaction.
Yes it can also be given IV but in the study it was not.
Are you ppl seriously this low IQ? I said it's $5,000. You wouldn't be buying from MedChem... How are ppl this dumb... God help us all...
I HAVE THE CONNECT
$5,000 for 1200mg which would be a 12 week cycle. It's an injection of 200mg Trevor and 100mg Garet every 2 weeks into subcutaneous tissue just like your GLP1s.
This pricing is based off of other mAb projects I've worked on. However, it could possibly be up to 12-15k. I'm just going on best case scenario. $5K. I haven't actually reached out about this.
I don't expect anyone here to actually have that money. I'm just causally gauging how many ppl would have that kind of money to spend on a permanent 1.25lb of lean muscle per week gain alongside serious fat loss. I'm also letting you know what realistic price you can expect to pay for this if it finds it's way to market early.
I'll post that study in a moment.
littlebicepsbigdick
New Member
Here is the study. For those too low IQ to read past the headline. There is a group of males included in there.
To those whom this message applies to. Please don't try to read the study yourself. Use Google Gemini, paste the url and ask it to explain it to you at a level that you can comprehend. Lets save you having to make 100 posts on here making yourself look silly.
Have a nice day.
Ps. As for the pricing. Yea, I just realized anywhere else other than my connect and your going to get bent over hard on price. So long story short it's not happening. $5K is literally free in the world of mAbs. No one would do that unless they were doing it for the community.
@redsssn03 feel free to add this study to the threads main post.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
To those whom this message applies to. Please don't try to read the study yourself. Use Google Gemini, paste the url and ask it to explain it to you at a level that you can comprehend. Lets save you having to make 100 posts on here making yourself look silly.
Have a nice day.
Ps. As for the pricing. Yea, I just realized anywhere else other than my connect and your going to get bent over hard on price. So long story short it's not happening. $5K is literally free in the world of mAbs. No one would do that unless they were doing it for the community.
@redsssn03 feel free to add this study to the threads main post.
GDF8 and activin A are the key negative regulators of muscle mass in postmenopausal females: a randomized phase I trial - PMC
Evolutionary pressures to protect against food scarcity likely resulted in highly-conserved pathways designed to minimize energy expenditure, one of which involves the minimization of muscle mass; these mechanisms may be counter-productive in a ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
Here is the study. For those too low IQ to read past the headline. There is a group of males included in there.
To those whom this message applies to. Please don't try to read the study yourself. Use Google Gemini, paste the url and ask it to explain it to you at a level that you can comprehend. Lets save you having to make 100 posts on here making yourself look silly.
Have a nice day.
Ps. As for the pricing. Yea, I just realized anywhere else other than my connect and your going to get bent over hard on price. So long story short it's not happening. $5K is literally free in the world of mAbs. No one would do that unless they were doing it for the community.
@redsssn03 feel free to add this study to the threads main post.
GDF8 and activin A are the key negative regulators of muscle mass in postmenopausal females: a randomized phase I trial - PMC
Evolutionary pressures to protect against food scarcity likely resulted in highly-conserved pathways designed to minimize energy expenditure, one of which involves the minimization of muscle mass; these mechanisms may be counter-productive in a ...
Do you know what IV means?
littlebicepsbigdick
New Member
Thank you for correcting me. Between running multiple companies, trading markets, building software and researching biology all day including doing the deep dive on costs for this... Mistakes happen!
Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
Okay bro lol
littlebicepsbigdick
New Member
Also be careful when injecting your next dose of test though eh, wouldn't want you to hit a nerve and get paralyzed. I noticed your extreme concern for your health and safety. Maybe you should stick to cream to be extra safe. Just an idea... BE SAFE BRO!!
CubanQuentin
Member
Obligatory nerd comment explaining that no muscle gain is *permanent* (I'd write a paragraph about it but I'm too fucking hungover to do so lol)
Yugo92
Banned
You're multitasking greatness. I'm multitasking snacks
We're not taking you seriously because nothing you have said makes any of us feel like there is any reason to take you seriously.
You're some random person who has been on the forum for half a year making wild claims about being able to get two experimental mAb at strangely low prices, but still high enough to make it a prime opportunity for scamming people. We have no idea what use, if any, these will be for people vs. steroids, vs. trained individuals with higher muscle mass than in these studies, much less both combined.
Are there people here that would, if there was a guarantee that they would add 10+lb of actual muscle mass, pay $5k for it? Certainly. There are people here that spend that much on serostim and don't get that big of a result over the lifetime of that $5k spent there.
But all we have are some studies that don't give us any real idea of how the results will apply to us and the breathless rants of a youtuber. Add all of this together, and $5k is both too cheap and too expensive for anyone take the idea seriously.
IndividualMan
Member
this is nice and all, but I do not think prices will get even close your best case scenario anytime soon ( the next few years). At least not with quality product avaliably to the average consumer. Hopefully I am mistaken, but for now the prices are what they are (high as shit).
But hey, the insights on pricing for other monoclonal antibody therapies is nice (if you are not just talking out of your ass).
I hope these drugs will be effective enough in human application (and its not just Israetel coping massively because he doesnt like steroids) for Pharma companies to fund more and more research and it doesn't end up being one of those Insulin situations with very mild progress over long stretches of time.
Sicsemptyran
Member
My favorite rich and important people are the ones who pretend to be.
No one who has the means to pay $5-15K on bootleg monoclonal antibodies is buying bootleg monoclonal antibodies.
If you have those means, you likely would have the means to obtain those sorts of things through legal and professional channels. No highly skilled manufacturer that has the means to make monoclonal antibodies is going to sell it one off to a guy for $5K, no one here (hopefully) is that dumb to believe that.
As someone who pays $30-40K yearly on my health, 90% of which likely being marginal benefit at best and partially for fun, I couldn’t be paid to even share a bed with someone using this until it is studied quite a bit more.
