Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Western-Biotech]

Again - first SciTropin was made in Korea, it's a fact, and you're welcome tyo talk to founder members on professionalmuscle who tested it from Korea year ago, we moved production to China,

 

[Western-Biotech]

You rely on quote which u put out of contest, not sure how you dare to post things that are easy to contradict

 

[Western-Biotech]

And anyhow what is the interest to provide with false location ?! i suggest you to concentrate on issues which are relevant my friend

 

[Western-Biotech]

Actually our venture in China, and the interaction with the scam there, is the one which lead us to the recognition that in order to provide the quality we aim to we must control the production and QA from a to z .

Hundreds of customers followed this process actually.

I have to say that we saved to efforts or resources to achieve this.

I put my name behind anything I sold proudly, and took full responsibility till the last penny if we encountered any issue, and again many dozens of customers will testify on this, including here. So far the balance in this GH venture is certainly not for my favor, and as some commented here already, I could take advantage and scam many ppl and stay with the cash, something I would never conceive

I said and say again - test the Somastim by any standards and then draw the conclusions you should

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Karl's "Scitropin" from March, 31. Posted on Eroids - another Angus special.

According to Karl:

"The product is manufactured in our GMP facility in Korea and withstand with the strictest USP quality assurance standards"​

 

[Western-Biotech]

Where is the problem here ? I said clearly that we had a great venture in Korea, problem with strict customs prevented us from massive shipments to meet the demand of our customers, we moved then to China

 

[Dr JIM]

Where is the problem here ? I said clearly that we had a great venture in Korea, problem with strict customs prevented us from massive shipments to meet the demand of our customers, we moved then to China

Is this how you are currently obtaining "purity data" K?

 

[Western-Biotech]

quality is superb like mentioned

 

[Western-Biotech]

this was an independent test doc, not done by me, they tested anonymously our quality, and yes mess spec is the common method for this in the university,

96% purity, above anything which ever came from china, EVER

 

[Dr JIM]

I said and say again - test the Somastim by any standards and then draw the conclusions you should

Actually I was honestly hoping you would have ALREADY done that testing K, but to date I've seen NO CHEMICAL ANALYSIS which would even remotely confirm "YOUR LAB" has been testing the products being sold as "rHGH".

Nope the fact is the tests you have posted are not even of GH.

Please explain these discrepancies.

 

[Dr JIM]

So which one of the tests above, most likely performed by ANGUS "in a University" supports a GH purity of 96% ?
Will you have to catch a plane soon?

Never mind I'll be brief providing you actually answer, rather than deflect, my questions.

If unsure maybe it's best you consult with your professor, we don't want another GEP MW or SDS purity blunder, on your behalf, to hamper Meso sales.

 

[Western-Biotech]

The test by Angus was done 1.5 years ago on SciTropin.

I quoted the brief from the professor regarding the tests done in our facility to determine the purity and quality,

Above all tests the most significant is the biological assay test which confirms the effect of our product on prolifiration of living tissue, this test is 3 days test, much more complicated and expensive then mess spec BTW

I said clearly, if you have any doubts order Somastim, make a mess spec, and confirm the purity by this test

What makes me really wonder is why the hell u still confuse here good members with your ego mania games doc ? we all know you're very very smart and we love u, u r the doc,

No need for mess spec to asses the clinical effect of the Somastim if you follow our 3 stage tests, follow his explanation, and if any issue to raise pls do,

the rest may rely of pharma grade quality, and may confirm this by mess spec, AA seq' or any other standard, I actually more then encourage this

 

[Dr JIM]

I've heard all that before K attack the messenger when one cant rebut the message.

Humans are not cell cultures K so I don't care what studies on the latter because they prove nothing, since that form of data is easily fabricated with logarithmic charts, graphs, and AUC analyses!

Show me the chemical analyses on the
"SciTropin" K otherwise I and prob everyone else should believe they were NEVER performed.

Deflecting questions won't get you sales so I'll ask one more time! What studies posted by CBS from YOUR WEBSITE reveal data on purity?

I've seen this identical format before and "Angus" is at the end of every one I've seen.

Does he meet the educational requirements to post analytical chemical data and interpret the results as deemed necessary for your QA?

Would "BTG" use this information to support the quality of their products, LMAO? (Recall BTG, a highly respected and traded Biologic facility in Israel, is the model you've contended you follow for testing standards) Well back that statement up with THOSE TESTS.

I want ONE thing K and that's the truth bc I'm tired of people getting scammed by unscrupulous UGL who say they are selling high quality gear, "GH in particular, yet when received by customers it's bunk.

Now I've NO DOUBT the only way for UGL to prove they are not out to F customers is to post reliable and reproducible data on the products they sell. If that's not possible customers will be screwed, period!

So explain the discrepancies I mentioned earlier and this "purity data" listed above OR I'll do it for you whichever you prefer makes no difference to me, but don't contend you were not givens chance to respond, so F "Dr Jim and his ego" bullshit!

Jim

 

[Western-Biotech]

For any dicrepency pls refer to the professor specified reply, if have any comment pls forward me and you'll get a specified reply within 24 hours.

I have no clue how and why you associate between excellent lab tests done on the SciTropin 1.5 years ago to anything now, but again the mess spec from 1.5 years ago proved proper dosed and 96% purity, and again superior to anything ever came from China, this venture in Korea is no longer exist, but also constant serum tests from there from very reliable vets were posted

The biological assay test is in use by pharmaceutical companies, and is the final frontier in this field and is the actual test for the clinical effect we all take the GH for, bring here any authorized expert that may claim differently, actually bring here any expert, more then this, I wanna see any SRC who put at your service a qualified professor, from China ? from a US bathroom like u like to get most of your gear ?

You keep the bla bla, I remind u that your ego must be full so far doc, lets move to the actual testing of the actual product that we discuss, do we agree that if my claims are lets say 90% right then we're all very lucky ? lets do it doc, I assume u have an access to mess spec and not only to a keyboard, so place a random order and test it

 

[Dr JIM]

For any dicrepency pls refer to the professor specified reply, if have any comment pls forward me and you'll get a specified reply within 24 hours.

I have no clue how and why you associate between excellent lab tests done on the SciTropin 1.5 years ago to anything now, but again the mess spec from 1.5 years ago proved proper dosed and 96% purity, and again superior to anything ever came from China, this venture in Korea is no longer exist, but also constant serum tests from there from very reliable vets were posted

The biological assay test is in use by pharmaceutical companies, and is the final frontier in this field and is the actual test for the clinical effect we all take the GH for

You keep the bla bla, I remind u that your ego must be full so far doc, lets move to the actual testing of the actual product that we discuss, do we agree that if my claims are lets say 90% right then we're all very lucky ? lets doc it doc

Fine another deflection of questions I've asked.

And the ANSWER IS K HAS NO ANALYTICAL DATA ON THE "GH" he is selling except perhaps cell culture data which is easily fabricated and has also not been posted.

Oh no he would much prefer the PM route where customers are unaware of the discussions.

Of course all that makes sense because K has already posted BOGUS data on his "GH", that include it's molecular weight and purity AND that's one huge discrepancy he will not discuss!

Why is that? Because that data was to be used to convince you the Meso customer to purchase his GH, but damn people like Jim, LightSpan and CBS are allowed to roam freely on Meso unchecked by mods and ask QUESTIONS, God forbid.

The other reason he won't discuss PURITY DATA, bc whatever he does have is bullshit.

Another case in point? The MASS SPEC info posted by CBS. It's more garbage for several reasons.

1) MS CAN NOT be used to determine purity in isolation, period!

2) MS does NOT determine a compounds structure or elemental content, it only measures a substances MW.

3) No chemist who wasn't taking LSD would have written narrative Growth Hormone Purity conclusions with such limited data, ONE test, the Mass Sprc, LMAO.
This alone tells me the data is bogus.

Jim

 

[bodybuilder_fl]

SO I am guessing as for now no one else has bought karl's hgh and tested other then himself and mand?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Hundreds have bought, assume not from Meso .....no there are buyers on Meso... when think about it there are on Meso, I would show u some PMs here and on other forums, ppl don't like to be caught on the cross fire here, I may show u in private if u like to, in order not to ashame here anyone

 

[Western-Biotech]

Doc - you say that the mess spec done on other forum 1.5 years ago is garbage ? possibly, I've never dealt with it to be honest, though it's done by an independent lab in the USA, and quite specified,

I'll show this to my professor, very interesting,

I assure you again that our QA tests confirm beyod any doubt the purity and most important the potency of the Somastim, if you disagree pls show a specified explanation from an analytic chemist, or even better - order, test it in your lab and draw conclusions, not fiction pls

Here is again the summery from my professor regarding your comments from yesterday, I'll put them on the line in front of any authority in this field, and back it up by any amount, prove me wrong I'm here

Quality check of recombinant human growth hormone purity and biological activity.

1. The concentration of the hormone is determined by absorbance at 280 nm, assuming that 1 mg/ml will result in absorbance of 0.74. This value was calculated by a program of DNAman company.
   
   
2. The purity of the protein is determined by SDS-PAGE in presence of reducing agent which shows the purity and the approximate molecular mass of the protein. However as SDS-PAGE is conducted in presence of detergent (SDS) it does not distinguish between non-covalent oligomers or dimers. Therefore we also test the protein by size exclusion chromatography (SEC) in buffer pH 8 without detergent which is capable to show whether the tested protein is a pure monomer. Once both tests are positive no additional test by Mass Spectrometry (MS) is required. However MS tests were occasionally performed and when tested they always showed over 95-98% purity and the expected molecular mass of about 22106 or 22130 Da. Please note that in some cases the stained molecular mass standards are not accurate. Thus for example molecular mass standards showed inaccurate molecular mass of hGH of ~19 kDa, while mass spectrometry of the same sample (in two tests) showed molecular mass of 22,106 and 22,130 Dalton compared to the theoretical value of 22,124 Dalton.
   
   
3. The biological activity is tested in FDC-P1-9D11 cells stably transfected with human growth hormone receptor as described by Solomon et al. (2006) Growth Hormone & IGF Research 16 , 297–307. Compared to other commercially available recombinant human growth hormones (from Serono of BTG) our preparations exhibit identical or even slightly higher biological activity.
   

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm not suggesting folks should not buy Ks GH at all, that's a decision only you mates can make.

I'm only pointing out the discrepancies between what K has said and what he has done are indeed remarkable.

I could be wrong and K is actually manufacturing Ph grade GH (but why then would he be selling it on an AAS forum) but from an technological perspective the chances of ANY UGL producing legit rHGH is probably one million to one.

I'll also say I've nothing against K on a personal level and what few Sciroxx products I did use YEARS ago were some of the best in the business. (According to some that has changed)

The fact is I've tried to keep an open mind and could have envisioned supporting Ks GH If he was able to supports his claims with evidence,
(Let's never forget that's why Meso is so special, IMO)

Unfortunately such was not the case.

However if there ever was a time to buy this product, it would be NOW, IMO!

Jim

 

[lightspan]

This is amusing. The facts: Karl, you started this thread assuring Meso members your gh was tested and QA'd at a level/ extent equivalent to FDA approved gh. @Dr JIM, myself and other members made valid points regarding QA of FDA approved rHGH, posed questions regarding the data Karl posted, and noted false and/or inconsistent statements of yours re the same. Karl responded with lots of hysterics and hand waving, but never answered the questions that were asked. We ask question A, Karl answers question B. This is a common tactic used by con men and politicians to deflect. Most people think their question has been answered. We're not falling for it.

This argument and discussion has become meaningless. Karl will not answer the questions posed. He will deflect with hysterics and irrelevant, lengthy posts (which make my fucking head hurt).

Karl is selling something. It may be rHGH, it may be rat poison. You as consumers can either buy it or not. A source is as good as his last pack.

Karl, you provided a three step QA process above. Fine and good, post the results from the three alleged QA analyses from your latest batch of material. No long windy post about how wronged you are, just post the data and results. I can gin up reports for you if you need me to, take me an hour to generate the plots and pretty them up.