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johnnyBALLZ
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We don't know if it's a test of his actual product or not.. We do know the tests he did post aren't really what he said they were either though!!
I'll let the smarter guys keep pointing out the discrepancies in Karl's statements though.. They got this!!
Hmm let's see here now, perhaps I've overlooked something?
Has KARL presented any evidence which even remotely suggests HE is PRODUCING PHARM GRADE GH, NOT!
(I've asked you to answer that SIMPLE question twice now UFC, but I expected a non-response from a Karl plant)
So yea, in both instances, if the shoe fits wear it!
dnml
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Well if asking for evidence that supports anyone's claims within the scientific arena is "circular reasoning", I'm absolutely guilty as are many others on Meso including, Millard, Dr Scally, Bill Roberts and MANY other Meso members.
I'm not to surprised considering the source however, LMAO!
dnml
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It was YOUR claim knucklehead (that K is re-lypholizing and substituting Ph gh - in case you've already forgotten what you posted about).
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If K is producing pharma quality gh, shouldn't or wouldn't there be lots of testing results available at any time? I'm no expert in this area, but it seems to me there should be a hell of a lot of testing going on where his gh is manufactured. The only results we have seen from K is from something that is not gh, so why exactly has it been so difficult to even produce a proper test that at least should come from gh? I am not referring to Mands testing or the serum tests. Just strictly K's testing or lack there of. Is this the reason in a nutshell why there are doubts as to whether K is actually producing gh or just repackaging pharm grade gh? Am I missing the mark here or am I correct in this line of thinking?
Can your read?
Where am I denying that distinct possibility (Karl could be substituting Ph grade GH for generic) in this post?
What the heck are you talking about, or do you simply NOT understand the colloquialism "if the shoe fits wear it"!
Your ignorance of this thread, it's controversies, the issues, the evidence or conclusions made by myself or others is absolutely profound, COL!
dnml
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Banana
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?$7:,!&@8),678!!(,!'Oh Noooo that is indeed the problem K has yet to explain or address on Meso to those who believe scientific evidence is of paramount importance to refute or confirm outlandish claims such as an UGL producing Ph grade GH.
But then again your obviously one of those "circular reasoners" also Flounder, lol!
Regs
Jim
Now that reply is indeed "circular reasoning", lol
Western-Biotech
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Wait doc.....
You may have respected me and answer to my PM - I asked long ago what tests u like to do, and I would follow it. We have our proven set of tests, which surprise surprise are all confirmed by multiple evidence from RANDOM tests with customers.
Now it's legit to ask for more evidence, so if you like me to conduct another test I will, so stop go in circles and tell me what u like me to use ?
Mess spec ? AA seq ? I'll provide u with all the evidences incl' pics of the inspector dressed with a hat of MESO,
More then this - send me any sample - I'll give u an address, test it, and I will tests it, we'll compare to confirm we have the same results, so u know my testings are valid
You may have respected me and answer to my PM - I asked long ago what tests u like to do, and I would follow it. We have our proven set of tests, which surprise surprise are all confirmed by multiple evidence from RANDOM tests with customers.
Now it's legit to ask for more evidence, so if you like me to conduct another test I will, so stop go in circles and tell me what u like me to use ?
Mess spec ? AA seq ? I'll provide u with all the evidences incl' pics of the inspector dressed with a hat of MESO,
More then this - send me any sample - I'll give u an address, test it, and I will tests it, we'll compare to confirm we have the same results, so u know my testings are valid
Western-Biotech
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Flenser - thank u for the honest testing, I'm always happy to cooperate with the members here,
I know what I'll say now may bring this thread to a chaos again - but Sciroxx is possibly the most known UG brand out there for a reason. Now unlike Alin or Naps that you mentioned here I respect u (Meso members) and fight here to prove the quality and service I offer so thank u so much for the respect you show back ....
Flenser - send us your feedback on the gear as well,
I know what I'll say now may bring this thread to a chaos again - but Sciroxx is possibly the most known UG brand out there for a reason. Now unlike Alin or Naps that you mentioned here I respect u (Meso members) and fight here to prove the quality and service I offer so thank u so much for the respect you show back ....
Flenser - send us your feedback on the gear as well,
@Dr JIM just post the test you want Karl to do! He and others have asked you to do so. They are trusting you as I do to tell him. You of all people know how much I respect you. Hell I basically begged you to come back to MESO. And anyone here that PM's me about you I tell them you are gtg. So if you are going to lead this crusade, what tests need to be done?
If you have already posted what tests to do I'm sure it has been buried already.
mands
If you have already posted what tests to do I'm sure it has been buried already.
mands
What I know is mands test showed that he sent out pharmacy grade gh. What i said in that quote had nothing to do with him producing it. Hes been accused by you and a few others of switching out a pharmacy grade product and passing it off as his own. So what do YOU NEED to see to provide enough evidence. Mands was a random order not a sample as he had no clue what vial or person was gonna do a test like this. Serum test maybe but not a detailed test by a lab. Instead of talking in circles name the test u want and how it should be done. U say u want the truth and so do I.
muscle96ss
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I posted this request from Dr. Jim as well but he COMPLETELY IGNORED my post. Its totally obvious that Dr. Jim DOES NOT WANT A SOLUTION!!! Prove me wrong Dr. Jim!!! In fact you have no right to post anything else criticising Karl until you do!!
Western-Biotech
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Comment - I've consulted with my professor - there is no MRI test regarding GH which appear on USP ..... no clue where the hell he brought it from, but I'll be happy to hear as we don't know everything and here to cooperate.
If anything has to do with this then the test defined in USP is for testing on mice with their piturity is removed, while they being supplied with a certain protocol of GH application for 30 days, and their body composition is checked. This test is certainly NOT done on a regular basis on pharma compnies as a QA measure, but possibly one time before getting a license, not even this I'm sure at, but I'm willing to do this test for u (let me just consult with my professor), though it's a very complicated, long and expensive test, I'll take pics and give the mice names for the protocols (guess which names....)
If anything has to do with this then the test defined in USP is for testing on mice with their piturity is removed, while they being supplied with a certain protocol of GH application for 30 days, and their body composition is checked. This test is certainly NOT done on a regular basis on pharma compnies as a QA measure, but possibly one time before getting a license, not even this I'm sure at, but I'm willing to do this test for u (let me just consult with my professor), though it's a very complicated, long and expensive test, I'll take pics and give the mice names for the protocols (guess which names....)
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dnml
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Oh what I'd pay to see a couple of pituitary-less mice with "Jim 1" and "Jim 2" name placards around their necks running around a cheese maze. Lol
dnml
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Guys here is my prediction: we're not going to get a straight answer from Jim b/c he is not interested in the truth.
Pressed enough, he may initially list out some tests, but he will make sure there are unreasonable obstacles and/or will have a whole new set of issues when the results come in (i.e. OF COURSE K's testing passed, he did them! Did you PRESUME to think I didn't KNOW he would do this, where did I SAY he wouldn't RIG THEM?!?!?)
I am in *No Way saying the gh is g2g... There maybe even some truth in Jim's "shotgun" accusations, I mean he's thrown everything out there... Broken clocks are still right 2 times a day and all.
But what bugs me is he obviously has an agenda. And that's not helpful to anybody.
*This is interesting: Why is it that the members who have the most to lose in this thread - out $ for gh, serum and igf tests, MS/hplc tests, possibly injecting who knows what.... are the calm ones most interested in the truth and trying their damndest to decipher Jims BS?? ***While the ones who have NOTHING to lose and have taken on zero risk, are the ones launching personal attacks, dodging legit questions from members, making absurd racist comments, and completely losing their shit?? Oh wait, it's strictly out of their humanitarian concern for us. Riiiight...
There's def an agenda here, and I call B - fucking - S for them to not even have the balls to be straight up about it and instead hide behind some fictitious concern for the very people whose questions they're dodging and who they're launching personal attacks on.
And please, before commenting read this again, all of it, so we're on the same page. I took time to accurately state my position, please do the same for me and do not put words in my mouth.
Cliff notes version for @Dr JIM: ...Banana...
Pressed enough, he may initially list out some tests, but he will make sure there are unreasonable obstacles and/or will have a whole new set of issues when the results come in (i.e. OF COURSE K's testing passed, he did them! Did you PRESUME to think I didn't KNOW he would do this, where did I SAY he wouldn't RIG THEM?!?!?)
I am in *No Way saying the gh is g2g... There maybe even some truth in Jim's "shotgun" accusations, I mean he's thrown everything out there... Broken clocks are still right 2 times a day and all.
But what bugs me is he obviously has an agenda. And that's not helpful to anybody.
*This is interesting: Why is it that the members who have the most to lose in this thread - out $ for gh, serum and igf tests, MS/hplc tests, possibly injecting who knows what.... are the calm ones most interested in the truth and trying their damndest to decipher Jims BS?? ***While the ones who have NOTHING to lose and have taken on zero risk, are the ones launching personal attacks, dodging legit questions from members, making absurd racist comments, and completely losing their shit?? Oh wait, it's strictly out of their humanitarian concern for us. Riiiight...
There's def an agenda here, and I call B - fucking - S for them to not even have the balls to be straight up about it and instead hide behind some fictitious concern for the very people whose questions they're dodging and who they're launching personal attacks on.
And please, before commenting read this again, all of it, so we're on the same page. I took time to accurately state my position, please do the same for me and do not put words in my mouth.
Cliff notes version for @Dr JIM: ...Banana...
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