Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[ufcguy32]

I'm curious why none of the experts here will Skype with his professor? Even just for shits and giggles

 

[Western-Biotech]

The owner is always welcome to arrange an expert for such conversation either

 

[Dr JIM]

1.) I have done numerous serum tests over the years and know what I am doing; just check my history on ProM and you will see. I have also done IGF-1 tests down the road to back them up at times and plan on doing that with this GH once the injection issue is rectified. So considering the lab tests that mands had done along with the serum GH test, I think anyone of normal mind without bias would conclude that there is GH in the vial. In fact, how many others selling GH on Meso have gone to these lengths in testing their products? Can you prove that the vial I did my serum test with did not contain pharma grade GH??

2.) I can't prove that EVERY single person received a refund, but I have remained in contact with many ProM members throughout the entire process and have not received 1 single PM or seen 1 single post with someone complaining that they are still looking for a resolution. Seriously, lets be reasonable here. Can you prove that Karl has not made good on his word of replacing the bunk GH??

3.) You can goto professionalmuscle.com and search through Karl's sponsor threads where people have posted their results. I am not aware of any source on this planet having a test bank of serum scores. I am not sure if your question is serious or just meant to agitate and stir the pot as you like to do. In fact, I believe your stirring the pot is only helping Karl because people see what is going on in this thread and choose
to ignore what you are saying when you do occasionally have some good points. However, they get lost with all the other sarcastic and harrasing comments.


4.) No, I am not a shill. Please goto ProM and look at the sciroxx thread around mid-march on. I think you will find a large number of posts of mine ripping Karl a new asshole and not one defending him. I received plenty of PM's from him asking me to delete my posts and accusing me of ruining his business. Thats not consistent with the behavior of a shill. I will also back that up with my reupation on PM, ask anyone on there you want, my actions speak for themselves. Perhaps you could prove that I am shill since you are so big with everything needing proof.

One more thing doc, why don't you run some tests on Karl's GH and prove that its not pharm grade GH?? You seem to know so much about this stuff, why don't you put up or shut up?

See that's the difference; I only want the truth and if the truth helps K then it will also aid Meso members, and that's fine by ne

But the TRUTH IS K has yet to post one analytical test from his lab that hasn't refuted his claims he's producing GH.

Do you believe K knew the "SDS" or MW data derived from such a "high end QA facility" was a farce?

Well of course he didn't or why would he have posted it! No the facts are K has no idea how to interpret lab data and damn sure can't make GH since the former is obviously true.

Like CBS implied apparently you believe its better to fill your pockets with something rather than nothing.

Well UGLs enjoy those with that philosophy for sure!

 

[muscle96ss]

See that's the difference; I only want the truth and if the truth helps K then it will also aid Meso members, and that's fine by ne

But the TRUTH IS K has yet to post one analytical test from his lab that hasn't refuted his claims he's producing GH.

Do you believe K knew the "SDS" or MW data derived from such a "high end QA facility" was a farce?

Well of course he didn't or why would he have posted it! No the facts are K has no idea how to interpret lab data and damn sure can't make GH if the former is true.

Like CBS implied apparently your believe kits better to fill your pockets with something rather than nothing.

Look, I think there are some things we can agree on here if we are reasonable. Firstly, I think we can agree that what Karl is CURRENTLY shipping to customers is high quality GH that at this point and time is a better deal than any generic on the market. Secondly, I think we can agree that Karl's past does create some concern. Thirdly, I think we can agree that Karl is a salesman and likes to talk and can be inconsistent at times. With all that said, the reason why I think that he will produce a consistent product is because logically he has no reason to scam. You see, I have been talking with Karl back and forth for the past 6 months starting when I uncovered his bunk Scitropin fiasco. So I have a little greater depth on understanding Karl andwhats going on as well as here is the big thing; HE HAS NO REASON/MOTIVATION to pull off a scam. There is absolutely no logical reason why he would not have exited the GH game back in March. Look at the details; he lost roughly $100K in his venture with the scam chinese biotech company. Now he is replacing the bunk Scitropin with this same pharm grade GH which costs him more money. Now, due to the injection issues, he has to re-replace the GH one more time which again costs him more money. So from a monetary standpoint; when he changes over to bunk or lower quality GH or whatever you think he is going to do; how much of that does he need sell before he even gets back to where he started, let alone make a profit. And how long do you think it will be before someone catches on and knows that something about the GH has changed as people are running serums and IGF-1's all the time now. And then once he becomes known as a scammer, his Sciroxx brand will take a huge hit because nobody will trust him. So when you look at it from a logic standpoint, I can understand peoples concerns, but it just doesn't make any sense that he would not follow through.

 

[Dr JIM]

Well if you believe you can determine the quality, concentration, or purity of a GH sample by measuring serum levels or IGF levels you don't understand the meaning of an International Unit, because an IU measures the BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITY of a substance such as growing SKM.

Serum assays are NOT viable estimates of GH for several other reasons namely those factors which alter the level itself such as; prior GH level, albumin level, body weight, trimming of the assay, gastric food content, stress levels, renal function, volume of distribution, hepatic function etc.

Thus AT BEST serum GH levels can ONLY be used to determine if someone IS SUPPLEMENTING GH, and that my friend is the position of the IOC and essentially every PRD testing organization.

(So your "experience" is in error" )

The level can NOT be used to QUANTIFY the degree of supplementation

Finally who do you believe are those whom are primarily responsible for the posting of complimentary PED data on that shill board ProMuscle, where EACH PLACARD ADD costs roughly 3K?

Oh sure it gotta be those thankful customers, NOT!

Why isn't PM the same board where "alinsShope" received the AAS site of the year award?

No wonder folks like K use it as a refuge to post unfettered garbage.

 

[Masters Power]

Masterpowers - my professor is willing top talk on skype with any analytic chemist (we'll keep it discreet) - your chemist will have his comments and confirmation that he was talking to a renowned professor - lets do it

Brutus - orders for Somastim are made through my sites, I don't know who is a member on Meso etc' , I recall and klnow that I got the knowledge afterward that several orders were by Meso members, yes

Western you clearly didn't read my post as I said none of the lab directors I know would have anything to do UG facilities and that would include discussing the production methods used by those facilities.

However, if you PM your professors name I would gladly ask the experts I know about his credentials and would report back what I found out to the board without disclosing your professors name although based on what you have said it doesn't seem like he is particularly concerned with keeping his ID secret.

I hope you do have a well qualified guy helping you produce quality GH. Having said that I have had the chance to take tours of the facilities run by the experts I have mentioned and their labs don't look anything like the pictures that you posted of your lab.

 

[ufcguy32]

Jim u seem pretty upset with pro muscle. Did you ever post there and if so what was your handle and reason for discontinued posting

 

[Western-Biotech]

Materspower - my professor is not (officially) aware that he's involved in any UG production, of course he's smart enough to realize this, but the contract etc' says research clearly, he'll be happy to explain anything to do with the production, QA etc' offially to any colleague (expert) that you may bring, he won't discuss anything else, the conversation may be run specifically on our QA methods, chemical asay, biological assay, purification, purity assesments etc' in his lab, so some baseless claims which were raised here may be answered offically and get a confirmation from a third expert party

 

[ufcguy32]

Also as far as serum tests we used to have another dr. Alpha there. He seemed to believe quite the opposite about igf and serum levels. So Are u saying another medical dr is fos too. He had access to prescribe treat as he owned the clinic. He ran tests there on peptides etc. So what is your response?

 

[Dr JIM]

So K is making "pharm grade GH"
yet can't produce any internal tests that were conducted to prove the quality was indeed pharm grade?

Now you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know THAT'S ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Musles96ss - I appreciate your trust in my product so far, I know this is a honest unbiased support so I do appreciate it, but why the fuck I have a shady past ? cause someone here who has never dealt or talked to me said so ??? what inconsistency I showed ? WTF ? I have been working very hard to accomplish a great product for u, I haven't strayed for one sec from my promises or commitments... WTF ???

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

Well that's where you and I disagree.

Why is it the consumers responsibility to prove any product is GTG especially one like K whom come to Mesi spewing QA nonsense, none which is supported by anything he's posted, except lip service.

Have u seen K post ANY analytical analysis on his "GH"?

Oh I most certainly have and what HE POSTED was most certainly NOT GH.

Perhaps you should spend a little more time reviewing the thread before you post some misinformed idea of what many vets on Meso are concerned about!

As far as I have reviewed doc, I feel people want to know one simple thing...is it legit or not am I right? So my point is how do we accomplish this goal with the least amount of bullshit possible? You keep smashin the guy and even now talking down to me...if I buy some and send it to you will you have it tested for me at my expense since I do not have awesome access or knowledge like you? I'm looking for a solution, not trouble. What CAN I do here to help?

I'll be the first to admit my knowledge is next to none and that I chose not to live on the forum and review and decipher all info...so what. What solution exactly are you looking for? I feel your heart is in the right place for our members but don't put me down about my post when Im only wanting to help.

 

[kawilt]

Also as far as serum tests we used to have another dr. Alpha there. He seemed to believe quite the opposite about igf and serum levels. So Are u saying another medical dr is fos too. He had access to prescribe treat as he owned the clinic. He ran tests there on peptides etc. So what is your response?

I don't understand 1/4 of what you guy's are discussing about this test and that test, But, my Igf and serum levels were very high, and still are, while using Riptropin, and before that, some of the old IP Gh. So....What does that tell me?
I know it's not pharm grade HGh. But we don't know what.

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

I will say with the size venture K has taken on he can afford to properly test his own shit. If your going to claim pharma quality, pay the expenses for independent testing just as the US pharma would.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Jimmyhoffa - I test the product by the strictest standards, I posted it, an independent test proved it, and more to come will, the concept of an independent lab test is that it's done independently, say now that I send a sample to an official FDA approved lab and post it ... what will it prove ? who know what sample I sent ? it should be done by customers, I have my set of QA to make sure that whatever a customer consume or test will be of the declared quality

 

[ufcguy32]

I realize that but at this point the dr. Won't even say this is gh at all. So while rips were not pure and they were tested by rajjin on pro muscle. I can look up the lab findings there. I'd love to see jims response on those

I don't understand 1/4 of what you guy's are discussing about this test and that test, But, my Igf and serum levels were very high, and still are, while using Riptropin, and before that, some of the old IP Gh. So....What does that tell me?
I know it's not pharm grade HGh. But we don't know what.

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

Jimmyhoffa - I test the product by the strictest standards, I posted it, an independent test proved it, and more to come will, the concept of an independent lab test is that it's done independently, say now that I send a sample to an official FDA approved lab and post it ... what will it prove ? who know what sample I sent ? it should be done by customers, I have my set of QA to make sure that whatever a customer consume or test will be of the declared quality

Then please address the specific issues Dr. Jim is referring to so we may move forward. Sounds simple...i think lol

 

[Western-Biotech]

Dr Jim is a shame to this community, whatsoever I have to be honest anyhow and say that I don't have the proper knowledge to address many issues that he may ask about, so I suggested to arrange an expert (unlike Dr Jim, the admin may arrange such, or other reliable member), and he may confirm any detail thoroughly in front of my professor.

As a comment - there is not much but nonsense in his posts, he could say lets arrange monthly random orders to test the quality, and this would be the only reliable solution to this issue, but he's investing all his efforts in pointless ego games, and using terms u don't understand in purpose, if he talks to a real analytical chemist it'll look like a dialog between a monkey and a human being I assure u, and this is why he avoids it and keep hiding behind his keyboard

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I test the product by the strictest standards, I posted it,

Comment:

Despite Karl's comments ^^^to the contrary, he has not posted HIS test results. He posted something that had a MW of 17 - 20 and that is definitely NOT GH.

So far, the only person who has posted test results for GH is Mands.

The reason Karl is getting flack is because he has NOT posted any data showing that HE tested GH. The only conclusion that can drawn is that he has NOT tested HIS GH. And if he has NOT tested HIS GH, it's extremely unlikely he is making it.

It's pretty simple, Karl: POST YOUR TEST RESULTS. Otherwise, you can expect the flack to continue.

 

[Dr JIM]

Also as far as serum tests we used to have another dr. Alpha there. He seemed to believe quite the opposite about igf and serum levels. So Are u saying another medical dr is fos too. He had access to prescribe treat as he owned the clinic. He ran tests there on peptides etc. So what is your response?

Oh please spare me the BS

No informed physician is going to say the quality or purity of GH is best determined using serum GH or IGF levels.

The FACT is the best predictor of GH quality is THE CLINICAL RESPONSE.

Have you ever heard of that, lol!