Which AAS are least likely to progress athlerosclerosis? My assumption would be nandrolone. I'd keep in mind that there is thought it isn't just raw lipids values but what happens to the HDL particle itself and it's ability to clean regardless of levels. We have had a lot of talk about statins and ASCVD on this board and just curious if anyone has any real insights.
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What AAS are least likely to cause athlerosclerosis?
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SenorSuperdrol
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The bioidenticals in my opinion are the safest. Test and GH may people can find a dose above natural replacement they can run for a long time.
Atherosclerosis is multi factorial. You’ll need damage to the endothelial glycocalyx, hyperlypidemia, and inflammation.
Itll be individual of course on which factor affects you individually. Using nandrolone as you described may cause higher HSCRP in some, like myself, but no bp issues. Others may become water buffaloes and BP shoots through the roof.
Atherosclerosis is multi factorial. You’ll need damage to the endothelial glycocalyx, hyperlypidemia, and inflammation.
Itll be individual of course on which factor affects you individually. Using nandrolone as you described may cause higher HSCRP in some, like myself, but no bp issues. Others may become water buffaloes and BP shoots through the roof.
malfeasance
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Testosterone and atherosclerosis in aging men: purported association and clinical implications - PubMed
Two of the strongest independent risk factors for coronary heart disease (CHD) are increasing age and male sex. Despite a wide variance in CHD mortality between countries, men are consistently twice as likely to die from CHD than their female counterparts. This sex difference has been attributed...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
PaintDrinker
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The ones that wreck lipids the most. I would start with orals, tren then probably DHT’s.
I would love to see some results people can share on their own testing.
Testosterone at a level that doesn't have need for an AI. Estrogen is a friend here. This study has 3 groups. Test, test + AI, and 17aa oral. I'm not sure on the oral dosing, but straight test is far better than the other two on risk factors.
Testosterone at a level that doesn't have need for an AI. Estrogen is a friend here. This study has 3 groups. Test, test + AI, and 17aa oral. I'm not sure on the oral dosing, but straight test is far better than the other two on risk factors.
Testosterone and atherosclerosis in aging men: purported association and clinical implications - PubMed
Two of the strongest independent risk factors for coronary heart disease (CHD) are increasing age and male sex. Despite a wide variance in CHD mortality between countries, men are consistently twice as likely to die from CHD than their female counterparts. This sex difference has been attributed...
I've combed thru a bunch of these studies and some say testosterone does progress ASCVD, some say it doesn't but according to my cardiologist the latest data says that it does not at replacement doses. Now, perhaps at free T of 15-20 that's the case but what about free T of 40? Nobody has done that study.
The worst my lipids have ever been was on test and primo. My HDL was 29 and my LDL was 190. How primo got the rep as a safe drug I don't know. It kills my HDL and nukes my estrogen which are both awful things. I think we are coming to a near consensus as a community that driving LDL way down with medicines while cycling is probably the safest way to avoid ASCVD.
PaintDrinker
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It absolutely is. Hdl almost means nothing anyways if ldl is under 90.
If your Hdl is like a 5 get off the orals lol but besides that yea ldl low is ideal.
That sounds plausible
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