Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Dr JIM]

Or perhaps you haven't opened your eyes and noticed that Karl is currently shipping pharm grade GH; oh wait you actually admitted it earlier.

Fella people believe what they want to believe and your definitely no different.

One person had an analysis performed on a sample he received in which the purity of that protein sample was of a pharm grade quality if it was GH. However none of Mands tests confirmed the sample was even GH

Your being very presumptuous if you believe "KARL is shipping a pham grade GH product to all comers, and if that is the case for now, you better get it while you can, because it won't last long, since HE IS NOT MAKING PH GRADE GH, PERIOD! (I've visited the Humatrope plant with a colleague and the equipment Karl posted couldn't bake cookies, lol)

You mention the garbage GH you received from K earlier and EVEN those on Private Muscle (a well established shill board) were reluctant to believe you would receive a refund, but you did, great. What about the others who received that same garbage,,,,I'll bet not!

JIM

 

[Western-Biotech]

I have to say that in the history of this industry no SRC has ever put in your service a facility in this standard, analytic chemist at your service for live conversation, to specify and explain each QA detail in front of any expert you recruit, and a set of perfect independent and random lab test, incl' a dozen of serum tests.....

I guess the ego of some members here, and their mouth are more important then the favor of this community, I still challange them to make their random anonymous order, and test it, or even talk live to our professor, or someone should has already shut their mouths

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I have to say that in the history of this industry no SRC has ever put in your service a facility in this standard,

Are you joking? Please tell me you are joking. No source in history has ever "put in our service a facility in this standard? LMFAO

You posted a picture of a box of rubber gloves and a computer propped up on a garbage can and think that proves you are making GH? Please! Your facility looks like a pigsty.

I guess the ego of some members here, and their mouth are more important then the favor of this community, I still challange them to make their random anonymous order, and test it, or even talk live to our professor, or someone should has already shut their mouths

Karl, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt but your deflections, inconsistent statements, inability to even post your own lab tests, and constant ad hominems have convinced me that you are not being honest. I'm sure you'll reply with another ad hominem about my ego but I WILL NOT shut my mouth. This isn't ProMuscle. There are no mods coming to your rescue here. Got it?

 

[brutus79]

@CensoredBoardsSuck and @Dr JIM I was sold when I saw he had a shelf with multiple bottles with colored caps on it. Looks official to me. He even has a fancy postal scale in case he needs to mail refunds to unfortunate consumers.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Or perhaps you haven't opened your eyes and noticed that Karl is currently shipping pharm grade GH; oh wait you actually admitted it earlier.

Guy, you've been involved in this racket for more than a dozen years and you're still getting burned by sources. Perhaps it is you who should "open your eyes" because if you haven't been able to locate a cheap source for legit GH yet, you are doing something wrong.

We've seen what Karl is "currently shipping." We've also seen what he's shipped in the past. And past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. If you want to take a chance (yet again), fill your boots. I'll pass.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

@CensoredBoardsSuck and @Dr JIM I was sold when I saw he had a shelf with multiple bottles with colored caps on it. Looks official to me. He even has a fancy postal scale in case he needs to mail refunds to unfortunate consumers.

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I see he has a bottle of disinfectant spray on the desk too. Sterilization is SO important.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

@CensoredBoardsSuck and @Dr JIM I was sold when I saw he had a shelf with multiple bottles with colored caps on it. Looks official to me. He even has a fancy postal scale in case he needs to mail refunds to unfortunate consumers.

Compare to Eli Lilly's rhGH production facilities. The similarities are striking.

Not a box of rubber gloves or a trash can in sight!

 

[muscle96ss]

Fella people believe what they want to believe and your definitely no different.

One person had an analysis performed on a sample he received in which the purity of that protein sample was of a pharm grade quality if it was GH. However none of Mands tests confirmed the sample was even GH

Your being very presumptuous if you believe "KARL is shipping a pham grade GH product to all comers, and if that is the case for now, you better get it while you can, because it won't last long, since HE IS NOT MAKING PH GRADE GH, PERIOD! (I've visited the Humatrope plant with a colleague and the equipment Karl posted couldn't bake cookies, lol)

You mention the garbage GH you received from K earlier and EVEN those on Private Muscle (a well established shill board) were reluctant to believe you would receive a refund, but you did, great. What about the others who received that same garbage,,,,I'll bet not!

JIM

You obviously didn't read what I posted. YES!!! Every single person that was sent the bunk GH was compensated with other product or the new pharm grade GH. So I guess you lose the bet!! Also, thus far everyone has received the same GH that mands received as there have been numerous consistent serum tests performed thus far and the appearance and injection irritation is consistent as well. So considering there are lab tests as well as serum tests, I am not sure what your beef is. In fact I have not ever seen any source go this far or take this much shit to prove his products. Its obvious that you have something personal witk Karl and therefore have a biased opinion.

 

[Dr JIM]

I have to say that in the history of this industry no SRC has ever put in your service a facility in this standard, analytic chemist at your service for live conversation, to specify and explain each QA detail in front of any expert you recruit, and a set of perfect independent and random lab test, incl' a dozen of serum tests.....

I guess the ego of some members here, and their mouth are more important then the favor of this community, I still challange them to make their random anonymous order, and test it, or even talk live to our professor, or someone should has already shut their mouths

No "analytical chemist" would subject themselves to the scrutiny you have generated K

No "analytical chemist" would have erred, at the level of a second grader, by releasing purity and molecular weight data on compound that was different than that which was supposed to be tested

No "analytical chemist" with half a brain would willingly provide testimony for an UGL especially one that was manufacturing ILLEGAL substances.

No legitimate AC would work with a "company" which could result in their incarceration

So it's just more K bullshit!

 

[Dr JIM]

You obviously didn't read what I posted. YES!!! Every single person that was sent the bunk GH was compensated with other product or the new pharm grade GH. So I guess you lose the bet!! Also, thus far everyone has received the same GH that mands received as there have been numerous consistent serum tests performed thus far and the appearance and injection irritation is consistent as well. So considering there are lab tests as well as serum tests, I am not sure what your beef is. In fact I have not ever seen any source go this far or take this much shit to prove his products. Its obvious that you have something personal witk Karl and therefore have a biased opinion.

Serum tests? Hmm what evidence can you provide that supports their use as a reliable means of quantifying personal GH use? None, or should I try K's website?

What evidence can you provide that EVERYONE got a refund? None or should I try K's website?

Where can I locate the serum GH data bank your referring to? K's web site?

Are you a Karl shill? Want to start a poll or should I try K's website?

 

[Western-Biotech]

The filling of the vials is done in a sterile room, standard one, this has nothing to do with the biotech equipment u asked to see which I showed, and not of an interest to the skeptical here, I may take pics of it either .....

Now In purpose I took authentic pics of a day in work in the R&D room, just like promised, these are not for commercial use like u posted for Eli Lilli, if you like to see commercial shit I'll send u brochure pics, but then you'll have something else to say I guess.

With your permission - test the product, or shut up, I said pharma grade, and no matter how loud the dogs here bark their nonsense this is what we deliver, test and see,

And I still ask for an analytic chemist to talk with my professor, so all the posted shit on any doubts on QA will be behind us, here anyone may say anything without backing it up, I back my statements up - lets talk with your expert

 

[Western-Biotech]

Doc - Serum tests were done by anonymous orders from reliable vets, so is the independent lab tests

You're so full of shit, that this is unbearable - why don't u test it ? test it in your lab doc ...... why u hide behind your keyboard with baseless claims ?

 

[muscle96ss]

Serum tests? Hmm what evidence can you provide that supports their use as a means of GH quantification? None!

What evidence can you provide that EVERYONE got a refund? None!

Where can I locate the serum GH data bank your referring to? K's web site?

Are you a Karl shill? Want to start a poll?

1.) I have done numerous serum tests over the years and know what I am doing; just check my history on ProM and you will see. I have also done IGF-1 tests down the road to back them up at times and plan on doing that with this GH once the injection issue is rectified. So considering the lab tests that mands had done along with the serum GH test, I think anyone of normal mind without bias would conclude that there is GH in the vial. In fact, how many others selling GH on Meso have gone to these lengths in testing their products? Can you prove that the vial I did my serum test with did not contain pharma grade GH??

2.) I can't prove that EVERY single person received a refund, but I have remained in contact with many ProM members throughout the entire process and have not received 1 single PM or seen 1 single post with someone complaining that they are still looking for a resolution. Seriously, lets be reasonable here. Can you prove that Karl has not made good on his word of replacing the bunk GH??

3.) You can goto professionalmuscle.com and search through Karl's sponsor threads where people have posted their results. I am not aware of any source on this planet having a test bank of serum scores. I am not sure if your question is serious or just meant to agitate and stir the pot as you like to do. In fact, I believe your stirring the pot is only helping Karl because people see what is going on in this thread and choose to ignore what you are saying when you do occasionally have some good points. However, they get lost with all the other sarcastic and harrasing comments.

4.) No, I am not a shill. Please goto ProM and look at the sciroxx thread around mid-march on. I think you will find a large number of posts of mine ripping Karl a new asshole and not one defending him. I received plenty of PM's from him asking me to delete my posts and accusing me of ruining his business. Thats not consistent with the behavior of a shill. I will also back that up with my reupation on PM, ask anyone on there you want, my actions speak for themselves. Perhaps you could prove that I am shill since you are so big with everything needing proof.

One more thing doc, why don't you run some tests on Karl's GH and prove that its not pharm grade GH?? You seem to know so much about this stuff, why don't you put up or shut up?

 

[ufcguy32]

Actually I'm pretty sure mands confirmed it was gh in fact it was the first test performed. He said this already and if it's different he can let us know. Fact is he had a well established lab test it. And it came back good. Test it. We have some smart people here. Surely you have the means necessary to get it tested. So do it and post the results. If it comes back bad we know he is full of shit. If it's good well then it's good and we still test it.

 

[ufcguy32]

I agree I've already been betting 10k dollars like it's nothing. It should definitely be fairly easy for a high roller like you to have it tested right? Or we take a random sample and we have mands test it again and we all pitch in to cover it . Sounds fair? Do u really want to know if it's good gh or we can just keep bashing Karl. That is not really accomplishing much imo

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

So I have been watching this shit unfold since it started. For someone like me, I have no resources or ANY means to have gear tested. I have been reading here that its the biggest mouths opposing this GH and nailing down a shit storm on Karl BUT not testing it yourselves. I feel like if you have the means to get it tested, DO IT! If your a nobody like me all we can do is sit back and hope for the best. Tons of complicated questions and inconsistencies about where labs are or aren't definitely will not prove whether his GH is good or not so why still poke? Shits good or it isn't right?

If I had the means to get something tested i would. If it came back bad then the shit storm can be unleashed. What else are we hoping to accomplish by drilling when no matter what answers we read to those questions do not define whether the product is legit or not right?

What I am willing to do is donate towards the cost of testing by members who DO have access. Unfortunately its the best I can do or contribute but I feel it would be better served then just pages of hate that dont physically show shit.

Again if you have access, let me know and I'll try to help with getting things tested. My mouth will stay shut til I have some concrete evidence of poor quality. Hope this helps, im sure others without access are also willing.

Maybe Mr. Millard can set up a section where he can have a pool created and overlooked by well known members to assist in the reduction in costs of having tests run like in this situation.

 

[Dr JIM]

Compare to Eli Lilly's rhGH production facilities. The similarities are striking.

Not a box of rubber gloves or a trash can in sight!

I think those are called contaminants, lol!

 

[Dr JIM]

So I have been watching this shit unfold since it started. For someone like me, I have no resources or ANY means to have gear tested. I have been reading here that its the biggest mouths opposing this GH and nailing down a shit storm on Karl BUT not testing it yourselves. I feel like if you have the means to get it tested, DO IT! If your a nobody like me all we can do is sit back and hope for the best. Tons of complicated questions and inconsistencies about where labs are or aren't definitely will not prove whether his GH is good or
not so why still poke? Shits good or it isn't right?

Well that's where you and I disagree.

Why is it the consumers responsibility to prove any product is GTG especially one like K whom come to Mesi spewing QA nonsense, none which is supported by anything he's posted, except lip service.

Have u seen K post ANY analytical analysis on his "GH"?

Oh I most certainly have and what HE POSTED was most certainly NOT GH.

Perhaps you should spend a little more time reviewing the thread before you post some misinformed idea of what many vets on Meso are concerned about!

 

[muscle96ss]

Guy, you've been involved in this racket for more than a dozen years and you're still getting burned by sources. Perhaps it is you who should "open your eyes" because if you haven't been able to locate a cheap source for legit GH yet, you are doing something wrong.

We've seen what Karl is "currently shipping." We've also seen what he's shipped in the past. And past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. If you want to take a chance (yet again), fill your boots. I'll pass.

The things you continue to say about me tell me that you do not know a thing about me or what I contribue to the boards and that your instincts are completely off. I agree that Karl has a shady past but he is currently putting out pharm grade GH. As long as we due our due dillegence in continued testing then we should be good.

 

[Dr JIM]

If you believe K fine and dandy but let's not make efforts to censor the well founded opinions of others just because you don't understand them.