What are your favorite cutting Compunds?

[Dickwang]

It's simple but it's easy to spread some bro science. Like it is with tren but that's other discussion.
Anyway

I just don’t think something like this should be promoted as “safe” or “simple” like you mentioned…. That’s fine if people want to take it at their own risk…. But the way you are trying to down play the side effects of DNP is alarming…

 

[Nilatac]

I just don’t think something like this should be promoted as “safe” or “simple” like you mentioned…. That’s fine if people want to take it at their own risk…. But the way you are trying to down play the side effects of DNP is alarming…

Man dnp won't cook you alive. Just don't be a idiot. Nothing will happen to you if you fallow some rules. It is very simple and it can be used on very safely manner but don't go full retarded

I and many others who has used dnp can say the same thing. You as you didn't use it you don't know what are you talking about.

 

[Dickwang]

I and many others who has used dnp can say the same thing. You as you didn't use it you don't know what are you talking about.

That’s fine. I can get down with promoting legit poison. I’m pretty versatile…

 

[Pinnacle Elements]

For a serious cut. What are your favorite cutting compounds or your favorite cutting stack.

For me my best cut was on
700 test e
700 mast p
350 primo e
50mg anavar

Your favorite cut stack is the generic “cut” blend sold across many vendors, with anavar.

But, I cannot disagree. This is my favorite stack in general without anavar. Var is too harsh for the little it adds.

 

[readalot]

To make a long story short how to use it. No more 200-250 mg and don't eat carbs. In that way you can take it without even feel like you take dnp.
If you take 600-1g of dnp then yes things you will feel bad and it might be dangerous but don't do that.

HEALTH EFFECTS - Toxicological Profile for Dinitrophenols - NCBI Bookshelf

Section 2.12 and the tables are instructive.

The uncoupling of mitochondrial electron transport from oxidative phosphorylation (see Section 2.18.1) with resultant decreased production of ATP by 2,4-DNP appears to be related to the cataractogenesis of 2,4-DNP. The lens epithelium is the chief source of available energy for the lens (Kuck 1970). In most animals, the energy needs are met principally by anaerobic glycolysis, and <30% by oxidative phosphorylation. In incubated bovine lenses, oxygen was not necessary for maintaining sodium levels in the presence of glucose, suggesting anaerobic respiration in the lens (Trayhurn and van Heyningen 1971). Energy evolved from the breakdown of ATP by Na+/K+-activated ATPase is required for the transport of these cations across the lens epithelium to maintain proper ionic balance. Sodium is actively transported from the lens to the aqueous humor, while potassium is actively transported in the reverse direction. Interference with this active transport mechanism across the lens epithelium can result in increased sodium in the lens, disruption of the ionic balance between the lens and aqueous humor, and subsequent cataract formation. An in vitro study with rabbit lenses also demonstrated that 2,4-DNP does not cause calcium-induced cataracts by interfering with active transport of calcium from the lens, because the energy for calcium transport is derived from anaerobic glycolysis and not oxidative phosphorylation (Hightower and Reddy 1981).

Effects of 2,4-DNP on oxidative phosphorylation may be more important in the lens epithelial cells of humans, rabbits, and domestic birds (e.g., chicks and ducklings), as these species appear to be more susceptible to cataract formation after 2,4-DNP exposure (Kuck 1970). In domestic birds, cataracts occur almost immediately after exposure to 2,4-DNP and are reversible (Buschke 1947). However, in humans, cataracts can occur sometime after treatment is terminated and may not be reversible. This phenomenon has not been fully explained.

 

[Dmiran84]

I've been using tirzepatide for the first time and by the 2nd dose I'm having to force myself too eat

 

[Nilatac]

HEALTH EFFECTS - Toxicological Profile for Dinitrophenols - NCBI Bookshelf

Section 2.12 and the tables are instructive.

Cataracts can happen if the oxidation is too much too fast not from the actual substance. That' why one of the reason is to take a low dose for a short period of time.

 

[Dickwang]

. That' why one of the reason is to take a low dose for a short period of time.

Okay everyone. We found the solution!! just take the fatally toxic poison in low doses… then you will be good.

I heard you can also take microdoses of cyanide to increase the length of your little pecker. Will you be doing that next ?

 

[Nilatac]

Okay everyone. We found the solution!! just take the fatally toxic poison in low doses… then you will be good.

I heard you can also take microdoses of cyanide to increase the length of your little pecker. Will you be doing that next ?

Go on vimeo and search alex kikel dnp. There are useful videos for you and for anyone who misunderstood dnp,what is use for and basically how to use it. Who is a candidate for using and more
If you want to educate yourself look at those videos if you want to talk shit and be clueless but act smart stay as you are

But yeah dnp can be used very safely and very efficient.

 

[Dickwang]

Go on vimeo and search alex kikel dnp. There are useful videos for you and for anyone who misunderstood dnp,what is use for and basically how to use it. Who is a candidate for using and more
If you want to educate yourself look at those videos if you want to talk shit and be clueless but act smart stay as you are

But yeah dnp can be used very safely and very efficient.

I’m sorry bud all I heard was…. Go on Vimeo so you can learn how to take poison safely so you don’t accidentally kill yourself or become permanently fucked up for the rest of your life…

Then I stopped reading….

 

[Nilatac]

I’m sorry bud all I heard was…. Go on Vimeo so you can learn how to take poison safely so you don’t accidentally kill yourself or become permanently fucked up for the rest of your life…

Then I stopped reading….

Now I understand why everyone ignore you.
If you apply this logic you can say that with aas or slin or gh.
No wonder everyone ignored you in your first week here. If you are the same in real life then it's hard for people around you to tolerate you. I'm sorry about them that they can't press ignore and the disappointment of the family is gone

 

[Dickwang]

Now I understand why everyone ignore you.

It’s okay bud… this website turned into JokeRx years ago. I’m still looking for the log in link to the real MesoRx.

Maybe one day we will find it again….

 

[Nilatac]

It’s okay bud… this website turned into JokeRx years ago. I’m still looking for the log in link to the real MesoRx.

Maybe one day we will find it again….

No those days are gone. It wouldn't be the same as it was in 2017 for example. Here at least I agree with you
Now this forum is a joke indeed

 

[Dickwang]

No those days are gone. It wouldn't be the same as it was in 2017 for example. Here at least I agree with you
Now this forum is a joke indeed

all the prophets with orange names are hypocrites…

one of them the other day t&h tried to act like god and say so are you trying to tell me you never had an account here before ? Tried to play internet cop ….all 8 of his little side kicks upvoted it within seconds.

Like they don’t have alt accounts here as well lol…straight clowns…..and they the ones who run this place now a days …..

But basically everything on the Internet changed the last few years…. No matter what website or forum you hangout in….and Based on how Internet and society work together, it will only get worse as time goes by…..

 

[readalot]

To make a long story short how to use it. No more 200-250 mg and don't eat carbs. In that way you can take it without even feel like you take dnp.
If you take 600-1g of dnp then yes things you will feel bad and it might be dangerous but don't do that.

Keep the dose at 200-250 mg and avoid carbs to not overheat as carbs influence how hot you get.

That' why one of the reason is to take a low dose for a short period of time.

May I introduce the concept of therapeutic window?

Throwing out a blanket ceiling dose is problematic. What is the mg/kg/day for the readers here based on a dose of 200 mg? 200 mg once? 200 mg daily for what duration?

Test C, Tren A, Oxandrolone

The whole thread reads as basically @wsmwannabe gets seduced by the dark side as you start from the top and read your rationalizations as you titrate up the dosage. Great to see TNATION being such a caring place. MED for the win! Here’s some discussion that may be useful...

forums.t-nation.com

Therapeutic index, ED50, TD50 and LD50

Quantal dose-response graphs can be characterised by the median effective dose (ED50). The median effective dose is the dose at which 50% of individuals exhibit the specified quantal effect; the median toxic dose is the dose required to produce a defined toxic effect in 50% of subjects, and the...

derangedphysiology.com

...for DNP is the relationship like the plot on the left or right? How bad do you want to find out? Relabel the red function with the label “severely toxic” effect instead of “lethal” effect at least in the short term to be less dramatic.

Why is throwing out blanket dosages extremely problematic for DNP?


In simpler terms, good review:

DNP: The Most Dangerous Fat Loss Drug

by Cy Willson Weight Loss, But at What Cost? Sure, use a chemical used in insecticides and the preservation of wood for weight loss. What could go wrong? Info here. A pound of fat a day. That’s how much some people have allegedly lost while using inordinately large amounts of the metabolism...

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[readalot]

Cataracts can happen if the oxidation is too much too fast not from the actual substance. That' why one of the reason is to take a low dose for a short period of time.

From your listed max dose, what is the mg/kg/day for a representative member here? How does that compare to the normalized dosing with significant cataract risk in humans?

I copied up above the potential mechanism for cataract formation with DNP. Dissolving proton motive force and active transport of key ions is problematic to say the least.

 

[readalot]

If you apply this logic you can say that with aas or slin or gh.

Vastly different therapeutic indices between AAS, GH, insulin and DNP.

Almost impossible to kill yourself from acute overdose of AAS absent a fatal arrythmia/cardiac electrical event/sudden cardiac death. Very simple with DNP with no reversibility.

How would you plot the green function and purple function for DNP?

What is the big issue confronting us?

 

[Nuvo6]

I would never use DNP.

Number one because I don't want explosives mailed to my home. But two because it greatly varies on how dry it's crystals are and that greatly affects dosages.

I think it's a lazy approach. Just like all the new weight-loss peptides. It's lazy people who uses these substances. A treadmill and fork downs work just fine and are plenty safe.

 

[BigTomJ]

Its almost 2024.

If you're still using DNP you're an absolute jackass.
Put the fork down you fat slob.

DNP is overkill for anyone that maintains a reasonable bodycomp (which absolutely ANYONE who is using PEDS of any kind should be)
and anyone who doesnt maintain a reasonable bodycomp clearly doesnt have the foundational knowledge, experience, or discipline required to safely and responsibly use PEDS.

Nowadays, even those that dont have an ounce of personal accountability or self control have semaglutide and similar GLP-1 ag drugs to make up for their lack of self control far more safely than taking an industrial pesticide/explosive.

 

[readalot]

Its almost 2024.

If you're still using DNP you're an absolute jackass.
Put the fork down you fat slob.

DNP is overkill for anyone that maintains a reasonable bodycomp (which absolutely ANYONE who is using PEDS of any kind should be)
and anyone who doesnt maintain a reasonable bodycomp clearly doesnt have the foundational knowledge, experience, or discipline required to safely and responsibly use PEDS.

Nowadays, even those that dont have an ounce of personal accountability or self control have semaglutide and similar GLP-1 ag drugs to make up for their lack of self control far more safely than taking an industrial pesticide/explosive.

Nice summary. Risk from intestinal blockage definitely more palatable than DNP sides.

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Semaglutide Forum: Game Changer for Weight Loss

Lets face it.....the history of weight loss drugs has been horrible. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-diet-drugs-sb/factbox-a-troubled-history-for-weight-loss-drugs-idUSTRE71063Y20110201 Lets just go ahead and throw 2,4-Dinitrophenol into the mix. It is still being used...

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