My next cycle #3

[Liter O' Test]

A cycle of 250mg of tren per week and 30mg of dbol daily would yield more gains than a 500mg test only cycle. Yes, that's tren and dbol alone.

The low dose of testosterone would be included in the cycle to help you transition straight back to your TRT dose post cycle without any wait time for your test to kick back in. Got it now?

no specifically what does 10mg do?
I put 10mg into my body for weeks, what happens to my testosterone level?
how many milligrams is a TRT dose?


what is the downside of a TRT dose on cycle? That makes you suggest taking 5-10mg as a better option

 

[rexy]

The cycle I recommended was predominantly tren and dbol because it’s potent and effective. I’ve already explained why keeping a small amount of testosterone in the mix is important, many times, so read the thread. I’ve noted your input, and I’ve heard it before. If you disagree, provide a detailed explanation of why it’s a bad approach. Right now, you’re just jumping in, like someone throwing a cheap shot after everyone else has already piled on.

You're the one making the claims about how much more effective certain things are. Why don't you show us that evidence? Burden is on you.

and I have read the thread. I know why you'd keep test in. The question was why at such a low level. 'because dbol and tren are more effective' isn't a justified answer. There is more to the picture than whether something is 'more effective'. What about tolerance?

 

[bolognasty]

no specifically what does 10mg do?
I put 10mg into my body for weeks, what happens to my testosterone level?
how many milligrams is a TRT dose?


what is the downside of a TRT dose on cycle? That makes you suggest taking 5-10mg as a better option

Dianabol produces enough e2 during the cycle when combined with trenbolone, without the need for test. On a mg for mg basis, testosterone is less effective than Dbol, and tren goes without saying. so if the goal is to MAXIMIZE muscle growth, why opt for a WEAKER option? Transition back to TRT, you know, 150-200mg after completing your blast.
And hey, guess what, you don't have to wait weeks now for the test to kick back in because you've kept a small dosage of it in throughout the blast.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Dianabol produces enough e2 during the cycle when combined with trenbolone, without the need for test. On a mg for mg basis, testosterone is less effective than Dbol, and tren goes without saying. so if the goal is to MAXIMIZE muscle growth, why opt for a WEAKER option? Transition back to TRT, you know, 150-200mg after completing your blast.

ok you are a troll

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

ok you are a troll

he is a complete moron, or he is a troll. needs to GTFO

 

[PaintDrinker]

The first major problem I see is starting at 1400mgs. Why not start at half of that and titrate up when progression slows or you start looking softer?

I think the idea “this is my cycle start at this number” is a common issue. Won’t have much runway to have a phenomenal growth phase l, I start feeling like shit around 1500 total AAS.

Also if diet/training is dialed in there’s something very fucking wrong If you can grow from 700mg total AAS load, I mean unless your like 230 lean.

My suggestion is simple. Work your way up to a gram of test, don’t get fancy start at 500-600 and go up 100mgs a month or something. If things are going well when you hit a gram throw in a little npp or primo.

Just my take, we’re all different.

 

[rebornmuscles]

Yea well I don’t plan on keeping test super high, the plan was to lower the rest until I had a good e2 range. Iv ran at 600mg and was completely fine.

Maybe 800mg is high and you can end to hair loss but if it's to have stable e2 and your hair don't fall it's okay, you can down the dosage rapidly too, again I just think it's better up the dosage slowly like take 600mg and go up slowly to 800mg combining primo, it's just another 'safe" method not the better or the "one"

 

[Bigbicep]

May end

The first major problem I see is starting at 1400mgs. Why not start at half of that and titrate up when progression slows or you start looking softer?

I think the idea “this is my cycle start at this number” is a common issue. Won’t have much runway to have a phenomenal growth phase l, I start feeling like shit around 1500 total AAS.

Also if diet/training is dialed in there’s something very fucking wrong If you can grow from 700mg total AAS load, I mean unless your like 230 lean.

My suggestion is simple. Work your way up to a gram of test, don’t get fancy start at 500-600 and go up 100mgs a month or something. If things are going well when you hit a gram throw in a little npp or primo.

Just my take, we’re all different.

may end up doing this

 

[PaintDrinker]

May end

may end up doing this

My man! Stretch that cycle out and make the most of it.

 

[UncleBuns]

I never once said I was against using testosterone or TRT. My point was simply that trenbolone and Dianabol are more potent and anabolic than testosterone, which is why high level competitors choose them and dont run test only cycles. It’s surprising how many missed or misunderstood this point. One member who competes disagreed, and suddenly a bunch of others jumped on board, parroting his view.

Do you realize that testosterone serves many more functions in the body than anabolism? Your proposed cycle will have you feeling terrible and no, it will not be more effective than just testosterone. Also, thinking you can achieve more anabolism in 5 weeks of your terrible cycle than 12 - 20 weeks of test is ridiculous.

How much more anabolic do you think tren and dianabol are than testosterone? Do you not realize there is a ceiling for anabolism in a given time frame no matter what compounds are used? Even if they were more anabolic, and I don't think that they are, it would be a marginal amount. A guy who takes a moderate dose of testosterone and nails his training, nutrition, and sleep will do wildly better than the stupid proposal you are making.

On top of that, your proposed cycle will be much worse for your health and put your hormone profile on a roller coaster. You will get minimal effects and likely feel like shit during and after the cycle and not have much to show for it.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Do you realize that testosterone serves many more functions in the body than anabolism? Your proposed cycle will have you feeling terrible and no, it will not be more effective than just testosterone. Also, thinking you can achieve more anabolism in 5 weeks of your terrible cycle than 12 - 20 weeks of test is ridiculous.

How much more anabolic do you think tren and dianabol are than testosterone? Do you not realize there is a ceiling for anabolism in a given time frame no matter what compounds are used? Even if they were more anabolic, and I don't think that they are, it would be a marginal amount. A guy who takes a moderate dose of testosterone and nails his training, nutrition, and sleep will do wildly better than the stupid proposal you are making.

On top of that, your proposed cycle will be much worse for your health and put your hormone profile on a roller coaster. You will get minimal effects and likely feel like shit during and after the cycle and not have much to show for it.

You have no idea what you're talking about.