What is the reason no UGs have or make halos?

[PUMPED]

there is no hostlity, it is just you are giving poor advice to someone who is about to start his first cycle....

and i know that a gram of test and 500 mgs of tren is a great cycle, but not for some ones first cycle...maybe there 3 or 4rth.....this bro does not even know what his tolerance is to AS and with AS more is not always better...

you need to do some more research because.. D-BOL IS NOT TEST!!.....

and a gram of test and 500 mgs of tren is way to much for any persons first cycle...and any knowledgable bro here on meso will agree...




Why all the hostility bro? I've been cordial to you thus far haven't I? Anyway. You are right. Dianabol is not really testosterone. But it is a class I steroid and it just happens to stack well with tren that is a classII steroid. I'm sure that some people feel that short estered tren acetate needs to be stacked with test to prevent the infamous tren dick. I know of many people that have run tren only cycles, myself included, and have never experienced tren dick. In fact, I have never heard of anybody that has got tren dick from tren only. This is only a 40 day cycle too.

I will not defend the 1G of test enan and 500mg tren enan EW cycle. But I will personally never use any less that that for my cycles involving those meds. This is what works best for me. And it also works best for many knowledgable bros on this board.

cronk

 

[conan]

personally, i think tren is shit....you feel sick, insomnia, sweats, painful shots, bad mood ALL THE TIME, and i even get the puke feeling thinking about food on tren.....you can just tell that that shit is NOT made for human use....but my best friend is test....

 

[Starkraven]

dbol is a class II steroid
tren is a class I
Test is class I & II

 

[Cronk]

there is no hostlity, it is just you are giving poor advice to someone who is about to start his first cycle....

and i know that a gram of test and 500 mgs of tren is a great cycle, but not for some ones first cycle...maybe there 3 or 4rth.....this bro does not even know what his tolerance is to AS and with AS more is not always better...

"So we cool Vincent?" I would like to point out that this guy is 33 and 300#. He would require twice as much as somebody at 150#. So I still don't think that 1G is "poor advice." And I will bet that if he uses 500 at first, he will wish he'd used 1000.

 

[UGKIT (ClearlyInsane)]

personally, i think tren is shit....you feel sick, insomnia, sweats, painful shots, bad mood ALL THE TIME, and i even get the puke feeling thinking about food on tren.....you can just tell that that shit is NOT made for human use....but my best friend is test....

they had tren for human use...parabolan...never used it though, but i have used it's close cousin tren enan...take care

 

[Starkraven]

"So we cool Vincent?" I would like to point out that this guy is 33 and 300#. He would require twice as much as somebody at 150#. So I still don't think that 1G is "poor advice." And I will bet that if he uses 500 at first, he will wish he'd used 1000.

Hey bro you do have a strong point, but even though he's big, don't you think he should still start at 500mg test per week and move up from there?

i think the max dose he should start should be 750mg test/week.

 

[Cronk]

dbol is a class II steroid
tren is a class I
Test is class I & II

Thanks bro. I edited my post. As far as starting with 750mg, that sounds like pretty good advice. I'm just particularly amazed at the mass gained off a gram or more compared to 500mg. And at 300# he could conceivably use much more than that. I am NOT advising that much test but he easilly could.

 

[Starkraven]

Thanks bro. I edited my post. As far as starting with 750mg, that sounds like pretty good advice. I'm just particularly amazed at the mass gained off a gram or more compared to 500mg. And at 300# he could conceivably use much more than that. I am NOT advising that much test but he easilly could.

yes you are defnately right. not only does he weigh that much, but im sure alot of it is solid muscle which means he can use 1g with no problems, but i would still start at 500-750mg

 

[GDSGFT]

Sorry cronk, have to agree with pumped. You're giving bullshit advice to a newbie in the world of AAS. Before reccommending 1000mg of test EW in a cycle to a bro on here, first thing you should really point out is HCG.

I guarantee his LH and FSH pituitary levels will take a fuckin shock to the system when 1000mg of any given ester is administered EW.

I think pumped is right, to a beginner who is new to the world of AAS, they need to meet a level of toleration before exceeding X amount of test.

To the guy lookin to start a cycle (forget what your handle was)

Start off with a simple cycle of either 500mg Enanthate/cyp EW for 10 weeks. Say monday and thursday injections.

Eat big, sleep like a bear and train hard.

 

[Cronk]

Sorry cronk, have to agree with pumped. You're giving bullshit advice to a newbie in the world of AAS. Before reccommending 1000mg of test EW in a cycle to a bro on here, first thing you should really point out is HCG.

I guarantee his LH and FSH pituitary levels will take a fuckin shock to the system when 1000mg of any given ester is administered EW.

I think pumped is right, to a beginner who is new to the world of AAS, they need to meet a level of toleration before exceeding X amount of test.

To the guy lookin to start a cycle (forget what your handle was)

Start off with a simple cycle of either 500mg Enanthate/cyp EW for 10 weeks. Say monday and thursday injections.

Eat big, sleep like a bear and train hard.

Am I the only person on this board that recomends "banging the drum" here? As far as me giving bullshit advice...well...I gave my opinion. It's not like he's gonna overdose on a friggin gram of test. And you act as though his hpta will be shut down forever. You're overreacting a little here.

You don't make much sence with "LH and FSH pituitary levels taking a shock to the system when a gram of any aas is used." I think you could stand to do a little research yourself and learn why and how an increase or decrease in LH and FSH blood levels signal the hypothalamus to tell any gland (ie. pituitary gland) to do something. And you should also know that 1000mg of aas is not the ((magic)) dosage that is required to completely halt production of your own endogenous testosterone. In fact it takes much, much less than that. Do you really believe that 1000mg will actually shut you down any more than 500mg?

And please enlighten us all on what you mean by somebody should meet a level of toleration before exceeding x amount of testosterone. And how exactly does one measure this supposed "level of toleration?" And eactly how is this "x amount of test" configured? Do you go by weight of the subject? Age? Training history? How many mg's of aas one has already used? And does this x theory of yours change with each different kind of aas?

cronk the bullshit opinion stater

 

[morepain]

Well cronk, [as a ride in on my white horse to your rescue] I agree in most respects with u. Most guys on this board simply repeat what they have read on this board, what happens in the real world is typically much different than what happens on Meso. One of the most enlightening articles i have read was back in the day when the real MM2K was still around and they use to do the anabolic roundtables with experts in the field. It was pretty much unanimous that if u are going to take drugs to enhance your physique you may as well just start out with a gram of test a week from the get go, all these guys are really doing is delaying the inevitable. 500mg's of test works no better for your first cycle than it will your tenth, there is simply a new level you will achieve on any given amount of drugs so the escalating dosages theory never really made much sense. Basically what they are saying is, OK first i want to do a cycle that is mediocre then i will do one that is a little better, than eventually i will use an amount that is worth doing which is what they should have done from square on. 500mg of exogenous test will shut you down completely just like a gram and will just give u a lesser return. Alot of guys will disagree but i would ask them if their opinions are their own from experience or those that they have read on the boards. All opinions i have stated are from 20 years of bodybuilding experience and gear usage not what the "vets" on some BB board tell me i should do.

 

[patsfan]

I did 1000 ew test e and 600 eq on my first one

 

[madman]

If you wanna short cycle, you might consider 40 days of dbol @ 50-65mg ED along with fina(tren acetate) at 100mg ED. The increase in strength on that cycle is amazing especially considering it's only a 40 day cycle.
And if you choose a longer cycle and wanna still use tren, I'm positive you'd be exceptionally happy with 1G test enan and 500mg tren enan EW for at least 10 weeks.
Just my opinion.
cronk

You should keep your opinion to yourself, bad advice for a beginer.
#1 Too much Tren Ac ED
#2 You said use 500mg of Tren E, yet use 700mg of Tren Ace? (ester weight not figured in).
#3 You will not see much of a diff between 750mg of Test E and 1g.
#4 Use the KISS program for your first cycle.

 

[PUMPED]

ok morepain i can see where you are comming from, but i have been in the game a long time like yourself...and everyone has there own idea of what a begginer cycle should be...

if this guy uses 500 mgs of test enan a week for 10-12 weeks, there is no reason he should not be able to put 20 lbs maybe more depending on diet, training, sleep, and his overall goals....

how much wieght do you expect him to gain by doubling the gear and doing a gram of test a week.??????? you think he will gain 40 lbs....even if he gains 25 lbs was it worth the extra sides (ie. gyno, acne, high blood pressure, etc), because they will increase when increasing the dosages..

1 gram of test and 500 mgs of tren is excessive for a first cycle...there is no question about it...the end

Well cronk, [as a ride in on my white horse to your rescue] I agree in most respects with u. Most guys on this board simply repeat what they have read on this board, what happens in the real world is typically much different than what happens on Meso. One of the most enlightening articles i have read was back in the day when the real MM2K was still around and they use to do the anabolic roundtables with experts in the field. It was pretty much unanimous that if u are going to take drugs to enhance your physique you may as well just start out with a gram of test a week from the get go, all these guys are really doing is delaying the inevitable. 500mg's of test works no better for your first cycle than it will your tenth, there is simply a new level you will achieve on any given amount of drugs so the escalating dosages theory never really made much sense. Basically what they are saying is, OK first i want to do a cycle that is mediocre then i will do one that is a little better, than eventually i will use an amount that is worth doing which is what they should have done from square on. 500mg of exogenous test will shut you down completely just like a gram and will just give u a lesser return. Alot of guys will disagree but i would ask them if their opinions are their own from experience or those that they have read on the boards. All opinions i have stated are from 20 years of bodybuilding experience and gear usage not what the "vets" on some BB board tell me i should do.

 

[morepain]

agreed he will make good gains on 500, maybe i have just been in this game a little "too long" if u know what i mean, anyway the guy is already 300lbs, shit if i was 300 lbs + natural my advice to myself would be, don't take anything, because he is obviously naturally gifted.

 

[Shukdawg]

Thanks for all the advice guys. Didnt mean for it to become so heated.

Right now I would be satisfied with gaining 10-15 lbs muscle and losing 5 lbs or so of fat. If thats even possible. The main thing is Strength and Recovery. Im probably going to start with 500-750 depending on what I buy and the dosage per cc.

Question? Will I lose more Body Fat if I include Tren into the mix? Would be nice to be a cut (EGO) Powerlifter. Im pretty solid, maybe 15%BF.

Question? Where is the table showing what class Steroids are? What does it mean?

Once again Thanks for all the input.

 

[Cronk]

You should keep your opinion to yourself, bad advice for a beginer.
#1 Too much Tren Ac ED
#2 You said use 500mg of Tren E, yet use 700mg of Tren Ace? (ester weight not figured in).
#3 You will not see much of a diff between 750mg of Test E and 1g.
#4 Use the KISS program for your first cycle.

Sheesh this is getting ugly. And you can fuck off madman. I know that you know your shit about aas. That's what confuses me about your comments. Seems that you're just trying to piss me off.

#1 who the hell said 100mg ED tren ace was too much? Your mama?
#2 700mg tren with 420mg dbol EW***compared to***1000mg test with 500mg tren EW. what's your point?
#3 You will not see much difference between 750 and 1000, 500 and 750, 250 and 500, and nothing and 250. So why even bother using in the first place?
#4 can't get much simpler than these two cycles. if you ask me nicely madman, i'll be glad to draw you a nice little picture so you can better understand things.

 

[PUMPED]

Cronk, you come on this thread with your supremecy act, when in reality you are nothing to this board. Madman is a repsected bro on Meso who brings lot to the table...while once again you bring nothing except poor advice for someone that is going to start his first cycle. You are on the road to earning a lot of respect here on meso....

Sheesh this is getting ugly. And you can fuck off madman. I know that you know your shit about aas. That's what confuses me about your comments. Seems that you're just trying to piss me off.

#1 who the hell said 100mg ED tren ace was too much? Your mama?
#2 700mg tren with 420mg dbol EW***compared to***1000mg test with 500mg tren EW. what's your point?
#3 You will not see much difference between 750 and 1000, 500 and 750, 250 and 500, and nothing and 250. So why even bother using in the first place?
#4 can't get much simpler than these two cycles. if you ask me nicely madman, i'll be glad to draw you a nice little picture so you can better understand things.

 

[MaxRep]

Time Out Guys...

A lot of you are experienced and have your own opinions. That's great. Put your opinions out there and leave any personal attacks out.

The only think I'm going to say to Shukdawg, is don't bother learning about class 1 or class 2. That's just one persons classification and it's open to a lot of debate. Personally, I think it's bunk and so do most other people. No one in the scientific community uses it and no other steroid guru uses it so it's not been well accepted to say the least.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[PUMPED]

Shukdawg....stick around you will get plenty of good advice...along with the bad you just have to sift through and find out what is the good advice..

but remeber everyone is not an expert, and people that could be telling you what they recommend for a cycle could be a 15 year old sitting there typing bullshit...(ie. xxx)

if you are looking to loose some body fat while gaining 10-15 lbs i would just keep your diet clean and do cardio, while keeping your cycle simple..

500 mgs of enanthate a week, weeks 1-10
50-60 mgs oral winstrol a day, weeks 7-12
l-dex or a-dex .25mg a day weeks 1-12
have nolva on hand...just incase you are gyno sensitive
week 12 begin proper PCT with nolva and clomid
if you want you can also use HCG...but it is not needed


you should have no problem gaining 10-15 lbs while loosing bodyfat with your genetics and this cycle...

good luck and stay safe
PUMPED101

Thanks for all the advice guys. Didnt mean for it to become so heated.

Right now I would be satisfied with gaining 10-15 lbs muscle and losing 5 lbs or so of fat. If thats even possible. The main thing is Strength and Recovery. Im probably going to start with 500-750 depending on what I buy and the dosage per cc.

Question? Will I lose more Body Fat if I include Tren into the mix? Would be nice to be a cut (EGO) Powerlifter. Im pretty solid, maybe 15%BF.

Question? Where is the table showing what class Steroids are? What does it mean?

Once again Thanks for all the input.