Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Dr JIM]

Dr. Jim - You seem like a very intelligent person(although I have no proof) but your reading comprehension of what I have written is not very good, you don't answer my questions, nor do respond to the actual content and meaning of what I have written. You simply pick out a couple words in the post, take them out of context, and find something to try to poke a hole in it; all while rambling on about nothing pertinent to what I had just written.

Yep I'm only repeating Karl's mantra!

 

[Dr JIM]

I never said one word about purity and serum tests. Let me say it again so u can understand. You claimed that this is not gh nor has anyone proved it's gh. I'll pull up your damn quote If I have to. So what I said is you keep saying that the product isn't gh at all. And a serum test does show that you are using gh supplementation but not the biological activity or purity.

Yes that's correct and if you would read my posts perhaps you would learn something.

But I'll post it ONE MORE TIME for you!
Karl has yet to present ANY internal analytical data which is even remotely suggestive the compounds HE TESTED are GH!

MANDS Has posted several tests which reveal the SAMPLES he had analyzed were a high purity protein BUT nothing that confirms that protein was indeed rHGH!

THOSE ARE THE FACTS FELLA !!!

 

[Dr JIM]

Having said that I have had the chance to take tours of the facilities run by the experts I have mentioned and their labs don't look anything like the pictures that you posted of your lab.

Yea MP that's just ONE of K's problems!
Did you know even though he operates a high end GH lab NONE of the internal analyses performed reveal that which is being produced is even remotely CW rHGH.

More importantly his "professor" one of K's "smart guys" , informed Meso members while indeed some tests such as GEP may be inaccurate with regard to MW and purity, he never provided an explanation about WHY Karl's outlier tests results were not confirmed or refuted using a methodology with greater accuracy.

For instance K submitted a GEP that revealed the MW of the sample was roughly 19Kd with an totally inconsistent, and presumably unacceptable, purity based on final well sizes.

Now any high end GH facility wouldn't have paused wondering "shit guys what-do-we-do next? And then DO NOTHING!!!

Nope although GEP is used as the preliminary test in many GH factories NO LOT is removed from production until a Mass Spec AND a HPLC has been performed.

But K's lab has the "highest quality standards" LMAO!

 

[flenser]

My remailers didn't screw up a dick, one remailer stole products and resold them here,
There is not a single complaint of anyone who's ever dealt with me, or my sites, if a supplier encountered an issue, then it has never been brought to my attention, no one has ever wrote to sciroxx.com and hasn't got a proper solution, just like u got with your GH,

I said clearly here on this thread, and say again, I'm here in person, to take responsibility on any product which carry the name of my brands, lesson is learned. There will be no excuses

We all know that this is the worst place to launch a product, considering the approach here, but I took the challenge and stand behind the product, I'm here daily to provide any assistance or info u may need, I won't go away.

What a fiasco in China has to do with inconsistency bro ? I got a nice car last year, which apparently could go into flames with no reason, I got a recall and issue is taken care, same way - if I suffered from a fiasco I was there to fix it and took care of customers like I should, shit may happen, we do the best to avoid it, but if happens we're there to handle it

I posted earlier I DO know someone who dealt DIRECTLY WITH YOU who received var that labmaxed as dbol this year (which blows your Korean tbol theory), received the wrong products, was accused of not paying, and generally feels he was SCAMMED BY YOU. He has all the emails between himself and your gmail account, proof of payment, etc. I will post the emails here, if you agree.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Flesner - I'm not aware to such customer period. Especially not to any such lab max test. As a comment, and it was mentioned here by a known member as well, the lab max tests may be not reliable. I'll be happy if you write to me the details, and bring him to talk to me. Pls do it privately, as this thread may turn into a zoo for this, and you may surely report back, I'm here in order to take care of any issue

Doc - if I misjudged you, out of some emotional very understandable reaction, I offer you an olive branch - lets talk to my expert, you have to realize that in our production line there may be some tests which we did along the R@D process but are simply not necessary on the actual production.

DOC - YOU STATED YOURSELF THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT TEST IS THE ACTUAL TEST OF THE CLINICAL EFFECT, IT WAS DEFINED CLEARLY BY THE BIOLOGICAL ASSAY TEST WE RUN, WHICH FARAWAY MORE COMPLICATED THEN A MESS SPEC, AND ACTUALLY TESTS THE CLINICAL EFFECT, SO IF THE PRODUCT PASSES THE TEST WHICH ID DEFINED IN USP THEN WE PROVE BEYOND ANY DOUBT THE POTENCY (AND PURITY) OF THE SOMASTIM

Anyhow if you may talk to my professor, but to be clear - it'll be done anonymously - no names will be mentioned. If you bring a university expert, we may mention names and he will confirm we deal with a renowned professor

MSB - you couldn't stray more from the truth by saying that I didn't prove me make GH, and worst say that Mand's tests didn't prove it, you could be mislead here the members, but you actually make fun of yourself.

I offered you all options to learn about our QA, directly to the head of my team, in orderto refuste some baseless claims here, but most important - test the product by any standards and learn for yourself, and for this community

 

[flenser]

@Western-Biotech He has already dealt with you privately without satisfaction. That's why I offered to post them and let Meso decide.

 

[Western-Biotech]

No chance anyone brought to my attention a labmax test, pls just tell me privately his mail, then u may report back

 

[flenser]

I only have his member name, and he doesn't want to come forward. He feels he hasn't been here long enough. I don't know if he even mentioned the labmax test in the emails, I haven't seen them. He said you sent products other than what he ordered, would not fix the order and accused him of not paying even though he had proof.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Wait - he said he lab max or not ?

The other accusations may happen, in such case I need the details, as some guys may not pay for an order, what may happen is that I ship an order while the money service cancel a transaction later, it happens all the time when it's done online, anyhow I wrote to u privately, and will give u an immediate reply.

 

[flenser]

Wait - he said he lab max or not ?

The other accusations may happen, in such case I need the details, as some guys may not pay for an order, what may happen is that I ship an order while the money service cancel a transaction, anyhow I wrote to u privately, and will give u an immediate reply.

Understand, he is not interested in any sort of compensation at this point. He is done with Sciroxx. He only offered the emails because you because you keep repeating that no one who has ever dealt with you feels cheated.

 

[ufcguy32]

Lol at mands test not proving it's gh. Sure bro. The chemist he checked with just made up shit. Makes sense

 

[Western-Biotech]

Understand, he is not interested in any sort of compensation at this point. He is done with Sciroxx. He only offered the emails because you because you keep repeating that no one who has ever dealt with you feels cheated.

Well give me his mail bro, so at least I may comment,

My thoughts - this story sounds suspicious to me, first he said he made a labmax test, which I know he didn't, then he said he didn't pay, or I accused him with this, then he doesn't like to come and explain, anyhow send me his mail, I'm here to reply on any addressed issue

Pls update us back with your lab tests bro when possible

 

[ufcguy32]

Here's another great question . Name one high purity protein who has the same a amino acid sequence mw weight and raises gh levels to 25 3 hours post injection that is not gh

 

[flenser]

Well give me his mail bro, so at least I may comment,

My thoughts - this story sounds suspicious to me, first he said he made a labmax test, which I know he didn't, then he said he didn't pay, or I accused him with this, then he doesn't like to come and explain, anyhow send me his mail, I'm here to reply on any addressed issue

Pls update us back with your lab tests bro when possible

As I said before, he has already dealt with you privately without satisfaction. That's why I offered to post the emails and let Meso decide.

I will post the tests as soon as I have them.

 

[brutus79]

@ufcguy32 you are seriously starting to fucking irritate me. Why the fuck are you fighting for Karl? He your brother? Your father from a trip to isreal your mom took?

Stop trying to talk sense into people who are far smarter than you... you sound like a schill or a moron at best. If karl is truly producing this gh with the rigorous testing he claims he should be able to produce enough data at a moments notice to crash our fucking server. Instead he tells is to check promuscle for serum test results and shows us pictures that looks like someones garage. Pathetic.

If you think sticking up for a source and arguing with members on their behalf is the way to go YOU ARE IN THE WRONG FUCKING FORUM CUPCAKE! This is not a source board. You are (maybe?) Not a rep. State your case that you feel Karl is the first Jew to want to give people a great product at a fair price and shut the fuck up. This is me offering you an olive branch before I decide to verbally beat you to death with it.

@muscle96ss has massive credibility in my book. Although we have disagreed in the past he has worked extensively with generic gh and been a proponent in the past... he has the experience and testing to do so. You do not. Be quiet or get ready to pick a new board when Karl folds- which, in my opinion, he has already shown his hand that is what this smoke and mirrors bullshit "million dollar" operation will do.

 

[bodybuilder_fl]

Sorry for the dumb question. But is there any way anyone can clarify me one thing? What are the ways of proving the hgh is really hgh? how much a test like this cost and where can one get it done?

 

[ufcguy32]

@ufcguy32 you are seriously starting to fucking irritate me. Why the fuck are you fighting for Karl? He your brother? Your father from a trip to isreal your mom took?

Stop trying to talk sense into people who are far smarter than you... you sound like a schill or a moron at best. If karl is truly producing this gh with the rigorous testing he claims he should be able to produce enough data at a moments notice to crash our fucking server. Instead he tells is to check promuscle for serum test results and shows us pictures that looks like someones garage. Pathetic.

If you think sticking up for a source and arguing with members on their behalf is the way to go YOU ARE IN THE WRONG FUCKING FORUM CUPCAKE! This is not a source board. You are (maybe?) Not a rep. State your case that you feel Karl is the first Jew to want to give people a great product at a fair price and shut the fuck up. This is me offering you an olive branch before I decide to verbally beat you to death with it.

@muscle96ss has massive credibility in my book. Although we have disagreed in the past he has worked extensively with generic gh and been a proponent in the past... he has the experience and testing to do so. You do not. Be quiet or get ready to pick a new board when Karl folds- which, in my opinion, he has already shown his hand that is what this smoke and mirrors bullshit "million dollar" operation will do.

First off I'm the one who got attacked for simply stating my opinion. Your supposed to be uncensored. ..really so my opinion differs and it's not the right board? Well let me tell you Brutus I'm not your bitch so u can fucking take that shit somewhere else. I don't need your blessing or opinion. I'm sticking up for the proper testing never did I ever say in this whole thing great things about karl in fact I'm still waiting on my stuff. So before u blast me how much u got riding on this? Did u order? Ya didn't think so. So shut the fuck up. I Have Not Seen U Be A Solution To To Any issues. So what's your agenda? Have u offered to help pay for more testing ? Nope I have and will if it's offered through a mod. And u want to start attacking people's families heritage etc. That's a great character you have. Take your olive branch turn it sideways and shove it up your ass

 

[brutus79]

First off I'm the one who got attacked for simply stating my opinion. Your supposed to be uncensored. ..really so my opinion differs and it's not the right board? Well let me tell you Brutus I'm not your bitch so u can fucking take that shit somewhere else. I don't need your blessing or opinion. I'm sticking up for the proper testing never did I ever say in this whole thing great things about karl in fact I'm still waiting on my stuff. So before u blast me how much u got riding on this? Did u order? Ya didn't think so. So shut the fuck up. I Have Not Seen U Be A Solution To To Any issues. So what's your agenda? Have u offered to help pay for more testing ? Nope I have and will if it's offered through a mod. And u want to start attacking people's families heritage etc. That's a great character you have. Take your olive branch turn it sideways and shove it up your ass

So I have to buy from a scammer to have an opinion? You are just the latest in a long line of douchebags thinking if you defend a source you will be shown some appreciation when he "takes off". You got in on the "ground floor". You will probably have a gh connection for the rest of your life- you are a fucking tool. You think you are contributing? Laughable. I never tried to claim I am a big shot- I am a nobody- JUST LIKE YOU. I am staying out of the technical part of the discussions because I do not have a phd- and neither does your srupid ass or Karls stupid ass- so shut the fuck up. The fact that you think testing this first wave of products proves anything makes you one of the dumbest fucks alive. I never insulted anyone- italians are hairy, jews love screwing people for money and you are a moron. Just calling a spade a spade you fucking schill faggot.

 

[ufcguy32]

Your a racist and a fucking waste of oxygen. I don't think I'm in on the ground floor of anything but I want the truth. But I want it in a fair way . If his stuff is shit then the truth will come out and ill call him out. How hard is that for u to understand. I care about getting the best affordable gh that is pharmacy grade quality. What do u care about? Bashing people's heritage and personally attacking them. I'm not on anyone's side. What Karl owes me is what he promised. If it's not guess what ? Then I'll stand up and say he's full of shit. You on the other hand don't know me or how long I've been around my experience. Your right I'm no chemist or Dr. And admitting he's smarter than me in this particular field is accurate. But I also have the right to ask or question something do I not? You feel it's best to just attack people and hope they fold. Not me princess.

 

[brutus79]

Your a racist and a fucking waste of oxygen. I don't think I'm in on the ground floor of anything but I want the truth. But I want it in a fair way . If his stuff is shit then the truth will come out and ill call him out. How hard is that for u to understand. I care about getting the best affordable gh that is pharmacy grade quality. What do u care about? Bashing people's heritage and personally attacking them. I'm not on anyone's side. What Karl owes me is what he promised. If it's not guess what ? Then I'll stand up and say he's full of shit. You on the other hand don't know me or how long I've been around my experience. Your right I'm no chemist or Dr. And admitting he's smarter than me in this particular field is accurate. But I also have the right to ask or question something do I not? You feel it's best to just attack people and hope they fold. Not me princess.

What you are is a dime a dozen. I am a palestinian who can hate jews if I want- I am texting this from the gaza strip.

What you did was state an opinion. Great. We get it. Now. be. Fucking. Quiet. Arguing with members is a great way to be gone when Karl is gone- and that is your one saving grace- you will only be here a few weeks.

Stop acting persecuted- nobody objects to having an opinion- what we object to is your incessant defending of the source and oversimplification of the issues and overstatement of said opinion. Shut your mouth because the semen on your breath is overpowering even over here in Palestine...