What are raws being cut with?

[jonsal]

This thread is making me not want to cycle anymore. When you stop and think the possible "ingredients" , gets sketchier and sketchier.

On a side note, my grandma got cancer out of nowhere. She was a very active 69 year old and lived a very healthy lifestyle. Dropped dead 3 months after being diagnosed. Shit can happen to anyone for any reason.

Brb, got a 25g pin waiting for me...

 

[dper726]

Well I guess my point goes toward this, my grandparents didn't know the perils of lead and other heavy metals, we do. Unless you're fortunate to get pharmacy grade, your shit comes from China and probably going to contain some not so nice things. You're not going to test it (I am certain of this) and you are going to inject it anyway (also certain). So really there's no point complaining about cancer.
Warmest regards,
Atodd

Life is very fragile my friend. A truly as of late am questioning putting anything else into my body of the like of these substances we see around here lately.

Life is beautiful. I would like to keep it that way. I think we should all strive for the same. A better tomorrow.

 

[Harry]

Y'all aren't concerned with all the processed food nowadays? All the chicken we consume that has been pumped full of "steroids" pun intended to get a chicken to grow larger in a shorter amount of time...unless you raise your own chickens to eat or eat organic(lol)

 

[brutus79]

I shot heroin for fifteen years and smoked crack for five before that... I used to pick up needles I dropped in the ashtray, wipe em off and pin. ANYTHING they cut this shit with is better than what I used to pay for to kill myself with... and I can't afford organic food and gear and gh. So fuck it. Get swole and die "young", although I am about ten years older than I thought I would ever be.

I do wear my seatbelt usually, so that's something.

 

[jonsal]

Y'all aren't concerned with all the processed food nowadays? All the chicken we consume that has been pumped full of "steroids" pun intended to get a chicken to grow larger in a shorter amount of time...unless you raise your own chickens to eat or eat organic(lol)

That's actually illegal. It's against the law to pump chickens with hormones in the U.S. Beef, different story.

And ya man. Me and my wife think about that shit alot actually. We eat pretty healthy and buy organic as much as our budget allows.

 

[ATodd]

I shot heroin for fifteen years and smoked crack for five before that... I used to pick up needles I dropped in the ashtray, wipe em off and pin. ANYTHING they cut this shit with is better than what I used to pay for to kill myself with... and I can't afford organic food and gear and gh. So fuck it. Get swole and die "young", although I am about ten years older than I thought I would ever be.

I do wear my seatbelt usually, so that's something.

I used to say I never wanted to see 40 or I'd rather be that candle that burns twice as bright, or any of the other b.s. we say during active addiction. Obviously my perspective has changed. I like life and I'm in better shape now, than I ever was in my 20's. If I were to start worrying about everything that could hurt me, I'd never leave the house. There are a lot of scary things out there, but I'll tell you this, eating a steroid injected chicken, what else is in my gear, what dye is in maraschino cherries are all at the bottom of list of things I give two fucks about. Of this I am certain people will continue to live longer and the list of things that are, "bad for you", will continue to grow.
atodd

That seatbelt comment gave me a good laugh.

 

[devildog93]

I hear he still runs through the house with scissors though, so he's neutral at best.

 

[dper726]

I used to say I never wanted to see 40 or I'd rather be that candle that burns twice as bright, or any of the other b.s. we say during active addiction. Obviously my perspective has changed. I like life and I'm in better shape now, than I ever was in my 20's. If I were to start worrying about everything that could hurt me, I'd never leave the house. There are a lot of scary things out there, but I'll tell you this, eating a steroid injected chicken, what else is in my gear, what dye is in maraschino cherries are all at the bottom of list of things I give two fucks about. Of this I am certain people will continue to live longer and the list of things that are, "bad for you", will continue to grow.
atodd

That seatbelt comment gave me a good laugh.

According to the things I see.. People live longer due in large from third party assistance. There ain't nothing naturally that is enhancing our way of living. Until we don't figure out how to make each of us into a 6 million dollar man I don't want to say life is any better on current medicine.

 

[ATodd]

According to the things I see.. People live longer due in large from third party assistance. There ain't nothing naturally that is enhancing our way of living. Until we don't figure out how to make each of us into a 6 million dollar man I don't want to say life is any better on current medicine.

I agree my friend, I'm just saying I can't worry about everything that can hurt you. I live my life, no reservations. Life is awesome, I devote it to living. My sister expends so much time and energy either talking about how this will kill you or driving to trader joes to get organic this or that. It's the same reason I won't talk about religion or politics. It's a waste of effort and time I could be out doing something worthwhile. Some people who research everything and devote they're lives to living as healthy as they can, could perhaps live an extra 5 years, but they expended 8 years doing it. But what do I know? I just try to be a good person and have fun doing it.
Atodd

 

[dper726]

You're absolutely right in everything you state as far as the people that exercise all means for a healthier living when in reality we will always live in a vicious circle. That someone might be attempting on purchasing hormone free chicken then the moment they walk outside the supermarket they are inhaling the fumes of a nearby truck exhaust in idle. Or that one person that is purchasing a cabinet full of vitamins and minerals more then likely already poses lethal forms of substances from a childhood vaccine now discontinued for health hazard reasons.

But I will certainly tell you something that seems to do the trick on extending life that being non other then worry free aka stress free.

 

[viking23]

Where I work you see awful things just about everyday and man I agree with preparing for the future but live for today! A lot of people avoid certain situations or trying something dangerous (skydiving, amazon trip, etc) because they fear the negative outcomes more than looking forward to the positive ones. Eat right, don't eat candy, don't go to bars that allow smoking blah blah blah.

I try to take care of myself just in case I end up with a family or little one unexpectedly but after seeing a good amounts of lives struck short from tragic accidents I try not to sweat all my bad habits. I mean after all when the game ends the king and the pawn go in the same box!

 

[Dr JIM]

I agree that they are not cut. The real question is why a lab would underdose a finished product, especially Test, when it costs less than a $1a gram.

Again it probably comes down to poor manufacturing standards, not greed.

Do you know ANY drug dealer who doesn't CUT their products.

Come on guys are smarter than to believe this shit is not cut WHEN in raw form.

Obviously the best way to diminish the amount of impurities is to eliminate as many raw middle men as possible.

As far as a an UGL cutting their products when sold in final form such as pills or oils, what's the point, if that UGL is also brewing those products.

That's bc the only reason to step on a drug is to maintain a specified weight and who cares it's premixed weight once it's formulated into to final product.

So what is being used, nothing of value rest assured.

Want to know what these labs use look no further than "big Pharma" for the answer.

And what does BP use SUGAR analogs. Why? Bc they dissolve in oil, esp when heated, and in water and don't cause physical harm or pain when pinned.

 

[flenser]

@Dr JIM wouldn't we be able to extract sugar analogs with multisolvent (methanol-water) recrystallization? If so, that's not what's in the raws I have been playing with.

 

[Dr JIM]

No, sugar it's analogs and short chain monosaccharides are readily soluble in water, alcohols and ester solutions.

That's why they are often MISSED or fail to create a peak on HPLC.

Many simply pass right thru the column undetected within the mobile phase and don't elute onto the grid at all.

Of course the can be detected but the processes involved are tedious and involve the use of ionic solvents, binding agents and ANOTHER column!

 

[flenser]

No, sugar it's analogs and short chain monosaccharides are readily soluble in water, alcohols and ester solutions.

That's why they are often MISSED or fail to create a peak on HPLC.

Many simply pass right thru the column undetected within the mobile phase and don't elute onto the grid at all.

Of course the can be detected but the processes involved are tedious and involve the use of ionic solvents, binding agents and ANOTHER column!

Shouldn't they stay dissolved in the water-methanol solution when the hormone crystallizes?

 

[SuperJew]

If powders are being tested that low, then they are being manufactured in a fucking barn! Another point to consider is that many powder sellers are only RESELLERS. They don't work in or FOR a factory. They buy powders, do god-knows-what with them and then resell them. And of course they make it seem like they work in a factory or even OWN a factory. I live in China and have seen this happen many times. It's even easy to find old women selling " HGH " along with dolls and spices.

 

[MoriorInvictus]

Anything can be "cut"

I've done many bad things in my life and sold more drugs than I can remember. And everyone in my crew cut stuff down. I would sell it to the street peddlers and they would cut it down. Then they would sell it at a marked up price. I never cared because my name wasn't attached to the product they were selling so it didn't matter to me.

The more middle men you get in any operation, the more likely you will see stuff "cut" down. Everyone wants to make a profit and if they see an opportunity to make more money then they will take it!

 

[hotdog23]

No, sugar it's analogs and short chain monosaccharides are readily soluble in water, alcohols and ester solutions.

That's why they are often MISSED or fail to create a peak on HPLC.

Many simply pass right thru the column undetected within the mobile phase and don't elute onto the grid at all.

Of course the can be detected but the processes involved are tedious and involve the use of ionic solvents, binding agents and ANOTHER column!

I feel like the crudest of all testing methods, the melt test, would reveal these as a filler when they carmelized?

 

[Dr JIM]

I feel like the crudest of all testing methods, the melt test, would reveal these as a filler when they carmelized?

That would obviously depend upon how much is used bc the sugars purity has a huge impact on caramelization, the latter occurring bc of the lattice like network that develops bt some sugars when heated.

Want to F it up royally, throw something as simple a flour or a noncarb analog in the mix such as "Nutrasweet" the amide based sweetner.

Actually it's a great experiment for those who believe a MP test is anything but worthless bc impurities can and do markedly effect the results.

 

[manafest]

Anything can be "cut"

I've done many bad things in my life and sold more drugs than I can remember. And everyone in my crew cut stuff down. I would sell it to the street peddlers and they would cut it down. Then they would sell it at a marked up price. I never cared because my name wasn't attached to the product they were selling so it didn't matter to me.

The more middle men you get in any operation, the more likely you will see stuff "cut" down. Everyone wants to make a profit and if they see an opportunity to make more money then they will take it!

I'm guessing getting crap gear shouldn't bother you much since you were once one of culprits..