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theexperiment
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Good post dnml. Most of the posters on here who act like they are "all about the community" have a certain agenda. This thread wouldn't have gone as far as it has if this was not Karl. I don't see everyone demanding all these tests for Astro's HGH. Oh wait, that is because he is a "good bro" in certain people's eyes.
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theexperiment
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He was a brewer/reseller for Sciroxxx.
Incorrect. Astro is a total douchebag who takes a long time to ship but I never heard any gear quality complaints.
@dnml I ALWAYS wondered the same- why are people who are potentially out a great deal of money the quietest to defend the source? Why are they the least upset? Then I switch "source" with "captor" and come up with the very definition of Stockholm syndrome. Lets face it- the source has your cash, potential replacement product and your personal contact information - how much shit is someone really gonna talk?
Karl is the one who has had multiple gear complaints ranging from incorrectly labelled compounds to inaccurate dosages. I never ran his shit and I never would. His name was garbage by the time I started sniffing around the internet for gear .... the tone I keep hearing in this thread is that if you haven't risked buying products from a known scammer you shouldn't voice your opinion based on what you know to be true? Totally ridiculous.
@theexperiment I like your posts a great deal on ab although I never post there... you have a wealth of knowledge and I have respect for you. When you speak of an "agenda" that "most" have here is this something based on evidence? Is there something more than meets the eye or do you think some people give a scammer one shot, and when they swing and miss multiple times like Karl their agenda is just to get him the fuck out of here? He screwed people on gh and oils.... now he wants to peddle gh again?
I think the entire premise of a gear scammer and gh scammer saying he spent millions of dollars earned tgrough his scamming on a gh facility so that now he can help everyone out with real gh cheap (unlike the old cheap FAKE gh) is laughable.... if anyone gets burned you deserve it- it's k ike calling a list of sex offenders to babysit your kids. An OBVIOUS should have known better IMO.
I also know Jim pretty much thinks generic gh is worthless... that also adds to his agenda. Just my .02 as I sit back and watch this unfold.
Oh- @ufcguy32 is a douchebag. Big time.
theexperiment
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To be fair to Karl, I've not heard any bad stories or batches from the Sciroxx products that came from overseas. Where Sciroxx fucked up was how they set up their operation with the resellers doing the brewing and packaging,etc. A lot of resellers started to cut items with different compounds and basically fucked a lot of people over. The main complaints about Sciroxx came from the people who ordered domestic. Is this Karl's fault for setting it up that way, yes it is. However, I don't believe he meant to put out bad products and didn't mean for the products to be pure shit. As for his old HGH, that was a failure of a product. There are no and-ifs-buts about it.
And for the agenda part, I just see that different members will pick and choose their battles against certain sources and members instead of doing it without focusing on a particular brand or person. It should be done for the "greater good" and fighting all those people/sources, however due to human nature that never happens.
Western-Biotech
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For the records - I still challenge u to find a customer of mine with a complaint, I stand behind my products 100%, no one here with any complaint has to do with orders with me, I've talked to few ppl here and welcome them to post, each has a different story but no one may complain about Sciroxx from me. Quality issues may happen, I do beyond anything u would imagine to prevent such, and if does happen then I would and will always back up the customer 100%, and I challenge u to prove me wrong. I know it'll sound now like an excuse, but it's China who fucks u up on a daily basis u spoiled US boys, not Sciroxx, so lesson is learned. If we source for materials in China for AAS we always test them now, and if GH proved to be bunk we certainly found the alternative in a western lab, on which I know even the secretary in person.
The rep and quality behind Sciroxx is a legend, unfortunately my team was busted a couple of years ago, and I was hunted on my home land, articles were posted here on Meso as well on this, so for some time some resellers may have abused the name, I would never neglect my responsibility, whether a direct one or indirect, this is why I'm here for, and this is why so much resources and efforts have been invested by me and my associates in the Somastim, I was standing behind Scioroxx and still am 100%, I could and I would have many other options, as u all know, but I would and will always back up my pride and my name, I've never sold any other brand, as I know what I've offered and what have to offer, and I'm very proud at these.
The rep and quality behind Sciroxx is a legend, unfortunately my team was busted a couple of years ago, and I was hunted on my home land, articles were posted here on Meso as well on this, so for some time some resellers may have abused the name, I would never neglect my responsibility, whether a direct one or indirect, this is why I'm here for, and this is why so much resources and efforts have been invested by me and my associates in the Somastim, I was standing behind Scioroxx and still am 100%, I could and I would have many other options, as u all know, but I would and will always back up my pride and my name, I've never sold any other brand, as I know what I've offered and what have to offer, and I'm very proud at these.
Go fuck yourself Karl you European piece of shit!
I know it'll sound now like an excuse, but it's China who fucks u up on a daily basis U SPOILED US BOYS, not Sciroxx.
I know it'll sound now like an excuse, but it's China who fucks u up on a daily basis U SPOILED US BOYS, not Sciroxx.
dnml
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Had the same thought when I was reading about his "pharm grade gh" earlier. .. Again, not a slam on Astro or an endorsement of Karl, but what gives??
theexperiment
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Karl, no reason to call "US Boys" spoiled. You're the one acting childish by posting such a thing.
Western-Biotech
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Hanging around here does influence on me I guess, I take these words back, I tend to be emotional when defending on my baby, accept my apologies
Western-Biotech
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My bottom line was that dealing with China clearly proved me time after time where any quality issue stems from, U may take my word or not, but no one would dare on Sciroxx to make nothing but good quality product and establishing good long run rep and business, when u get tren mixed with god know what (just an example) or GH which contains zero GH then it means u were in my shoes and have all the right in the universe to make such posts whether sounds childish or not.
The Somastim is made is a Western country, with full control from a to z on the quality, I've proved it, and will keep proving it with your kind cooperation
The Somastim is made is a Western country, with full control from a to z on the quality, I've proved it, and will keep proving it with your kind cooperation
Astro does carry actual pharm grade geno I think... and he never tried to pass his generic off as pharm as karl has.... and he nevet scammed any spolied u.s. brats as Karl has.... (or his minions did as isis chased him through the desert).
What was really the issue is the farfetched and incorrect claims karl made about the purity of his gh (which he corrected after being an arrogant fucking piece of shit for a time), the testing that supposedly takes place throughout the manufacturing process (he has not produced ONE test he took during his supposed rhgh manufacturing quality control) and his basically trying to run his mouth with a bunch of slick shit that lightspan and jim called out as completelt incorrect.
Don't get it twisted- I really, really don't like astro and he probably hates me, but comparing him to a person who has the questionable past karl has in my above post combined with being caught in lies and half truths about his new "honest" endeavor he is now just being tooled on. I think it is fair to say most of us would like to see Karl back on the run in his homeland or whatever the fuck.
Your a joke. And pathetic. Again you must be obsessed with me or something bc a you want to do is put your 2 cents in. Listen again I'll say it. I'm not your bitch I'll be here during this or after bc I'm on this for the truth. So again mind your business and leave my name out of your mouth. Your a big Internet tough guy I get it. But in real life your a pathetic attention seeking whore. Enjoy your day.....bitch
I never said you were my bitch... you are just A bitch. If you were my bitch I would keep you away from the computer. Did you cut and paste that from your first response or is your ability to verbalize as limited as it seems?
Just kidding- you are a really big help in this thread. It's not just Meso that owes you big for your contributions in Karl's thread- the whole bodybuilding community owes you for your educated and eloquent posts in what will be the most groundbreaking growth hormone development since the pituitary gland formed in the first human being. Bravo.
Western-Biotech
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My purity claims on the Somastim were proven to be valid so far by any standards and any tests - close to a dozen unbiased serum tests as well as full university tests posted here proved it without a flaw - I said the purity tested by chemical assay, and potency tested by biological assay surpass pharma grade standards, I can't claim I'm a FDA proved lab, or official pharma brand, NOT at all, I emphasized it and am emphasizing it again, but the purity and potency adhere to pharma standard, and my whole team was or are working for pharma companies or leading R&D western institutes
dnml
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Not trying to start or get in the middle of anything with K and Astro or anyone else, but this was from Astros thread moments ago:
dnml
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That was re: his white tops, not the genos
Gonna take me a little looksie over there... thanks.
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