Primo:

[pistonpump]

Why can't u donate? Because you're on meds? Who cares if your blood isn't good they just won't use it, the main thing is your getting it out.

I don't think primo adds to the gym performance. If u didn't shed on winstrol I think primo is safer then winstrol in my experience.

Interested how your hdl recovers but I suspect the anavar isn't going to help most likely will lower your hdl more

 

[y777]

Why can't u donate? Because you're on meds? Who cares if your blood isn't good they just won't use it, the main thing is your getting it out.

You can’t donate unless you’ve been off Finasteride for a month or off dutasteride for six months. The reason for this is that if a pregnant woman receives a 5aR blocker and has a male fetus it will really mess up the fetal development.

I don't think primo adds to the gym performance. If u didn't shed on winstrol I think primo is safer then winstrol in my experience.

I really enjoyed winstrol performance. I need to lean out quite a bit more to get the *real* winstrol benefit. I think primo is the right drug for what I am looking for. Something that helps keep anabolism while running a caloric deficit without the sides that high test gives. Physically I feel a lot more “normal” /healthy on 350 test and 500 primo (and no AI) than I did on 500-600 test alone, for example , even with an AI (while on test)

I also have a lot better appetite suppression on this stack than I did on higher test + winstrol. And I’ve been on tirzepatide all along.

Now I can’t say whether better appetite suppresion is from
- added Anavar
- lowering test
- primo

hopefully the hair is maintained LOL but physically and mentally I feel so good I may just say fk it and choose primo over hair.

 

[Laxbro88]

I am fairly certain actually Primo doesnt effect lipids

This is not correct. Primo will have no effect on kidneys, liver, or Lipids. The study done on women at 1200mg EW proved this with no adverse health effects.

Anavar however may alter the lipid profile.

Primobolan and DHts in general are unfavorable to lipid profiles both directly and indirectly through DHT drugs impacts on E2.

 

[lundgren]

Hello all

Switching from Test 500 to test 150 and primo 400.

this would be my first foray into primo

id like to run this for 12 weeks at least. And have a few specific questions on primo experience.

from my readinge and watching various videos I understand thst 400 is a reasonable amount to get the anabolic benefits. Lower doses like 100-200 maybe something I do later on as a TRT+ long term protocol.

1. Ramp up: I was playing around with various steroid plotter and for blood ramp up it seems I can do 400 mgs straight away and then simultaneously start pinning ~60 mgs daily or maybe do 2-3x per week ? im Currently doing 50 mgs of test-p daily plus 150 of test-c (split 2x per week)


2. Low e2 risks. Currently I’m doing 0.5 mg arimidex EOD. couple of months ago when I had more belly fat and was aromatizing more I was doing 1mg 3x per week. What also kept high estrogen sides down for me was introducing test-p instead of just running test -cyp. what I do for test now is run test cyp tor 150 , my “prescribed“ TRT dose and then stack test -p for any extra tests run for cycle/blast.

I assume I can just drop the AI for now as soon as I start pinning primo ?

from anyone’s experience , does primo injection frequency affect how much e2 is blocked (from low sides risk perspective ?). the reason I ask is because I’d like to know what options I have for running high primo and low test because so far what I’ve been reading is if you have low e2 sides you need to either up the test or cut the primo to maintain the ratio. Just wondering if there’s other tweaks /levers out there to manage this e2. Either frequency of injection for primo (how , with test we have experiences where more frequent injections cause guys to aromarize leas , maybe changing frequency for primo or test injections does something similar ?). Maybe IM vs subq of primo itself can affect e2 effects ?

guessing Other options would be some supplements for e2? Not interested in adding another AAS , JUST for the extra e2.

the reason I want to cut the test Down and do primo is for high test sides like hematocrit , lipids , etc. hence the primo gets me the reasonable anabolism during recomposition while bloods clean up

Hair is a concern but I’m running bunch of hair protection and my hair hasn’t changed much even on 6 weeks of winny when I ran it. Same thinness as always. I guess only way to find out is to run it.

oh and I plan on running var alongside. Can I run this for full 8 weeks ? would like to do 20-30 pre workout and then 10-20 later in the day. Are lower doses better for lipids or is var like winny where even small doses trash your lipids ? I’m on statins so LDL should not move much. Taking niacin for the HDL, if that can help. Never tried running only 10 mg var , just 20 pre workout but find 30 to be the sweet spot that gives me similar aggression as winny

sorry for the ramble , guys Any feedback based on your primo expeirnddd would be appreciated

Hello,
From around 7/8 weeks i take 100mg primo with my TRT 125mg TE / week.

I think a lot my estradiol have drop a lot from the week 4.

Primo are little bit like Bolde, you need to find the good ratio
(all depend if your product are really primo, well dosed etc... because primo as oxandrolone are lot counterfeit)

So i wait my results of the blood work and depend i up the dose of the test to 150mg or i reduce the Primo to 70mg.

My advice are to start with 100mg Primo with your 150mg test / week, wait the week 4/5 and see how your react. Blood work help a lot !

100mg Primo
150mg Test
10mg Oxandrolone are a good stack with proper diet / training and globaly a good hygien of life, it's possible to made some good gain
(not a lot but good gain)

 

[lundgren]

You can’t donate unless you’ve been off Finasteride for a month or off dutasteride for six months. The reason for this is that if a pregnant woman receives a 5aR blocker and has a male fetus it will really mess up the fetal development.


I really enjoyed winstrol performance. I need to lean out quite a bit more to get the *real* winstrol benefit. I think primo is the right drug for what I am looking for. Something that helps keep anabolism while running a caloric deficit without the sides that high test gives. Physically I feel a lot more “normal” /healthy on 350 test and 500 primo (and no AI) than I did on 500-600 test alone, for example , even with an AI (while on test)

I also have a lot better appetite suppression on this stack than I did on higher test + winstrol. And I’ve been on tirzepatide all along.

Now I can’t say whether better appetite suppresion is from
- added Anavar
- lowering test
- primo

hopefully the hair is maintained LOL but physically and mentally I feel so good I may just say fk it and choose primo over hair.

Here if you write " i take trenbolone for personnal use " your blood are surely not receivable at 98% lol

Winstrol single give lot pain on joint / tendon drop the test level, up the ldl like hell, drain the body like hell, but give hard pump / vascularity, stimulate appetit and strenght (but with tendonitis or joint pain it's not easy to push some weight)

I agree Primo are surely more safe, but not easy to find, definitely one of the most counterfeited AAS with in the world (like oxandrolone lot people have really stano inside)

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

I injected 60mg primo EoD and my E2 went from 56 to 18. It crashed pretty hard within four weeks. I upped my test from 200/week to 240/week and then lowered primo to 50mg/EOD.

 

[y777]

third week so far. Really liking primo. One thing I’m noticing is that my muscles feel a lot more “natty”.

Let me explain. I feel them get fatigued at the gym. I feel them sore and tired over next couple of days. Not the Joints but the muscles I’ve trained. I then hit the muscle again at the gym and i am still able to lift as much and make gains in the load. But I don’t *feel* stronger. It feels a lot more natural

This is while running 350 test E and 700 primo.

My only comparison to other gear is my prior cycle - having run 650 test (500 test-P + 150 test-c) + 50mg daily IM winny. I was never sore. Never tired in the muscles. Win gave me mental strength at the gym. But yet this cycle feels like there is more growth happening under the hood. Idk.

Oh and I’m pleasantly surprised at the pumps I’m still getting. This is a week after stopping var, which I ran first two weeks of this cycle.

I feel dry but not dried out. It’s as if it’s test only without the swelling.

And also appetite isn’t changing. Running a deficit and have been paranoid about compounds spiking my appetite. So far this is working well and my body appreciates not running test too high.

 

[buzzingonaas]

third week so far. Really liking primo. One thing I’m noticing is that my muscles feel a lot more “natty”.

Let me explain. I feel them get fatigued at the gym. I feel them sore and tired over next couple of days. Not the Joints but the muscles I’ve trained. I then hit the muscle again at the gym and i am still able to lift as much and make gains in the load. But I don’t *feel* stronger. It feels a lot more natural

This is while running 350 test E and 700 primo.

My only comparison to other gear is my prior cycle - having run 650 test (500 test-P + 150 test-c) + 50mg daily IM winny. I was never sore. Never tired in the muscles. Win gave me mental strength at the gym. But yet this cycle feels like there is more growth happening under the hood. Idk.

Oh and I’m pleasantly surprised at the pumps I’m still getting. This is a week after stopping var, which I ran first two weeks of this cycle.

I feel dry but not dried out. It’s as if it’s test only without the swelling.

And also appetite isn’t changing. Running a deficit and have been paranoid about compounds spiking my appetite. So far this is working well and my body appreciates not running test too high.

That’s what I love about primo. When I come to cruise, I don’t start withering away. Maybe I look less impressive while on it than another compound but the gains stay and you don’t deflate like deca or something

 

[y777]

That’s what I love about primo. When I come to cruise, I don’t start withering away. Maybe I look less impressive while on it than another compound but the gains stay and you don’t deflate like deca or something

Do you continue primo when you cruise ? What dose of test and primo do you cycle / cruise ?

 

[buzzingonaas]

Do you continue primo when you cruise ? What dose of test and primo do you cycle / cruise ?

Last time was something like 350 test, 600 primo. Now it’s about 400 test, 500 primo. No primo during cruise, cruising on 200 test. I drop about 2-3 pounds from the extra test water but keep the same look. Also stay on 4iu gh though which keeps me lean

 

[Basicdogdude]

third week so far. Really liking primo. One thing I’m noticing is that my muscles feel a lot more “natty”.

Let me explain. I feel them get fatigued at the gym. I feel them sore and tired over next couple of days. Not the Joints but the muscles I’ve trained. I then hit the muscle again at the gym and i am still able to lift as much and make gains in the load. But I don’t *feel* stronger. It feels a lot more natural

This is while running 350 test E and 700 primo.

My only comparison to other gear is my prior cycle - having run 650 test (500 test-P + 150 test-c) + 50mg daily IM winny. I was never sore. Never tired in the muscles. Win gave me mental strength at the gym. But yet this cycle feels like there is more growth happening under the hood. Idk.

Oh and I’m pleasantly surprised at the pumps I’m still getting. This is a week after stopping var, which I ran first two weeks of this cycle.

I feel dry but not dried out. It’s as if it’s test only without the swelling.

And also appetite isn’t changing. Running a deficit and have been paranoid about compounds spiking my appetite. So far this is working well and my body appreciates not running test too high.

Are you saying testosterone makes you swell?

 

[y777]

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Are you saying testosterone makes you swell?

yes, similar to NPP

 

[lilhawk]

If you’re using 700mg of legit primo and 350mg of test and your muscles feel ‘natty’ you’re doing something wrong. Primo gives fullness and roundness like no other especially at the dose you’re using, by greatly increasing nitrogen retention, and it’s great for recovery between workouts.

 

[y777]

If you’re using 700mg of legit primo and 350mg of test and your muscles feel ‘natty’ you’re doing something wrong. Primo gives fullness and roundness like no other especially at the dose you’re using, by greatly increasing nitrogen retention, and it’s great for recovery between workouts.

Definitely helping recovery. Natty feeling is that I don’t feel it if that makes sense. I don’t feel like im on a drug. I am 8 weeks into it and I SEE its footprint on my body. And strength but it’s not like winstrol or taking test base and just raging at the gym. It’s so subtle.

I’ve been pretty restricted diet wise (1600-1900 calorie vs 3k TDEE) and experienced minimal lean losses. I can’t even imagine how well this compound would work with sufficient surplus or even at maintenance diet. Just wanna finish a cut for my own personal goal. Been skinny fat too long in my life so now I’ve been leaning out. Figured 12-16 weeks total when just up the calories and start bulking. I’m on permanent TRT so not gonna pct. Maybe take down doses once I have more food in there

 

[TheRingloVale]

Definitely helping recovery. Natty feeling is that I don’t feel it if that makes sense. I don’t feel like im on a drug. I am 8 weeks into it and I SEE its footprint on my body. And strength but it’s not like winstrol or taking test base and just raging at the gym. It’s so subtle.

I’ve been pretty restricted diet wise (1600-1900 calorie vs 3k TDEE) and experienced minimal lean losses. I can’t even imagine how well this compound would work with sufficient surplus or even at maintenance diet. Just wanna finish a cut for my own personal goal. Been skinny fat too long in my life so now I’ve been leaning out. Figured 12-16 weeks total when just up the calories and start bulking. I’m on permanent TRT so not gonna pct. Maybe take down doses once I have more food in there

1600-1900 calories? No wonder you don't feel pumped and full

 

[malfeasance]

Definitely helping recovery. Natty feeling is that I don’t feel it if that makes sense. I don’t feel like im on a drug. I am 8 weeks into it and I SEE its footprint on my body. And strength but it’s not like winstrol or taking test base and just raging at the gym. It’s so subtle.

I’ve been pretty restricted diet wise (1600-1900 calorie vs 3k TDEE) and experienced minimal lean losses. I can’t even imagine how well this compound would work with sufficient surplus or even at maintenance diet. Just wanna finish a cut for my own personal goal. Been skinny fat too long in my life so now I’ve been leaning out. Figured 12-16 weeks total when just up the calories and start bulking. I’m on permanent TRT so not gonna pct. Maybe take down doses once I have more food in there

You are not going to be "raging" with strength at the gym on 1600 calories no matter what drugs you are taking.

 

[y777]

You are not going to be "raging" with strength at the gym on 1600 calories no matter what drugs you are taking.

Def not. Few times when I happened to eat closer to 3k I felt unreal at the gym.

I’m mentally so ready for a lean bulk. Just down to the last 15 lbs of fat I want to melt off. Three weeks into having added HGH 4 IUs daily. 2 of those in the AM, fasted cardio now then some carbs and a lift. I do all my workouts in the early AM so unfort don’t have time to do a proper meal between the fasted cardio and the lift so now I just have Gatorade and a banana once I’m off the bike /treadmill.

I’ve been on tirz so even if I relax w my eating I’m still not more than 2-2.2k per day

The only compound that I’ve ever tried that can give me aggression /strength while severely restricted is winstrol aat 50-100 injected ED. Var while giving strength and pumps doesn’t come close to the explosive strength that winny can give me. But unfort it’s such a bloody toxic compound that I’m saving it for the “dick skin” phase once I’m very Lean LOL

 

[y777]

1600-1900 calories? No wonder you don't feel pumped and full

It’s fascinating to me how just eating a carbs meal will instantly give me a wicked pump in my forearms even if I haven’t worked them in a couple of days.

 

[strangegenericguy]

It’s fascinating to me how just eating a carbs meal will instantly give me a wicked pump in my forearms even if I haven’t worked them in a couple of days.

hi! i answer the topic after sometime, how is the e2 situation now ? how are you going ?

 

[y777]

hi! i answer the topic after sometime, how is the e2 situation now ? how are you going ?

i did most of my cycle at higher doses of primo, and found that 1.33 primo/test ratio is the sweet spot for me. with 250mg HCG daily i was able to take it even higher at over 2.1x test. adding mast hasn’t affected me negatively , ie i didn’t have to lower primo once i added mast into the mix. seems to just work independently


the one takeaway is that test gives me the most sides and my ideal test dose is lower than most guys would run. (200-300 on cycle and then stack non test on top )