Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Caizier]

Mands- Like many here I have been promised the moon, but promises fall short with me. I payed for products. What was delivered were bottles without labels (which I can not in good faith send out) Bottles all under-filled and looking like they were filled by a small child, the tabs... Not even close to what was ordered neither by count, product, or value. Also the tabs were supposed to be in labeled packages for resale, but instead were in foil pouches with hand written names. The only pack of tabs that was labeled was some winny, which I never ordered.

Karl leveraged what was owed to me against his reinstatement at S-F. Claiming I was the reason for all his troubles, and would not send me anything until I restored his sponsor status. I replied that I would give a honest report on any products that were sent to me both in regards to quality and service. He refused. Wanting me to go to bat for him without making right on his obligation.

 

[Caizier]

I only decided to bring this into the open after hearing from Karl that he had "very little oils" and could not manage to compensate me with more oils. Then I see in the same minutes, KARL promising to compensate BEST with oils. I never asked for a refund, it doesn't happen in this business, and I have always had good reports on Sciroxx products. I was happy to work with KARL in that respect. However all he wanted to do was send me 3K worth of clen and T3. Unacceptable to me. When you can't deliver what is promised you don't get the luxury of picking what to send as replacements. That's my choice. This only came after waiting on promises from him of getting me "pharma grade gh." Which HE DECIDED WAS TO BE REPAYED AT 2/3 the value of the SCITROPIN because it was much more expensive to manufacture.

Yes KARL felt he was within his right to send me 11 kits of Somastim to replace 15 kits of Scitropin... Anyone's thoughts? (But only after I got him re-instated at S-F...

 

[Marcus]

I only decided to bring this into the open after hearing from Karl that he had "very little oils" and could not manage to compensate me with more oils. Then I see in the same minutes, KARL promising to compensate BEST with oils. I never asked for a refund, it doesn't happen in this business, and I have always had good reports on Sciroxx products. I was happy to work with KARL in that respect. However all he wanted to do was send me 3K worth of clen and T3. Unacceptable to me. When you can't deliver what is promised you don't get the luxury of picking what to send as replacements. That's my choice. This only came after waiting on promises from him of getting me "pharma grade gh." Which HE DECIDED WAS TO BE REPAYED AT 2/3 the value of the SCITROPIN because it was much more expensive to manufacture.

Yes KARL felt he was within his right to send me 11 kits of Somastim to replace 15 kits of Scitropin... Anyone's thoughts? (But only after I got him re-instated at S-F...

Sounds like the same song and dance we've heard before from our good friend Karl, and in my opinion not the way a business transaction should ever be conducted. @Western-Biotech your response? What's your side? Even though I think we know...

 

[mands]

Mands- Like many here I have been promised the moon, but promises fall short with me. I payed for products. What was delivered were bottles without labels (which I can not in good faith send out) Bottles all under-filled and looking like they were filled by a small child, the tabs... Not even close to what was ordered neither by count, product, or value. Also the tabs were supposed to be in labeled packages for resale, but instead were in foil pouches with hand written names. The only pack of tabs that was labeled was some winny, which I never ordered.

Karl leveraged what was owed to me against his reinstatement at S-F. Claiming I was the reason for all his troubles, and would not send me anything until I restored his sponsor status. I replied that I would give a honest report on any products that were sent to me both in regards to quality and service. He refused. Wanting me to go to bat for him without making right on his obligation.

I totally agree with you and when ordered is placed and money excepted they better send me what the fuck I ordered. If Karl or any other supplier does not have something available that should be addressed immediately before any transaction takes place.

What about any other SF members? Have they been made whole or still waiting?

mand

 

[old bro]

I totally agree with you and when ordered is placed and money excepted they better send me what the fuck I ordered. If Karl or any other supplier does not have something available that should be addressed immediately before any transaction takes place.

What about any other SF members? Have they been made whole or still waiting?

mand

I will find out what i got in an hr whn i hit the post office.

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm really amazed by the FORLORN trial to refute our very valid tests by claiming that the molecular weight is wrong... so we posted deliberately wrong info ? so we claimed that the molecular weight is ~22 officially and showed wrong numbers ? this is what u have to say along months ? while Dr Jim's very through tests found the expected molecular weight ! I explained over and over again that the colored markers shows it this way for the document, and I challenged anyone above all Dr Jim to talk online to my team and confirm this, but u keep using this claim like a drowning man clutching at a straw.
I challenged u to make an academic conversation with my team online to stop this nonsense, but u of course ignore it, more bullshit

Update on the AA seq test -

The sample will be submitted tomorrow (Thursday, 23.10.2014).
Test starts on Monday, 27.10.2014
Data collection, computational analysis and report are expected in 2-3 days
from start of test

I'll show Mands today the form of the tests incl' our signature on it, and talk to Millard about whom else to show it to

Look K your the one that started this thread on MESO now finish it! Get your prof on the OPEN FORUM and I'll be delighted to expose their ignorance.

But I'm not going to do anything like that by PM, SKYPE, email, or over the damn phone, you Clown!

Get their asses on this forum or cease this crap about discussions with "my team". And I don't want to hear more of your BULLSHIT about some "safety factor you need to clear with Millard".

I'm here why can't they be, It's sickening!

 

[Dr JIM]

Mands- Like many here I have been promised the moon, but promises fall short with me. I payed for products. What was delivered were bottles without labels (which I can not in good faith send out) Bottles all under-filled and looking like they were filled by a small child, the tabs... Not even close to what was ordered neither by count, product, or value. Also the tabs were supposed to be in labeled packages for resale, but instead were in foil pouches with hand written names. The only pack of tabs that was labeled was some winny, which I never ordered.

Karl leveraged what was owed to me against his reinstatement at S-F. Claiming I was the reason for all his troubles, and would not send me anything until I restored his sponsor status. I replied that I would give a honest report on any products that were sent to me both in regards to quality and service. He refused. Wanting me to go to bat for him without making right on his obligation.

Another one of Ks "satisfied customers", good God will reports like this end? No actually I anticipate they will only worsen with time.

And some have asked why myself and others don't trust Karl, F me!

 

[Dr JIM]

So let's see here Karl substituted Pharm Grade for his Sick-o-tropin.

Damn doesn't that sound familiar !!
(Well which GH is currently being tested by K? You decide!)

People need to look at Best and Cazier and understand these fellas are NOT your average I-net buyer, and if K will play games of this nature with those whom are credible, and well respected just imagine how many other several vial (low volume) customers decided their efforts were in vain and just dropped transaction issues of lesser monetary significance.

Chances are the sky's the limit IMO!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Caizer - I offered to send u Somastim and gave u scheduale for it, you got bunk stuff from China back then and I took full responsibility on it. I sent u already 25 EQ as u asked, and today left for u halo and more tabs, all like we discussed

I'm sorry that u try to blackmail me here, I said that I'll deliver what u asked, and I will, I see no reason for such post here, and suggest u to follow my mails, our agreement per your instructions is very clear there, follow my mails and report back pls

 

[mands]

Caizer - I offered to send u Somastim and gave u scheduale for it, you got bunk stuff from China back then and I took full responsibility on it. I sent u already 25 EQ as u asked, and today left for u halo and more tabs, all like we discussed

I'm sorry that u try to blackmail me here, I said that I'll deliver what u asked, and I will, I see no reason for such post here, and suggest u to follow my mails, our agreement per your instructions is very clear there, follow my mails and report back pls

Karl,

I'm sure you are telling the truth and you have done what you have said. The problem here is that you are a AAS and GH supplier and you are taking orders without stock. This is bad practice and has led you to these types of situations. You really need a good rep if you are to continue here or anywhere I'm guessing. I know you have thousands of customers and these are only a couple. You seemed overwhelmed and you need help. Don't ask me because I'm good on my end and being a rep would drive me insane.

You just need to be honest with customers and if you don't have a product let them know. It's really that simple.

mands

 

[Western-Biotech]

Mands - no one took a penny, this guy claimed he got bunk Scitropin back then, and he's probably right, I offered to repalce it when the new batch is ready, like with u, he said he wants oils, I sent him already 25 EQ, and specified what i may send now, he chose halo and some more tabs instead of witing for the new GH, I shipped it, it's an old issue with bunk GH from China which I took responsibility on, and it's a trend now to open here an account and blackmail me

The guy, with all the respect, should simply follow our mails and agreement, i owed products in market value of 150000usd, and it's repalced, I try to follow each issue,

Anyone who orders with me now gets his order in a timely manner, this is an old issue with this guy, follow any thread of mine

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I'm sorry that u try to blackmail me here, I said that I'll deliver what u asked, and I will, I see no reason for such post here, and suggest u to follow my mails, our agreement per your instructions is very clear there, follow my mails and report back pls

Yeah, everybody's trying to blackmail you, Karl, that's what it is.

At what point do you step up and take responsibility for your fuckups? All you do is play the victim but it's your customers that are getting ripped off. They wait for months and months for you to make good on your promises and they get nothing. When they're left with no recourse but to go public, you accuse them of blackmail. It the same story with you, Karl, and it's getting old.

 

[mands]

@Caizier what was your original order with Karl?

Did it stem from the original SCITROPIN debacle?

mands

 

[Western-Biotech]

Not a victim nor shit, the guy reported on bunk GH, I took full responsibility, I repalce it and specified my abilities, he got what he asked for, I suggested to wait for the batch to come, I had to take a serious lost in China, but still followed what he asked

 

[Caizier]

Tread lightly KARL... I have been very patient and respectful with you in regards to the ridiculous wait I have endured trying to complete this transaction. If you really want to go into this deep, I can show some of the 250+ emails between us showing you giving your word GH was being shipped as we speak nearly 3 months ago now. As well as the EQ that was sent being the only products I would receive until you were re-instated back at S-F. Who is blackmailing who??

 

[Dr JIM]

"OLD" unsettled issues of this nature are of no less significance than new ones!

In fact the longer crap like this lingers the more ignorant and culpable you appear.

IMO it's just another example of you robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Moreover the notion you gave this fella a viable option has fallen on deaf ears. It's obvious this is another example of those "satisfied" customers whom were told by YOU, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT!

 

[mands]

@Caizier So you ordered EQ and GH?

mands

 

[Western-Biotech]

Caizier - u ordered sciroxx and scitropin, u got the sciroxx on a timely manner, and was very satisfied with the quality, u posted on it, u complained on the GH, I said I will replace it, I send u 25 EQ meanwhile as some replacememnt for the GH, few days ago we concluded on halo and more tabs and it's in a route, I suggested to wait for the new batch of GH, anyhow we're solving it

 

[Caizier]

I will take anyone's opinion here.. Who thinks I am being UN-reasonable. I feel after 8 months of correspondence and broken promises by yourself KARL, that the EQ should be considered as compensation for the colossal screw up I have to deal with. I said I would take the 3rd batch of GH. However you told me three weeks ago now it would only be 3 weeks. Now you say for the hundredth time to me you need more time.

Also you promised me the tabs I was shorted months upon months ago. I am tired of waiting.

It is not my intent to tar your name here or blackmail you. You have hurt your own self more than I ever could. But this seems to be the only medium to force action from you KARL...

 

[Western-Biotech]

Yes - I asked u to wait for the new batch, and yes I sent 25 EQ to repalce the bunk GH when u asked for it, and yes I reshipped missing tabs + halo + more tabs, and yes the new batch will be ready soon and not ready yet, and we work around the clock to accomplish it, so what is the exact issue here we didn't work out in mails ?