Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[ufcguy32]

Again I'll do whatever I want . I'm not owned by you. So ill keep stating whatever I feel like. I'm not acting persecuted but I'm not a little bitch and won't just do as u say. If u don't like what I say ignore it. And go read something else.

 

[muscle96ss]

Yes that's correct and if you would read my posts perhaps you would learn something.

But I'll post it ONE MORE TIME for you!
Karl has yet to present ANY internal analytical data which is even remotely suggestive the compounds HE TESTED are GH!

MANDS Has posted several tests which reveal the SAMPLES he had analyzed were a high purity protein BUT nothing that confirms that protein was indeed rHGH!

THOSE ARE THE FACTS FELLA !!!

Dr. Jim - while you seem to neglect any issues or questions that I ask of you in my posts, you continue to imply that what mands tested has not been proven to be GH. However, you only need to look back to a post you yourself made several days ago:

Ok here it is in a nut shell.

Karl has yet to prove he is selling GH, IMO

WHY bc the tests he has posted are NOT CW GH!

MANDS did perform an analysis on a compound which was most assuredly GH BUT evidence I've reviewed shows this was ACTUALLY a PHARM GRADE product (like HUMATROPE) which K would like Meso members to believe he produced! He CLEARLY DID NOT!
(I say "most assuredly" because another test called a protein/peptide sequence analysis would be required for absolute proof, the sample which MANDS had assayed was certainly rHGH, with very rare exceptions)

Now I say that with all confidence because would a lab whom was making a PH grade GH product be selling it for $2 bucks an IU as an UGL,
when it easily sells for $10 bucks an IU at your local Pharm, F no!

Now what makes me even more convinced he hasn't produced or is selling such a high end GH product is NONE of the evidence (like KARLS tests) supports that contention.
(And that's excluding K contradictions rightfully mentioned by LS, that are rife throughout this thread)

Good God man he doesn't even do a MS or a protein sequence analysis, which PROVEs the quality of any GH product.
(Sorry I get so peeved about this crap)

Oh yea and I've seen the before AND described the process earlier in this thread.

Initial buyers will probably receive a high grade although diluted GH product from K but within SIX MONTHS
when everyone is talking about " K's
GH" the quality WILL fall precipitously yet K will defend his product using early testimonials AND a few lab tests performed by mates on the good stuff, when it was being sold.

My advice if he is selling a good GH product it will be NOW, but as LS suggested if things don't add up (don't believe bozo's that say SIDE EFFECTS are proof the GH is GTG, that's pure garbage) have it tested.

Although a serum GH is better than nothing for sure the unequivocal proof lies in testing the vial content as MANDS had done.

Got it?

In addition, not only have you stated that you believe it to be pharm grade GH, but both lightspan and CBS have stated that as well(and are suggesting that he is rebottling brand name pharm grade GH and that is what mands received).

So Dr. Jim, why do you keep stating that it has not even been proven in mands tests that the sample even contained GH? The fact that you continue to do this suggests a severe bias and shows that you are not being reasonable in an attempt to aggravate the siutuation as opposed to finding a solution. While you are a very intelligent person, it detracts from your credibility and waters down the points that you present that do have merit. Karl has offered to a very fair solution where you can discuss one-on-one with his chemist any questions that you have. Why do continue to ignore this when it would clearly present a solution? You see, it doesn't look like you really want a solution or for the true facts to come out here. If you did, then you have a great pathway to get that solution. So can we please quit all the bickering, detractions, accusations, etc... and start focusing on a solution here to finding the facts and finding the truth? That is what you want, isn't it?

 

[ufcguy32]

This is what I have been saying all along. I agree with u. Let's be a part of the solution instead of fighting and challenging each other. While I do understand the burden of proof is on karl and it should be . We can also choose to be as proactive as possible in finding the truth.

 

[Dr JIM]

This is what I have been saying all along. I agree with u. Let's be a part of the solution instead of fighting and challenging each other. While I do understand the burden of proof is on karl and it should be . We can also choose to be as proactive as possible in finding the truth.

Proactive is a liberal word for doing nothing that disturbs someone else's apple cart, in this case Karl. HOW MANY TIMES MUST I ASK HIM TO POST LABS HE HAS PERFORMED on his "QA GH"???

The facts are when that was done HE FAILED MISERABLY, a fact not even he or his "prof" now denies.

I want proof is all and to date K has posted ZIPPO along those lines.

JIM

 

[brutus79]

Dr. Jim - while you seem to neglect any issues or questions that I ask of you in my posts, you continue to imply that what mands tested has not been proven to be GH. However, you only need to look back to a post you yourself made several days ago:



In addition, not only have you stated that you believe it to be pharm grade GH, but both lightspan and CBS have stated that as well(and are suggesting that he is rebottling brand name pharm grade GH and that is what mands received).

So Dr. Jim, why do you keep stating that it has not even been proven in mands tests that the sample even contained GH? The fact that you continue to do this suggests a severe bias and shows that you are not being reasonable in an attempt to aggravate the siutuation as opposed to finding a solution. While you are a very intelligent person, it detracts from your credibility and waters down the points that you present that do have merit. Karl has offered to a very fair solution where you can discuss one-on-one with his chemist any questions that you have. Why do continue to ignore this when it would clearly present a solution? You see, it doesn't look like you really want a solution or for the true facts to come out here. If you did, then you have a great pathway to get that solution. So can we please quit all the bickering, detractions, accusations, etc... and start focusing on a solution here to finding the facts and finding the truth? That is what you want, isn't it?

Don't you find it strange that if Karls facility has even half the testing that he says it does throughout the manufacturing process that he relies on serum tests posted on forums? All that is being asked of him is to show these tests he claims are a part of his qc process. He has not. Smells like bullshit to me that HE can't prove his own claims and instead the burden of proof shoul be on a member to buy gh and pay for testing and assume what they are sent will be what he intends to sell in the future. Karl should hav e yerabytes of data from monitoring every step of the gh manufacturing process.

 

[Dr JIM]

Dr. Jim - while you seem to neglect any issues or questions that I ask of you in my posts, you continue to imply that what mands tested has not been proven to be GH. However, you only need to look back to a post you yourself made several days ago:



In addition, not only have you stated that you believe it to be pharm grade GH, but both lightspan and CBS have stated that as well(and are suggesting that he is rebottling brand name pharm grade GH and that is what mands received).

So Dr. Jim, why do you keep stating that it has not even been proven in mands tests that the sample even contained GH? The fact that you continue to do this suggests a severe bias and shows that you are not being reasonable in an attempt to aggravate the siutuation as opposed to finding a solution. While you are a very intelligent person, it detracts from your credibility and waters down the points that you present that do have merit. Karl has offered to a very fair solution where you can discuss one-on-one with his chemist any questions that you have. Why do continue to ignore this when it would clearly present a solution? You see, it doesn't look like you really want a solution or for the true facts to come out here. If you did, then you have a great pathway to get that solution. So can we please quit all the bickering, detractions, accusations, etc... and start focusing on a solution here to finding the facts and finding the truth? That is what you want, isn't it?

Hell yes I'm biased, I want the truth! And whatever MANDS has is NOT what Karl is producing!
Karl's internal chemical analysis, "prof" AND "lab" PROVE IT!!

Good God man why can't you see the forest thru the trees?

Because if K is really producing pharm grade GH, damn it all, why hasn't he performed any tests to confirm that which has been manufactured is indeed PHARM GRADE GH?????

SIMPLE QUESTION!!!

 

[Dr JIM]

Dr. Jim - while you seem to neglect any issues or questions that I ask of you in my posts, you continue to imply that what mands tested has not been proven to be GH. However, you only need to look back to a post you yourself made several days ago:



In addition, not only have you stated that you believe it to be pharm grade GH, but both lightspan and CBS have stated that as well(and are suggesting that he is rebottling brand name pharm grade GH and that is what mands received).

So Dr. Jim, why do you keep stating that it has not even been proven in mands tests that the sample even contained GH? The fact that you continue to do this suggests a severe bias and shows that you are not being reasonable in an attempt to aggravate the siutuation as opposed to finding a solution. While you are a very intelligent person, it detracts from your credibility and waters down the points that you present that do have merit. Karl has offered to a very fair solution where you can discuss one-on-one with his chemist any questions that you have. Why do continue to ignore this when it would clearly present a solution?

Dr. Jim - while you seem to neglect any issues or questions that I ask of you in my posts, you continue to imply that what mands tested has not been proven to be GH. However, you only need to look back to a post you yourself made several days ago:



In addition, not only have you stated that you believe it to be pharm grade GH, but both lightspan and CBS have stated that as well(and are suggesting that he is rebottling brand name pharm grade GH and that is what mands received).

So Dr. Jim, why do you keep stating that it has not even been proven in mands tests that the sample even contained GH? The fact that you continue to do this suggests a severe bias and shows that you are not being reasonable in an attempt to aggravate the siutuation as opposed to finding a solution. While you are a very intelligent person, it detracts from your credibility and waters down the points that you present that do have merit. Karl has offered to a very fair solution where you can discuss one-on-one with his chemist any questions that you have. Why do continue to ignore this when it would clearly present a solution? You see, it doesn't look like you really want a solution or for the true facts to come out here. If you did, then you have a great pathway to get that solution. So can we please quit all the bickering, detractions, accusations, etc... and start focusing on a solution here to finding the facts and finding the truth? That is what you want, isn't it?

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Did YOU read line 7 m-96?

Because I elaborate on my comment "Mands sample was most assuredly gh" . . . . . . .because I define exactly why I preface that statement with "most assuredly! I state "a protein sequence analysis MUST also be done to CONFIRM the sample was GH".

Did you overlook that fact when responding with such a prolonged diatribe about my contradictions and lack of credibility? Hmm, try again fella!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Doc - I shpwed and specified the tests we've been doing, above all of them, and most important is the biological assay test, which confirms the actual clinic effect of the Somastim, I repeat - follow the procedure for biological assay tests as defined in the pharmautical litrature quoted by my professor.

Now - if you like to refute any of my claims, and above all the quality of the Somastim lets conduct any test on any lab you declare - arrange now a lab and lets do it, involve the admin so u know nothing is manipulated and lets go, I'm with u,

God help me there is no limit to the continuous Bullshit u keep posting here, I said - give me an independent lab, involve the admin for unbiased anony test and lets go,

 

[Dr JIM]

Doc - I shpwed and specified the tests we've been doing, above all of them, and most important is the biological assay test, which confirms the actual clinic effect of the Somastim, I repeat - follow the procedure for biological assay tests as defined in the pharmautical litrature quoted by my professor.

Now - if you like to refute any of my claims, and above all the quality of the Somastim lets conduct any test on any lab you declare - arrange now a lab and lets do it, involve the admin so u know nothing is manipulated and lets go, I'm with u,

God help me there is no limit to the continuous Bullshit u keep posting here, I said - give me an independent lab, involve the admin for unbiased anony test and lets go,

Good God K don't insult my intelligence. How is any independent lab actually going to PROVE you actually manufactured the product? Couldn't you just slip them another Ph grade Mickey?
Hey I have an idea how about YOU pay for the ANALYSIS INCLUDING the MRI steroscopic spectrograph??? How about it old chum?

 

[Western-Biotech]

The admin may place any anony order to know I couldn't manipulate the sample, and use any independent lab, WTF is not clear here ? but you may do it yourself of course to be sure

Choose any test you like to, make an anony order, and test it,

I offered it from day one.

Now lets say that I don't make the product, I just send it ... does it really matter to the members ? they get pharma grade, and u may repeat this anony test every month, or even everyday, cause this is what we supply - pharma grade, not F'n brain drilling like u have been doing.

Anyhow - we do make the product, and this is a clear statement, and all tests which have been done prove it clearly, u choose to mislead everyone here, lucky us ppl have enough brain as I learn fron the comments behind the scenes, and this nonsense turns to be a joke on your behalf,

U and a couple of other members act like terrorist and really discourage from nice members to participate in this discussion as u turned it into a baseless argument

 

[ufcguy32]

How about we choose someone who got the first batch. Take a sample of that anonymously so Karl does not know who it is. Take that and Karl if he agrees pays for the test you ask. Can the place mands sent his to do that test? Or if u know a place that would do the testing ?

 

[Dr JIM]

Good God K don't insult my intelligence. How is any independent lab actually going to PROVE you actually manufactured the product? Couldn't you just slip them another Ph grade Mickey?
Hey I have an idea how about YOU pay for the ANALYSIS INCLUDING the MRI steroscopic spectrograph??? How about it old chum?

Unless your going to answer the QUESTIONS K we have nothing to talk about!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Not sure if your post refers to me doc...... you may talk to my professor and raise any question

 

[Dr JIM]

How about we choose someone who got the first batch. Take a sample of that anonymously so Karl does not know who it is. Take that and Karl if he agrees pays for the test you ask. Can the place mands sent his to do that test? Or if u know a place that would do the testing ?

So what your really saying is K has NOT performed internal analyses of the "GH he is producing"!

We rest assured I will have his "GH" tested on a random basis, and that's when the bottom will fall out.

 

[Dr JIM]

Not sure if your post refers to me doc...... you may talk to my professor and raise any question

We have nothing to discuss then K!!

 

[ufcguy32]

If that's what happens then he will have to answer for it. As long as it's done fairly and properly then I'm all for it

 

[ufcguy32]

Not sure if your post refers to me doc...... you may talk to my professor and raise any question

No he's asking you to pay for the testing he referred to

 

[Western-Biotech]

If the admin is responsible I'll pay

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

If the admin is responsible I'll pay

No mod or admin here is going to get involved or help you with anything. You've suggested that half a dozen times today..

Meso isn't like the other boards you're used to running game on..

 

[Western-Biotech]

Wait a sec ...... what a specific test may prove that wasn't proved so far, I'll ask the professor, cause so far all tests done by Mands proved anything beyond any doubt ...... what is the change now ?

I'll be happy to pay, but this is another step in his nonsense, say we make up a new test and call it Z, what may it prove now ? I may still be the one not to manufacture the test sent for examination .... this is going in circles, and the only one to enjoy it and he takes us far from the truth is the doc