Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[romaleos]

So K is making "pharm grade GH"
yet can't produce any internal tests that were conducted to prove the quality was indeed pharm grade?

Now you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know THAT'S ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!

Doc,

If you are correct in your assessment, how could Karl's product produce positive serum tests if it is not GH? What other compound could produce such results? Peptides? It cannot be a placebo effect for tests to come back in the ranges we have been seeing.

I'm not an expert nor taking sides. Just trying to come to the most objective assessment of the current facts and learn something new.

 

[Western-Biotech]

CBS - follow the comments of my professor to the exact SDS-page testing.

If have any doubts lets arrange a real expert, I mean a real doc, not like our scam doc, and he may discuss such technical detail with my professor and express an expert opinion

It's honestly not for DrJim, you or me to discuss such detail, as we lack the complete knowledge, this is why I have an analytic chemist as the head of my team

 

[Western-Biotech]

One thing I know as a fact - the doc is right 100% - serum tests may give an indication for the content, they tell shit about the purity, quality, and above all - the clinical effect of the GH

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Oh please spare me the BS

No informed physician is going to say the quality or purity of GH is best determined using serum GH or IGF levels.

The FACT is the best predictor of GH quality is THE CLINICAL RESPONSE.

Have you ever heard of that, lol!

This doctor (Alpha) he's talking about runs a bunch of anti-aging/TRT clinics in south Florida. Need I say more?

 

[ufcguy32]

I never said one word about purity and serum tests. Let me say it again so u can understand. You claimed that this is not gh nor has anyone proved it's gh. I'll pull up your damn quote If I have to. So what I said is you keep saying that the product isn't gh at all. And a serum test does show that you are using gh supplementation but not the biological activity or purity.

 

[ufcguy32]

Answer my question about pro muscle. What's your Board handle name or former one should I say?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Karl's product could produce great serum tests, but have no clinical effect, this could be the truth till Mands tests, and any such tests to follow,

The problem with GH, actually multiple probs are -

- It tend to create aggrevates (no clue how to say so in English, but someone will help me to find the term) it describes the tendency of the molecule of this protein to fold into each other, which prevents them from interaction with the receptor

- Slight damage to the 3 dimensional structure will do the same

Both happen under non proper incubation of the bacteria which host in its DNA the GH molecule and especially under poor purification process, like done in china which lacks the technology and the motivation to follow much more expensive manufacturing process, the SDS-page test for instance inspect immediately the present of agrevates, and if the docs want to know why in our manufacturing process we don't invest the efforts to do a mess spec it's becuase we already checked tha our Fn bacteria has the molecule and we just confirm nothing id harmed like I described above

 

[Dr JIM]

Doc,

If you are correct in your assessment, how could Karl's product produce positive serum tests if it is not GH? What other compound could produce such results? Peptides? It cannot be a placebo effect for tests to come back in the ranges we have been seeing.

I'm not an expert nor taking sides. Just trying to come to the most objective assessment of the current facts and learn something new.

Your talking about separate issues mate, bc it's true serum GH levels fluctuate in a diurnal manner an observed "increase" MAY be nothing more than a natural elevation.

For this reason GH levels must be performed exactly as the lab instructs.

This baseline level should be compared to the post injection value between 2-4 hours thereafter.

If someone wants to use serum GH as an assay a relatively high dose between 5 IU should be used, bc an increase of GH SHOULD be observed, unless the product is either not GH or of very low purity.

Some GHRF can result in an elevation of GH BUT that increase is typically very short lived bc these "peptides" have a half life of minutes. The latter prevents a sustained release of GH beyond a 2 hour window.

However it seems likely some of the long chain GH polypeptides, the result of trypsin enzymatic GH cleavage, may result in a more sustained production of GH. Further analysis will be required to determine if such is the case.

Regs
Jim

 

[ufcguy32]

Well at least i know he actually has an md. He arranged testing on peptides etc. He gave a lot of great info as well.



QUOTE="CensoredBoardsSuck, post: 1096284, member: 60474"]This doctor (Alpha) he's talking about runs a bunch of anti-aging/TRT clinics in south Florida. Need I say more?

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[Western-Biotech]

Why won't the doc lab test the Somastim then, I would like to encourage him to do so, he may talk to my professor as well

 

[ufcguy32]

So let's see if we can agree if someone takes a injection 10iu intramuscular and has blood drawn 3 hours later. Gh serum comes up at 25. Do agree there is gh in that vial yes or no? Not saying anything about the purity or biological activity.

 

[muscle96ss]

Well if you believe you can determine the quality, concentration, or purity of a GH sample by measuring serum levels or IGF levels you don't understand the meaning of an International Unit, because an IU measures the BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITY of a substance such as growing SKM.

Serum assays are NOT viable estimates of GH for several other reasons namely those factors which alter the level itself such as; prior GH level, albumin level, body weight, trimming of the assay, gastric food content, stress levels, renal function, volume of distribution, hepatic function etc.

Thus AT BEST serum GH levels can ONLY be used to determine if someone IS SUPPLEMENTING GH, and that my friend is the position of the IOC and essentially every PRD testing organization.

(So your "experience" is in error" )

The level can NOT be used to QUANTIFY the degree of supplementation

Finally who do you believe are those whom are primarily responsible for the posting of complimentary PED data on that shill board ProMuscle, where EACH PLACARD ADD costs roughly 3K?

Oh sure it gotta be those thankful customers, NOT!

Why isn't PM the same board where "alinsShope" received the AAS site of the year award?

No wonder folks like K use it as a refuge to post unfettered garbage.

Dr. Jim - You seem like a very intelligent person(although I have no proof) but your reading comprehension of what I have written is not very good, you don't answer my questions, nor do respond to the actual content and meaning of what I have written. You simply pick out a couple words in the post, take them out of context, and find something to try to poke a hole in it; all while rambling on about nothing pertinent to what I had just written.

 

[ufcguy32]

Yep sounds about right

 

[muscle96ss]

Musles96ss - I appreciate your trust in my product so far, I know this is a honest unbiased support so I do appreciate it, but why the fuck I have a shady past ? cause someone here who has never dealt or talked to me said so ??? what inconsistency I showed ? WTF ? I have been working very hard to accomplish a great product for u, I haven't strayed for one sec from my promises or commitments... WTF ???

2 reasons Karl. Firstly, the scitropin fiasco - I know you got scammed by the chinese biotech company, but it still mars your past. Secondly, your remailers have screwed people over before as I have seen several bad labmax tests of your products. Whether or not you knew about it; its still makes you look bad. So when I say shady, what I mean is that for someone who doesn't know you or the full stories behind everything that has transpired and simply knows the events that have occurred, it would be enough for a prudent person to be cautious.

 

[Western-Biotech]

My remailers didn't screw up a dick, one remailer stole products and resold them here,
There is not a single complaint of anyone who's ever dealt with me, or my sites, if a supplier encountered an issue, then it has never been brought to my attention, no one has ever wrote to sciroxx.com and hasn't got a proper solution, just like u got with your GH,

I said clearly here on this thread, and say again, I'm here in person, to take responsibility on any product which carry the name of my brands, lesson is learned. There will be no excuses

We all know that this is the worst place to launch a product, considering the approach here, but I took the challenge and stand behind the product, I'm here daily to provide any assistance or info u may need, I won't go away.

What a fiasco in China has to do with inconsistency bro ? I got a nice car last year, which apparently could go into flames with no reason, I got a recall and issue is taken care, same way - if I suffered from a fiasco I was there to fix it and took care of customers like I should, shit may happen, we do the best to avoid it, but if happens we're there to handle it

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Look, I think there are some things we can agree on here if we are reasonable. Firstly, I think we can agree that what Karl is CURRENTLY shipping to customers is high quality GH that at this point and time is a better deal than any generic on the market. Secondly, I think we can agree that Karl's past does create some concern. Thirdly, I think we can agree that Karl is a salesman and likes to talk and can be inconsistent at times. With all that said, the reason why I think that he will produce a consistent product is because logically he has no reason to scam. You see, I have been talking with Karl back and forth for the past 6 months starting when I uncovered his bunk Scitropin fiasco. So I have a little greater depth on understanding Karl andwhats going on as well as here is the big thing; HE HAS NO REASON/MOTIVATION to pull off a scam. There is absolutely no logical reason why he would not have exited the GH game back in March. Look at the details; he lost roughly $100K in his venture with the scam chinese biotech company. Now he is replacing the bunk Scitropin with this same pharm grade GH which costs him more money. Now, due to the injection issues, he has to re-replace the GH one more time which again costs him more money. So from a monetary standpoint; when he changes over to bunk or lower quality GH or whatever you think he is going to do; how much of that does he need sell before he even gets back to where he started, let alone make a profit. And how long do you think it will be before someone catches on and knows that something about the GH has changed as people are running serums and IGF-1's all the time now. And then once he becomes known as a scammer, his Sciroxx brand will take a huge hit because nobody will trust him. So when you look at it from a logic standpoint, I can understand peoples concerns, but it just doesn't make any sense that he would not follow through.

No it doesn't make sense but scammers are sociopaths that do not think "logically"..

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

My remailers didn't screw up a dick, one remailer stole products and resold them here,
There is not a single complaint of anyone who's ever dealt with me, or my sites, if a supplier encountered an issue, then it has never been brought to my attention, no one has ever wrote to sciroxx.com and hasn't got a proper solution, just like u got with your GH,

I said clearly here on this thread, and say again, I'm here in person, to take responsibility on any product which carry the name of my brands, lesson is learned. There will be no excuses

We all know that this is the worst place to launch a product, considering the approach here, but I took the challenge and stand behind the product, I'm here daily to provide any assistance or info u may need, I won't go away.

What a fiasco in China has to do with inconsistency bro ? I got a nice car last year, which apparently could go into flames with no reason, I got a recall and issue is taken care, same way - if I suffered from a fiasco I was there to fix it and took care of customers like I should, shit may happen, we do the best to avoid it, but if happens we're there to handle it

Wow!! It's too late for me to tear the shit out of you tonight.. See you tomorrow...

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

The things you continue to say about me tell me that you do not know a thing about me or what I contribue to the boards and that your instincts are completely off. I agree that Karl has a shady past but he is currently putting out pharm grade GH. As long as we due our due dillegence in continued testing then we should be good.

You're probably right. I tend to be suspicious of people from ProMuscle, OLM, etc. and for me to read a few of your posts on PM and think I could define you was presumptuous.

Look, I think we're all trying to find the truth here. As I said earlier, I was skeptical of K's GH endeavor but willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when Mands' test results came back.
However, K hasn't been forthcoming with his test results. Thus far, he has been unable to prove he even has the capability to produce GH and that is a point of contention for many of us.

The only test results on GH that we've seen posted belong to Mands'. K has produced nothing except some test that wasn't done on GH. I don't have to tell you how difficult it is to manufacture GH and no one can produce it with the level of purity shown in Mands tests without doing extensive testing. So where is K's data? Why does he continue to deflect and attack while not providing the test results that would help prove he's making GH? If he is telling the truth, he should be able to post those tests.

So do I believe K is currently shipping GH? Yes. Do I believe he is making it himself? Not in a million years.

Regards
CBS

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Wow!! It's too late for me to tear the shit out of you tonight.. See you tomorrow...

It wouldn't make any difference anyway, Johnny. K's responses remind me of calling the billing department for my satellite provider with a complaint. You always get a Habib or a Wang and their answers are whatever the computer tells them to say, whether it's relevant to the complaint or not. And those answers are always given in English that is incomprehensible - on purpose, no doubt.

 

[Dr JIM]

Answer my question about pro muscle. What's your Board handle name or former one should I say?

Your demanding tone makes me suspect you believe your on PM, not!

But since we are on Meso where SHILLS and your mandates don't mean SHIIT, I'll pass