Marcus
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I don't care what people accuse me of... I'm going to report back honestly though and people can make their own decision. Anyone's opinion of me is none of my nor your business, that's their business alone
MESO-Rx
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Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH
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Marcus
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I would suggest that you open up the ability for a couple other non-bias parties to look up the lab. A few respected people who have been around here a while, as I haven't been on here long, Karl. Maybe ask those who have been involved in the thread for someone they trust that has not been too involved in this thread
Edit: You also assume that just because the lab is verified, that everyone will automatically assume that this is the GH you will be selling from now on or that it's the same GH about to be shipped, and your road is paved. This battle is far from won even if all tests come back conclusive. It's just a step.
Edit: You also assume that just because the lab is verified, that everyone will automatically assume that this is the GH you will be selling from now on or that it's the same GH about to be shipped, and your road is paved. This battle is far from won even if all tests come back conclusive. It's just a step.
Western-Biotech
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Correct Markus
1. Who ever the members here are considering as unbiased may look at the tests, lighspan is fine with me for instance, I'll confirm with Millard the safety aspect
2. Yes - I said from first place that the tests can't prove actually shit as I may submit any sample, this is why I encouraged to do cross testings with real customers, and still strongly encourage this ! I also talked to Millard about it. But u demanded tests so I do them anyhow, and anyone may confirm them on any product from me
1. Who ever the members here are considering as unbiased may look at the tests, lighspan is fine with me for instance, I'll confirm with Millard the safety aspect
2. Yes - I said from first place that the tests can't prove actually shit as I may submit any sample, this is why I encouraged to do cross testings with real customers, and still strongly encourage this ! I also talked to Millard about it. But u demanded tests so I do them anyhow, and anyone may confirm them on any product from me
Well CBS damn sure understands a lot more than YOU DO K. Your POS SDS-PAGE was INCORRECT by a difference of 10-15% KD clown and NO LAB would even suggest that's acceptable, especially for a polypeptide as complex an GH! You keep citing "Dr Jims tests", yea well take another look K, bc I ran a MS and a AAA, and an HPLC on that sample even though my PEG was on spot, why didn't YOU BOZO
However your "lab" obviously dismissed the PEG error and did absolutely ZIPPO!. There are several options available when lab errors occur K but you and your nonresistant lab chose to do NOTHING.
Shall I explain further? Sure why not; did your lab repeat the erroneous PEG test, perform an Amino Acid analysis, run a Mass Spec or how about a damn HPLC, or the most definitive a Trypsin peptide fragmentation assay? HELL NO!
(Oh and cease the BS about the "terminal sequence" analysis. It's NOT been the lab standard in developed countries, FOR YEARS, and it's NOT an acceptable substitute for complete Peptide frag testing, period!
Now IMO folks should wonder why your chose NOT to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, the GH you would be SELLING is compliant with existing GH lab standards?
Why K? The reason, first your a cheap ass and did not believe the product itself (YOUR GH) justified the cost of conclusive testing, and you NEVER suspected you would be legitimately challenged to prove anything! That is of course until you ran into several mates on Meso whom challenged the validity of the tests YOU posted and doubted your veracity as a salesman. Consequently these mates have become an absolute pain in your worthless ass, LMAO!
This is also the same reason your now suggesting any NEW REPORTS will be available by PM only. You don't want to be challenged by those with the knowledge to formulate an objective interpretation of these "tests".
DAMN YOUR PATHETIC, but predictable, Karly
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Western-Biotech
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Dr Ass - I commented so many times to your repeated nonsense that even me is tired of this bullshit, I'm sure you're not but everyone else are,
Pls make your tests, or better actually not, whatever u like to, any customer may do it and compare to our tests, if u like to make a cross tests like we should then cooeprate if not stop making baseless claims
Pls make your tests, or better actually not, whatever u like to, any customer may do it and compare to our tests, if u like to make a cross tests like we should then cooeprate if not stop making baseless claims
No KARL I WANT AND YOU MUST POST THESE NEW TESTS ON MESO'S OPEN FORUM.
INCIDENTALLY, YOU HAVE NEVER EXPLAINED THE REASON CONFIRMATORY TESTING WAS NOT CONDUCTED NEVER. So don't give me that same old song and dance in an attempt to confuse potential customers whom haven't the time to read your 147 pages of BULLSHIT!
BUT GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY and explain why confirmatory GH tests were NOT CONDUCTED???? LET's HEAR IT!!!
WTF you referring to "I'll confirm with Millard the safety aspect".
What, do you now possess some top secret documents on a new GH production process, utterly absurd!
Moreover in the same post YOU CONFIRM you have NO INTENTION of listing these tests on the open forum. Atta boy Karl, that's the best means of improving your sewer level credibility, LOL
INCIDENTALLY, YOU HAVE NEVER EXPLAINED THE REASON CONFIRMATORY TESTING WAS NOT CONDUCTED NEVER. So don't give me that same old song and dance in an attempt to confuse potential customers whom haven't the time to read your 147 pages of BULLSHIT!
BUT GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY and explain why confirmatory GH tests were NOT CONDUCTED???? LET's HEAR IT!!!
WTF you referring to "I'll confirm with Millard the safety aspect".
What, do you now possess some top secret documents on a new GH production process, utterly absurd!
Moreover in the same post YOU CONFIRM you have NO INTENTION of listing these tests on the open forum. Atta boy Karl, that's the best means of improving your sewer level credibility, LOL
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Western-Biotech
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Ok - I'll try to answer seriously to u doc
1. In our original tests we didn't include full AA seq as the professors is following the same procedure for years in making this pep, we didn't aim for nobel prize in med so didn't include any test to map the AA. The biological assay tests proves the actual clinic effect of this specific pep, and we did include them, this is the test which confirm in vitro the actual effect of the GH
2. U asked for full AA seq so we do it, and thank u and bless you for this.
3. I'll post the tests just without the signature, to prove these are authentic very specific tests on my sample a couple of unbiased vets may inspect the whole doument
1. In our original tests we didn't include full AA seq as the professors is following the same procedure for years in making this pep, we didn't aim for nobel prize in med so didn't include any test to map the AA. The biological assay tests proves the actual clinic effect of this specific pep, and we did include them, this is the test which confirm in vitro the actual effect of the GH
2. U asked for full AA seq so we do it, and thank u and bless you for this.
3. I'll post the tests just without the signature, to prove these are authentic very specific tests on my sample a couple of unbiased vets may inspect the whole doument
Western-Biotech
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Now will u go troll on another thread ?!
Where do you come up with this horseshit? In vitro biological assays are NOT the best means of proving a drug performs accordingly, for that you need PHASE I, II, and III human trials.
Other than a couple of folk who included their serum GH analyses, some of which again are only available to the select few by a PM to Karl, what other "biological data have you posted K?" NOTHING
POST YOUR BS LAB ANALYSES ON THE OPEN FORUM or GO HOME K!
Furthermore you NEVER posted the actual biological in vitro data itself, but some narrative substitute. The latter is again completely unacceptable by FDA, USP and WHO standards. Remember those K? Oh yea, you said your GH "EXCEEDS THOSE STANDARDS" several times!!
So now again you have yet to answer my question! Why were IN VITRO CONFIRMATORY lab tests NOT PERFORMED, and I ask AGAIN BECAUSE the only crap you have posted was either in error (PEG) not legible (HPLC and Bio data) or simply not performed (AAA, MS, PSA)
PS ------- I'm not going ANYWHERE, lol!
Other than a couple of folk who included their serum GH analyses, some of which again are only available to the select few by a PM to Karl, what other "biological data have you posted K?" NOTHING
POST YOUR BS LAB ANALYSES ON THE OPEN FORUM or GO HOME K!
Furthermore you NEVER posted the actual biological in vitro data itself, but some narrative substitute. The latter is again completely unacceptable by FDA, USP and WHO standards. Remember those K? Oh yea, you said your GH "EXCEEDS THOSE STANDARDS" several times!!
So now again you have yet to answer my question! Why were IN VITRO CONFIRMATORY lab tests NOT PERFORMED, and I ask AGAIN BECAUSE the only crap you have posted was either in error (PEG) not legible (HPLC and Bio data) or simply not performed (AAA, MS, PSA)
PS ------- I'm not going ANYWHERE, lol!
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Western-Biotech
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I'm happy u stay, and you're always welcome, I just thought of others which u confuse
U have no clue on biological assay tests, and u may go back to my original posts to examine them, following a USP protocol from 2006
The term in vitro doesn't apply to chemical assay or AA mapping , no clue what you're talking about
We may go over and over again on this - u asked for full AA seq and you'll get it
BTW - I may be wrong but I think the guman trials on phase 1 2 and 3 on recombinent HGH were only done as a comparison of pharmacokinetics between the recombinent hormone and the human sourced hormone, I will ask
U have no clue on biological assay tests, and u may go back to my original posts to examine them, following a USP protocol from 2006
The term in vitro doesn't apply to chemical assay or AA mapping , no clue what you're talking about
We may go over and over again on this - u asked for full AA seq and you'll get it
BTW - I may be wrong but I think the guman trials on phase 1 2 and 3 on recombinent HGH were only done as a comparison of pharmacokinetics between the recombinent hormone and the human sourced hormone, I will ask
In vitro means in a test tube CLOWN or outside the human body, and how else do you think lab studies are performed, lol!
We have a few HUMANS standing by to consume your GH for a IN-VIVO test.
When you say stupid shit like that K it only exposes your ignorance bc I DO MUCH OF THIS FOR A LIVING, while you haven't a clue
Well yep indeed you did exactly that in your GH trials, which is why several mates DEVELOPED ALLERGIC PHENOMENON after using your GH. It was NOT properly tested.
But I suppose the possibility of a allergy ever crossed your mind did it K? Oh but sorry guys it's just ONE OF MANY REQUIRED USP STANDARDS Karly failed to conduct!
You can't have it both ways Karl. Suggest your USP and FDA compliant in some isolated petri dish, yet fail to comply with the remaining requirements of MS, AAA, …….. viral AND allergy testing etc.
There is ONLY ONE WAY TO MANUFACTURE GH, the right way and the wrong way, YOU CHOSE THE WRONG WAY!
Hey did I ever ask you why oh why did you not perform CONFIRMATORY GH LAB TESTING, but instead marveled at your growing population of E-coli in some petri dish.
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Hey K did you know essentially ALL allergies are mediated thru amide based peptides, with very few exceptions. That's why the FDA and USP added formal allergy testing as a requirement for new labs to receive "rHGH approval".
Hey were you able to speak with that professor of yours yet to inquire about how someone with such advanced knowledge would have overlooked CONFIRMATORY GH LAB TESTING??
I mean goodness K it's time to uncover the guilty parties, unless you were informed, yet lamented "that's to expensive", lol
Hey were you able to speak with that professor of yours yet to inquire about how someone with such advanced knowledge would have overlooked CONFIRMATORY GH LAB TESTING??
I mean goodness K it's time to uncover the guilty parties, unless you were informed, yet lamented "that's to expensive", lol
Western-Biotech
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We followed this procedure BTW, you may see (As everyone knows) that a local reaction to GH, as well as similar meds is athe most common reported side effect, the product was also tested independently for toxin, pyrogen and sterility, hell u hold a sample - why don't u test it ?
I know u want to report on some nonsense, we all know, but then you'll be asked the obvious question - why u didn't come with it when first confirmed perfect quality on my GH ..... you're locked with your lies
I know u want to report on some nonsense, we all know, but then you'll be asked the obvious question - why u didn't come with it when first confirmed perfect quality on my GH ..... you're locked with your lies
Western-Biotech
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And why don't cooperate with the cross tests if u like to contribute anything but nonsense on piles of nonsense ?
And why won't u cooperate and talk live with my team to asses our procedure and tests, as well as any further evidence the community here is looking for ?
You simply in love in posting nonsense and hiding behind your screen this is the only place in which u may still do this shit, after your ass was kicked from any other place
And why won't u cooperate and talk live with my team to asses our procedure and tests, as well as any further evidence the community here is looking for ?
You simply in love in posting nonsense and hiding behind your screen this is the only place in which u may still do this shit, after your ass was kicked from any other place
muscle96ss
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Doc, the questions you ask are valid, but we have been through this a million times and I don't think Karl has the technical knowledge to give you the answers you are looking for. Why don't you just speak with his professor via Skype as he has offered many times and ask him these questions. What have you got to lose? Do it for all the Mesoites out there that want the answers!
Because I'm not he manufacturer YOU ARE Karl! WTF, you insist OTHERS perform the work incompetent fools like yourself, haven't done. This is planet earth Karl!
Look YOU WERE THE ONE BOASTING ABOUT THIS DAMN PRODUCT the minute you posted that intro statement referencing the FDA as your baseline for quality. So the standard is for YOU to provide the damn evidence Karl. No one else, just you, why can't you get that thru your thick head?
Yea and here is another FINE EXAMPLE of how often you talk out your ass K. You performed, pyrogen, toxin and sterility testing BULLSHIT. Prove it K! Oh please enlighten us all and inform Meso what pyrogens, toxins and viruses you tested for. Tell me more about this allergy testing liar!
I KNOW BETTER!
Yea right you did all those texts at a cost of close to 10K but COULDN'T CONDUCT CONFIRMATORY GH LAB TESTING, what a crock of shit!
ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THAT LINE OF GARBAGE DESERVES YOUR GH WITH ALL THE ADVERSE EFFECTS, IMO.
Jim Stewart
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I sense something a bullshit I have never felt
Western-Biotech
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I'll show to Mands in 24-48 hours the toxins tests, no problem - no prob from our sourcing FDA approved lab
I provided with a valid set of tests, A VERY VALID SET OF TESTS, I can't believe I repeat on it for the 999 times, I'll post next week also AA seq. Now tell me where on USP a full AA seq is defined pls, I post it anyhow, and we'll follow it from now on anyhow, it's not a must requirment.
Now I still can't figure out why u can't make a scientific conversation with my team and raise any claim, they'll specify their method, approach and replies to your claims, and each will have his opinion and conclusions and we may post it and learn.
I guess you're full of shit, anyone would raise the glove for this community
I provided with a valid set of tests, A VERY VALID SET OF TESTS, I can't believe I repeat on it for the 999 times, I'll post next week also AA seq. Now tell me where on USP a full AA seq is defined pls, I post it anyhow, and we'll follow it from now on anyhow, it's not a must requirment.
Now I still can't figure out why u can't make a scientific conversation with my team and raise any claim, they'll specify their method, approach and replies to your claims, and each will have his opinion and conclusions and we may post it and learn.
I guess you're full of shit, anyone would raise the glove for this community
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