Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[muscle96ss]

I don't pretend what I'm not.

I logged in to introduce to you a product, have provided you with all the relevant valid info, and keep doing so.

My role is to provide the quality and services I declare on, yours is to keep testing me to meet your standards.

Regarding any issue in the past with Sciroxx -

- I've never sold here directly to any one, but a couple of vets like Mands who've been very happy

- If a SRC sold here indirectly then he should have all the answers for you first and above all. Never ever any SRC came to me with any quality issue regarding any product. It was brought to my attention that some quality issues rose here, I've tried to log in, but the attitude here, as well as the atmosphere would simply make any reasonable man to run away, especially if you have a prejudice against somehow. furthermore - I think that maybe one time a member from here came to me and raised any issue, how I may handle any issue ? When I was doing my inquiries regarding any quality issue it really brought me to relaize the issues were with the specific source.
If anyone has the slightest suspect on my credability and commitment to the quality I declare on you may talk to muscles96 for instance who is a founding member on professionalmuscle. I replaced there products in 100000usd ! 100000usd ! when quality issues happened. I monitored it, admitted, posted, kept all my words, and any customer got full refund with products he came back and confirmed their quality is perfect now.

- Lessons were learned. I'm here in person to deal directly with any issue. I'm personally responsible to the quality I provide from a to z. No middleman, no excuses.

- I take it step by step carefully with you guys. I introduced the product, I explained thoroughly on our testing methods compared to USP standards, the unique quality we offer in this feild, and offered special deals so you may test it randomly ! no freebies, no bribe shit, anyone may order and test, time after time.
Now a reliable member here (Mands) reported back with a valid serum test, what are you complaianing about ? anyone who likes to order and enjoy from pharma grade with fraction the costs may do it, if anyone likes to prove the quality is not as we declare then he is welcome to test and post.
I keep encouraging you to test on a regular basis the product, to confirm any statement. I'm waiting eagerly for mess spec results which will match the authentic tests in house were doing. And this may be done on a regular basis again and again

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Just for the record, I only purchased 5 kits, not 100000usd; but yes there were a shitload of people over at PM who got screwed on the bunk kits and Karl is making good on every one of them. I will admit I thought for sure he was going to skip town on us and am shocked at how this has played out in the end as my opinion of Karl was similar to those expressed on the board here. I still can't say I trust him, but he is in the process of regaining my trust and I don't think that the whole bunk Scitropin fiasco was intentional on Karl's part as I initially had thought. Anyway, I just wanted to clear that up because the way it was written was if I had purchased 100000usd worth of product when what Karl is referrring to is the amount of money he paid the Biotech company that made the bunk GH.

 

[Millard]

I think you went about it in the wrong way, and I think you don't realize how just many people here consider Karl a scammer. I hold a huge personal grudge. I'm never going to change my mind about him, and I'm definitely not alone in this respect.

Posting the serum results was pretty much the final insult for me. There is no reason for those to be posted in public. They do not confirm Karl's claims in any way, but they WILL generate sales.

Going back to this hypothetical steroid testing program... To be credible, it has to be unbiased and test everything and post ALL results - not just the ones that we want. It can't be afraid of testing products from UGLs that are considered scammers for fear that the results may actually be GOOD. And it definitely can't withhold such results if they are GOOD. It can't be done any other way.

I am concerned that the sentiments expressed in regards to @mands are something that would be encountered by and would undermine the support of an AAS testing program that published any GOOD results for unpopular labs.

 

[Millard]

I think the community has the right to know that's why I posted. And like I said I received a PM from one of the most respected persons on this board that supported what I wanted to do. I paid for my GH and I paid for my test as well. Therefore I will post it. You have your opinion flesner and I have mine.

mands

I support @mands decision to post the results even if they are GOOD results from an UNPOPULAR source. Many of you know that I have encouraged members to post BAD results from POPULAR sources too. I receive a lot of criticism in both scenarios and I warn the members involved that they will receive a lot of criticism as well. I am consistent in my support when it comes to the value of various lab testing endeavors.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I seriously asked you guys this... So as a long time VET in this community should I not try and help out when I think something could benefit the community? It sounds like I'm in a loose loose situation for being a long time member. You are saying I'm endorsing him by my influence? I can honesty say Karl never came to me when he posted here or asked for my help. I contacted him about his gh and questioned him and made a decision to try him out.

mands

Ha, it is kind of a lose lose situation mands.. I don't think you're getting anything out of this from Karl and I'm sure you did go into this thinking it could be great for the community if it works out.. Like I posted earlier though, a few positive test results doesn't negate his history with Sciroxx and I get nauseated listening to his excuses.. He had Sciroxx set up that way on purpose so he could pass off blame..

I had three separate packs that took seven fucking weeks to all arrive.. I was pissed even more because I ordered domestic and 2 of 3 packs came from Israel (I don't give a shit about posting his location) not fucking remailers here.. Bunk shit supposedly "straight from the factory".. Also the money was sent to Israel.

Anyway back to the point, and I mean no disrespect by saying this, you've been a little over the top defending this guy.. Maybe you're just being hopeful it works out but that's why you're rubbing some guys the wrong way my friend..

 

[GigaloRob]

I don't have a problem with mands or anyone posting good/bad results. It's up to me and any other person to decide if you find mands result posting to be credible or not. I would not buy from a source simply because one member posted good results. Anyone that seems to overly seem like they want a source to do well here though is always going to arouse a certain suspicion

 

[whodatnation]

No , now the complete burden of reestablishing a good name ABC would now have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that raws , via him or they paying for testing of every single compound sold , have been corrected and that not one person scammed or shorted has been left behind.

Once we establish this Millard I really foresee some not so mainstream UGL's to come out of the fray as really good people and those that have been involved with screwing their fellow man to lose all credibility and any footholds within the community.

Now credible men and companies are being verified through their works and not just guesses. We will remove in this the need to even let ABC to even get back into the scene without a concerted effort to do so .

Hopefully we can and will obtain this endeavor because truth has a way of destroying the opposition lies and deceitful ways.

P.S that previous statement can also be pointed towards our government (shadow) also. Another story for another day lol

Yes, results from multiple submissions by multiple individuals over time will provide strong evidence.


The more confirmations, the better.

How much resources should be devoted to confirming test results?

For example, let's say that...

(1) ABC Labs sample analysis = BAD results

(2) XYZ Labs sample analysis = GOOD results

Would you spend more money over the next 6 months testing XYZ Labs to confirm good results or ABC Labs to confirm bad results? What obligation (and how important) would it be for the program to confirm the results in either scenario?

 

[whodatnation]

It is hard to gain ones trust and even harder once that trust was given and then broken. Karl knows this as this common place. Now for me to ever trust again I must be wowed by the advancements that you have made and even than there will always be that lingering thought in the subconscious that you are in fact a scammer and that label can never be taken away because the past is done. Only time can heal wounds such as these.

Ha, it is kind of a lose lose situation mands.. I don't think you're getting anything out of this from Karl and I'm sure you did go into this thinking it could be great for the community if it works out.. Like I posted earlier though, a few positive test results doesn't negate his history with Sciroxx and I get nauseated listening to his excuses.. He had Sciroxx set up that way on purpose so he could pass off blame..

I had three separate packs that took seven fucking weeks to all arrive.. I was pissed even more because I ordered domestic and 2 of 3 packs came from Israel (I don't give a shit about posting his location) not fucking remailers here.. Bunk shit supposedly "straight from the factory".. Also the money was sent to Israel.

Anyway back to the point, and I mean no disrespect by saying this, you've been a little over the top defending this guy.. Maybe you're just being hopeful it works out but that's why you're rubbing some guys the wrong way my friend..

 

[Millard]

No , now the complete burden of reestablishing a good name ABC would now have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that raws , via him or they paying for testing of every single compound sold , have been corrected and that not one person scammed or shorted has been left behind.

Once we establish this Millard I really foresee some not so mainstream UGL's to come out of the fray as really good people and those that have been involved with screwing their fellow man to lose all credibility and any footholds within the community.

Now credible men and companies are being verified through their works and not just guesses. We will remove in this the need to even let ABC to even get back into the scene without a concerted effort to do so .

Hopefully we can and will obtain this endeavor because truth has a way of destroying the opposition lies and deceitful ways.

P.S that previous statement can also be pointed towards our government (shadow) also. Another story for another day lol

But what if both the #1 and the #2 samples were submitted by shills of XYZ Labs unbeknownst to the program or any other members?

(1) ABC Labs sample analysis = BAD results

(2) XYZ Labs sample analysis = GOOD results

XYZ effectively gamed the system based on 1 sample for each lab.

The only way to correct this is multiple samples from multiple submitters over time.

Every lab should test every single batch of raws and every single batch of final product. But there is no way this can be independently verified. The best a testing program can do is to test the final product that ends up in the hands of the consumers. It should also be noted that the quality of the product (even if excellent) doesn't preclude the possibility that a source/UGL will scam in other ways.

 

[Western-Biotech]

I'm really sorry to hear some of the remarks here,

One thing I assure you. I'm here, I'll provide the quality you deserve, I asked from day one for random repeated testings, and this is what we should do, this is what mands did, there are more members here with products already and would like to encourage them to post ! As a comment - one with the ability to produce pharma grade quality GH has no reason to provide nothing but this quality, as the actuall manufacturing is not very expensive, but the technology and facility is the main issue and investment. I've proved here, and will keep proving that I have this ability, and all tests will confirm this

For anyone who likes to educate himself on the GH quality issue pls refer back to my thorough explanation on this subject incl' attached authentic testings, I also encourage Lightspan who is an auhtority here to raise any question, issue or question in this regard, so you're all confident with my statements

 

[whodatnation]

Correct and this is where my involvement within the community and how we the community communicate to one another who sent what, from who and when will be the deciding factor for me to form an educated opinion for myself.

No way does joe blow smuck face from eroids sample hold more weight to me of the same sample from the same batch number from someone I trust in and believe to be a man of honor and intergrity.

No way around ever having to actually trust someone because without trust you might as well quit now because we can start with Labs testing being in an elaborate scheme to shut down the evil machine of MESO

 

[whodatnation]

Karl as a man of two separately lived lifes, the first being a damn thug who spent my 16-23 old years in some kind of prison in either La or FL I must believe in the opportunity of every man to be forgiven and given a second chance.

Now I am a project manager and even surpassed my own expectations I had set for myself. Everything in the past is memory today is your opportunity to make tomorrow your future.
So in essence if you are dedicated and completely sincere , in time you will be able to relieve any doubts of what your intentions are.

I'm really sorry to hear some of the remarks here,

One thing I assure you. I'm here, I'll provide the quality you deserve, I asked from day one for random repeated testings, and this is what we should do, this is what mands did, there are more members here with products already and would like to encourage them to post ! As a comment - one with the ability to produce pharma grade quality GH has no reason to provide nothing but this quality, as the actuall manufacturing is not very expensive, but the technology and facility is the main issue and investment. I've proved here, and will keep proving that I have this ability, and all tests will confirm this

For anyone who likes to educate himself on the GH quality issue pls refer back to my thorough explanation on this subject incl' attached authentic testings, I also encourage Lightspan who is an auhtority here to raise any question, issue or question in this regard, so you're all confident with my statements

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Karl as a man of two separately lived lifes, the first being a damn thug who spent my 16-23 old years in some kind of prison in either La or FL I must believe in the opportunity of every man to be forgiven and given a second chance.

Now I am a project manager and even surpassed my own expectations I had set for myself. Everything in the past is memory today is your opportunity to make tomorrow your future.
So in essence if you are dedicated and completely sincere , in time you will be able to relieve any doubts of what your intentions are.

I can relate with my misspent youth.. ^^

This is a little different as Karl is an old fat greasy fuck, it's a lot harder to change as the years go by..

Sorry Millard, seems there's two separate convos going on in this thread.. Maybe we can merge relevant posts about the program to a new thread at some point??

 

[whodatnation]

It is quite funny that we have gotten off topic here just a tad bit lmao

I can relate with my misspent youth.. ^^

This is a little different as Karl is an old fat greasy fuck, it's a lot harder to change as the years go by..

Sorry Millard, seems there's two separate convos going on in this thread.. Maybe we can merge relevant posts about the program to a new thread at some point??

 

[element00]

Going back to this hypothetical steroid testing program... To be credible, it has to be unbiased and test everything and post ALL results - not just the ones that we want. It can't be afraid of testing products from UGLs that are considered scammers for fear that the results may actually be GOOD. And it definitely can't withhold such results if they are GOOD. It can't be done any other way.

I am concerned that the sentiments expressed in regards to @mands are something that would be encountered by and would undermine the support of an AAS testing program that published any GOOD results for unpopular labs.

Millard I agree with your views about multiple samples being tested to get a range of results, however there are obviously powerful forces at play that can afford to invest in any system to ensure the results, either positive or negative, meet a set agenda. I wonder how we balance that for the legit end user who is just trying to get a sense as to whether the gear is of an acceptable standard?

 

[flenser]

Going back to this hypothetical steroid testing program... To be credible, it has to be unbiased and test everything and post ALL results - not just the ones that we want. It can't be afraid of testing products from UGLs that are considered scammers for fear that the results may actually be GOOD. And it definitely can't withhold such results if they are GOOD. It can't be done any other way.

I am concerned that the sentiments expressed in regards to @mands are something that would be encountered by and would undermine the support of an AAS testing program that published any GOOD results for unpopular labs.

I agree that all results should be posted, good or bad. I think an unbiased system WILL eventually show the issues with a UGL that's unpopular for good reasons. I don't think my personal bias in this thread is really applicable to a comprehensive system. The same goes for my labmax testing. I don't post good results, because I only buy from a few UGLs.

 

[big boi]

should the community decide what nuetrsl party sends the product to get tested.

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

Holy shit this thread was a lot to swallow.. I can hardly tell where we all ended up on this WBT...

 

[Colt44]

More happy customers.

http://anabolicboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24344

 

[Nitrobuste]

More happy customers.

http://anabolicboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24344

What do they say ? I have no account there.

 

[brutus79]

What do they say ? I have no account there.

In a nutshell that karl is a lying, scamming sack of shit and this will be his second gh scam.