Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Dr JIM]

Because I've grown weary of the entire process I'll only respond to one of Ks replies..

The absorbance of a compound is a product of it's elemental structure, concentration, media thickness, and the solvents used.

It's been well established proteins including DNA/RNA absorb UV light in the 280nm range. (DNA has optimal absorbance at 260nm)

But simply assuming the results are not dependent upon other factors listed, is in error.

Consequently to ensure the evaluation of a homogenous mixture of identical molecular densities (purity) is being evaluated an HPLC MUST be performed.

Bc IF the latter has NOT been conducted then the researcher is assuming a VERY high level of purity.

One could rightfully contend that impurities would cause a shift to the left or right, but if the mixture is homogeneous impurities of dissimilar structure and polarities may "cancel each other out" thus having a minimal effect of the OD of the mixture under study.

So to PROVE an absolute purity of X, Y, or Z chromatography is the standard.

Jim

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I have no clue how and why you associate between excellent lab tests done on the SciTropin 1.5 years ago to anything now, but again the mess spec from 1.5 years ago proved proper dosed and 96% purity, and again superior to anything ever came from China, this venture in Korea is no longer exist, but also constant serum tests from there from very reliable vets were posted

Now you're saying you built a multimillion dollar facility in Korea to manufacture rhGH and abandoned it. How does that work? Do you just back a U-Haul up to the door, load the equipment and off you go?

Karl, have you built a portable rhGH manufacturing lab? Is it anything like Saddam Hussein's portable anthrax lab?

The biological assay test is in use by pharmaceutical companies, and is the final frontier in this field and is the actual test for the clinical effect we all take the GH for, bring here any authorized expert that may claim differently, actually bring here any expert, more then this, I wanna see any SRC who put at your service a qualified professor, from China ? from a US bathroom like u like to get most of your gear ?

Whether it is the "final frontier" or not is irrelevant. So far you haven't posted proof that you've done ANY of these tests - or that you even have your own GH.

And if I have the choice between getting my gear from a Chinese bathroom and a US bathroom, I'll take the US bathroom every time! I've seen Chinese bathrooms and they're not a pretty sight.

You keep the bla bla, I remind u that your ego must be full so far doc, lets move to the actual testing of the actual product that we discuss, do we agree that if my claims are lets say 90% right then we're all very lucky ? lets do it doc, I assume u have an access to mess spec and not only to a keyboard, so place a random order and test it

You like that "bla bla," huh? You've used it a few times now. Reminds me of your protege, Roy, from Steroidsfax. Remember Roy? Sure you do... "Just go away and stop you blabla. i dont care of this." That's Karl's school of PR in action right there. LMAO

I agree that if you attempted to make GH without doing ANY testing or QA, and you actually got GH of the quality you sold Mands, then absolutely, yes. You a VERY lucky. So lucky, in fact, that you should start playing the Powerball.

The bottom line is this: You would have us believe that you managed to build a multimillion dollar porta-rhGH lab that you can move from country to country as needed, and within that porta-rhGH lab, you've successfully made rhGH that not only rivals that of big-pharma, but actually SURPASSES their level of quality. And on top of all that, you are willing to sell the world's most pure rhGH to us on the blackmarket for a fraction of the cost you could get on the legal market. Amazing! You sir, are a philanthropist and humanitarian.


You attempted this scheme last year and failed, Karl. You're taking another crack at it under a new name but you're still having exactly the same problems you had the first time. You should have never come to Meso with this venture. Uncensored forums only favor the honest. As you can see, without the protection afforded you by the mods, your operation has turned into a clusterfuck of EPIC proportions and the proof is available right in this very thread for all to see.

Caveat emptor indeed!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Who said I built a million dollar facility in Korea ? show me one place I said million $ facility there ?

Lets say I did ... what could I do in case we encountered issues with local authorities ?

Would u prove wrong constant multiple tests on the SciTropin which came from Korea ? show me one bad repost on SciTropin from Korea

Lets say theoretically that there were bad reports from Korea ...... so far the Somastim made it perfect on any test ... why don't u test it ? maybe I'm full of shit ? maybe u may prove me wrong ?

Doc - your posts don't contribute shit to anyone here, no one may try to understand it anyhow, and I'm polite, my professor explained our QA measure, bring a brief from an analytic chemist which may refute them, or better - test the Somastim in your lab

 

[muscle96ss]

For those that think that Karl is just purchasing pharm grade GH and rebottling it with the intention of later down the road changing it to krapp GH; lets look back at what has transpired this year. Karl was selling his Scitropin when I found out and uncovered the fact that it was bunk and that the company that was producting for him was a scammer outfit. In the end Karl ending up losing a ton of money to the scam biotech company and was stuck replacing a shitload of bunk Scitropin with this new GH he has now. So Karl has sent out replacements for all the bunk Scitropin with this so-called rebottled pharm grade HG. Now this new GH is causing injection problems for a large number of people. So guess what, Karl is now going to replace all this so-called rebottled pharm grade GH with a new batch that doesn't have the injection issue. Well you can see where this is going; that is a huge investment in pharm grade GH just to pay back what he owes, let alone to start off new sales with and get a following before pulling his scam down the road. He would have been better off just taking his losses and walking away. I understand people's concern in this situation based on Karl's past and nobody rode him harder than I did during the bunk Scitropin fiasco(just read some of the threads on PM, I was very vocal about things). After it all went down I thought for sure I was screwed and would never see my money again and mods were even telling me to get whatever I could out of him because they thought he would run. It wasn't until I talked to Big A himself that I felt comfortable that Karl was going to make good on things. In the end, Karl has done everything he has said he would do and I give him credit for that. It doesn't mean that things will continue to be good but I have a much better understanding of Karl and believe that he has good intentions. He has been around for well over a decade and this is his life. I don't think he is going to risk throwing that all away in a scenario like this where as I have already stated, he doesn't have that much to gain financially by pulling of a heist. I think we need to continue to test his GH on a frequent basis but I recommend that for any UG source and any UG product out there, that is just common sense. But at the moment, as mands tests confirmed, he is putting out pharm grade GH, thats the bottom line.

 

[Dr JIM]

Yep that's correct Karl I don't understand "shit" but you most certainly do, bc shit is exactly what your attempting to sell on Meso, based on the unacceptable "studies" you've supplied. Ah a fitting colloquialism; "we have met the enemy an he is us".

(Karl's newfound mantra if you can't assault the message attack the messenger. However let's not recognize the new without first saluting the old "bla, bla, bla", lol)

A brief on what Karl? Please enlighten me?

On your studies, that's your job bc YOU are the one wanting to sell product not me.

Incidentally if the best your "professor" could do is mention how certain studies may be inaccurate without explaining why they were NOT repeated or replaced with another methodology with greater sensitivity and specificity (accuracy) he's the one that should be writing a "brief", not me! LMAO!

Oh I've a suggestion, try another forum
K because about the only thing you have accomplished here is deepening your Karl is FOS list.

And I thought we could be friends !

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh guess what my PhD IS IN K, "a brief", LMAO!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Doc - I explained the QA we follow, you are welcome refute it, ohh but I forgot you're a doc by name only, you doctor degree is on bla bla look at me I'm so smart ....
Refute pls any pf our QA measures pls, or better - Test the product and have an opinion maybe ?

I have proved my points with multiple tests, and you're welcome as well, my claims are backed up, and I don't throw in the air terms to help my ego, I show tests on actual product, and independent tests done by honest customers

I do agree with you that I may spend my time here in vain if the audience is led by you, but I know that no, I have got multiple PMs not on you favor lets call it, I do respect you enough not to show them. Keep posting, the more you continue with the bla bla the less credit you have with anyone here with a passion for the truth, if you had such u would test the product and have a based opinion

 

[Dr JIM]

I have got multiple PMs not on you favor lets call it, I do respect you enough not to show them.

Damn my message has disrupted your apple cart hasn't it.

Now K you honestly believe Meso mates are stupid enough to fall on their hands and knees and say Karl is King bc your selling "prime GH" your sadly mistaken.

No doubt there are some aimless servants believing you will remember their Meso moniker come purchase time, but you won't locate many diehard K supporters on Meso, especially considering the nonsense you've posted.

And if anyone on Meso wants to choose your studies over my analysis of them, it's a free country.

And to the currently active Meso members I will also say, contact me when the bottom falls out, bc I'll still be here to assist with the interpretation of any tests obtained.

But then again I'm not on Meso for "the money" what about you K!

Buyer beware !!!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Where the fuck I said anyone should say I'm king, bla bla again, I said I'm here, I offer this and that quality, I back it up by tests, come and trial, come and test us, I understand the doubts, I justify suspicious, afterall no one has ever delivered such quality, but it worth the testing, I know what I've put into this, I'm proud in this, I know my team, I know the quality, and I know my commitment, the rest is really for you to testify

 

[d-red]

Gees guys. Give it up. Who cares. It's not that important. Either order from the guy or don't order from the guy...that simple

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Refute pls any pf our QA measures pls, or better - Test the product and have an opinion maybe ?

I have proved my points with multiple tests, and you're welcome as well, my claims are backed up, and I don't throw in the air terms to help my ego, I show tests on actual product, and independent tests done by honest customers

Karl, this is very simple. Post these tests - the ones you're saying you have conducted on your "GH" - that show your "GH" is, in fact, GH.


So far, you've posted test results on "something" but that "something" most certainly WASN'T GH. Not with a MW of 17 - 20. Your credibility is falling by the minute because your failure to provide evidence showing that you've tested GH as well as your continuing obfuscations and ad hominems suggest you're trying to pull a fast one.

Karl, there is no need for you to say another word or attack another member. I'll say it once again:

Post these tests - the ones you're saying you have conducted on your "GH" - that show your "GH" is, in fact, GH.

 

[Masters Power]

First off let me say the science involved in this thread is way above my head and I have no idea regarding the quality of Western's GH.

What I wanted to comment on is your analytical chemist being willing to get on a Skype call and reveal his identity while being involved with a UG facility. This simply makes little to no sense to me.

My job has me in contact with some of the best analytical chemist in the US, all of whom are lab directors of one sort or another. Combined they are amongst the smartest people I know. As a group they are also very willing to help if you know the right questions to ask them.

Also as a whole they are the most guarded group of men I know. When one of these guys spots a problem or something they think isn't right with a research paper or testing methods being used by another lab they will often call me and tell me word for word here are the questions you need to ask. None of these guys would be caught dead advising a UG lab.

Maybe it is completely different in the country your chemist is from but in my experience there is no way any top notch analytical chemist in the US would be likely to advice a UG lab and even if you could find one there is no way he would ever reveal his identity as you suggest your chemist is willing to do in this thread.

 

[brutus79]

Hundreds have bought, assume not from Meso .....no there are buyers on Meso... when think about it there are on Meso, I would show u some PMs here and on other forums, ppl don't like to be caught on the cross fire here, I may show u in private if u like to, in order not to ashame here anyone

You save pm's from people who have ordered? You are really that fucking stupid?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Masterpowers - my professor is willing top talk on skype with any analytic chemist (we'll keep it discreet) - your chemist will have his comments and confirmation that he was talking to a renowned professor - lets do it

Brutus - orders for Somastim are made through my sites, I don't know who is a member on Meso etc' , I recall and klnow that I got the knowledge afterward that several orders were by Meso members, yes

 

[Western-Biotech]

I would like to post some pics from our lab, need some assitance here as they may be heavy, mod pls contact me

 

[Western-Biotech]

Find attached pics from our facility.

Note the sign with "MESO" on it on each pic for authenticity.

Note2 for LS - I asked my guy, and you said that bioreactor and fermentor are the same thing, his commented that bio reactor is for living cells, and fermentor is for bacteria, so we use fermentor indeed. We may use much bigger fermentor for higher batches outside our facility

 

[Western-Biotech]

Somehow it didn't upload the fermentor pic, here it is

 

[intel]

I have some coming my way. From what im seeing karl has gone above and beyond to bring some good higb quality products.

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[Dr JIM]

I have some coming my way. From what im seeing karl has gone above and beyond to bring some good higb quality products.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

Well apparently you "saw something" most with eyes missed

 

[muscle96ss]

Well apparently you "saw something" most with eyes missed

Or perhaps you haven't opened your eyes and noticed that Karl is currently shipping pharm grade GH; oh wait you actually admitted it earlier.