What is wrong with this generation and drug usage?

[riggspersonal]

I think every one answered it pretty well on here. Combination of many things. But I think it primarily stems from horrible influences on social media like Clavicular, and ease of access becuase of crypto and the internet.

This is not like anything we've seen before. Yes, kids are dumb like always, but in the age of social media, the dumbest of them all (influencers) can reach and influence kids at unprecedented levels.

This is the primary driver of these ideologues, and I think is responsible for significant mental and physical damage to thousands of young men.


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Clav is basically this generations ZYZZ

 

[PrairieSteel]

I agree with everyone here. I think it comes down to instant gratification and social media influencers.

Not sure what you mean by this, but assuming you’re coming at me?

I’m just asking an honest question, because what I’ve been seeing is highly concerning for a harm-reduction board.

Not here to fight or argue with anyone, my man. With all this information, I would assume kids wouldn’t have to be asking these questions, but rather making the right decisions.

Regarding your comment above, I take exception to your second paragraph. People are going to do whatever they are going to do. This is especially true for younger people. I assume you saw a couple of threads where young people (or people you suspect are young) are getting advice/guidance. You mentioned that this is highly concerning for a harm-reduction forum.

My question for you is do you think it would be less harmful to not provide any advice and leave these young folk to their devices? I don't. Any time I've come across a thread like that it is normally full of disclaimers followed by general advice on how to avoid serious health complications. Maybe I am just stumbling across different threads then you.



Anyway, interesting topic and interesting read. Appreciate the thought provoking question. All the best

 

[2ndchancesNK]

I agree with everyone here. I think it comes down to instant gratification and social media influencers.



Regarding your comment above, I take exception to your second paragraph. People are going to do whatever they are going to do. This is especially true for younger people. I assume you saw a couple of threads where young people (or people you suspect are young) are getting advice/guidance. You mentioned that this is highly concerning for a harm-reduction forum.

My question for you is do you think it would be less harmful to not provide any advice and leave these young folk to their devices? I don't. Any time I've come across a thread like that it is normally full of disclaimers followed by general advice on how to avoid serious health complications. Maybe I am just stumbling across different threads then you.



Anyway, interesting topic and interesting read. Appreciate the thought provoking question. All the best

Definitely meant to simply be a thought provoking question, I think I knew the answer to, but have been wanting to make a thread to garner others opinions.

To answer you question, I agree with you. I try and steer these posters away from their idiotic decisions. Generally speaking, I think I’m just a bit shocked by the number of young people willing to even jump into this world. I remember considering AAS when I was around the age of these posters, but ultimately deciding against it. I made horrible decisions in high school and college regarding using recreational drugs 10x worse than PEDs, and the big reason I stayed away from PEDs was that it threw in a whole different element of drug delivery — injections. It’s just wild to me how willing young people are to jab themselves with needles. Again, not saying how a drug is delivered arbitrarily decides how bad it is, but the general connotation with needles is that it equals “junkie behavior”. Obviously this isn’t true, and some of the smartest people I know take gear and do it in a responsible manner. The paradigm shift is again, shocking, but obviously it’s due to mainstream advertising of people taking PEDs. Open up social media apps and people are messing around with vials, slin pins, all kinds of stuff.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

Clav is basically this generations ZYZZ

Do not insult the dead.

Better to be sick cunt than a sad cunt is something an incel like clavicular would never understand

 

[marsupial]

Lmao here we go again with “what’s wrong with this generation post”

This generation is perfectly fine. You’re missing the part where prior generations didn’t have access to quality controlled gear and just slammed high doses because that’s what everyone else did. Now there’s so much more understanding of nuances (ie the thing that’s entirely lost on most people on this forum) of everything. Even if these guys are being more neurotic about it (eg looksmaxing), they’re still being safer, for the most part.

Furthermore (just because other people here gave their general thoughts on this generation aside from gear use) we have more personal freedom now compared to before. More food options, more career options, more life path options. In the 50s-70s, if you weren’t fully established by age 25, you were a weirdo. Now, you can be 30, not quite there yet, and no one bats an eye.

A lot of the older generation wondering “what’s wrong with this younger generation” is probably subliminal jealousy that older generations themselves aren’t even fully understanding or admitting to. I would be too, were I in there shoes. In the past 20 years, we made far more developments in the given time and for the given technological era compared to the 200 years prior

 

[Lokey]

Definitely meant to simply be a thought provoking question, I think I knew the answer to, but have been wanting to make a thread to garner others opinions.

To answer you question, I agree with you. I try and steer these posters away from their idiotic decisions. Generally speaking, I think I’m just a bit shocked by the number of young people willing to even jump into this world. I remember considering AAS when I was around the age of these posters, but ultimately deciding against it. I made horrible decisions in high school and college regarding using recreational drugs 10x worse than PEDs, and the big reason I stayed away from PEDs was that it threw in a whole different element of drug delivery — injections. It’s just wild to me how willing young people are to jab themselves with needles. Again, not saying how a drug is delivered arbitrarily decides how bad it is, but the general connotation with needles is that it equals “junkie behavior”. Obviously this isn’t true, and some of the smartest people I know take gear and do it in a responsible manner. The paradigm shift is again, shocking, but obviously it’s due to mainstream advertising of people taking PEDs. Open up social media apps and people are messing around with vials, slin pins, all kinds of stuff.

I think the general public acceptance of GLP-1 agonists has reduced the stigma with injections, it's no longer considered "junkie behavior" opening the door to other possibly more risky things.

 

[urmumsurdad30]

if you weren’t fully established by age 25, you were a weirdo. Now, you can be 30, not quite there yet, and no one bats an eye.

Yeah nah, if you're struggling at age 25+ you're definitely a weirdo still ahahah

 

[riggspersonal]

Honestly all very valid points. I'll say this too, the younger generations are generally more health conscious. Alcohol consumption has been on a huge decline. We can argue vaping and zyns have replaced that usage and are worse for you, but my point is that they care about their personal appearance much more.

And to the point on accessibility, I remember buying halodrol for my first ever cycle years ago and man was that sketchy. It's far more transactional and easier to assess source trustworthiness than ever before

 

[riggspersonal]

Do not insult the dead.

Better to be sick cunt than a sad cunt is something an incel like clavicular would never understand

Yeah just meaning in how he's idolized. Zyzz>clavicle forever

 

[explodingHeart]

nothing has changed. bodybuilder is the least popular it's ever been. you're just addicted to social media now.

 

[NotHuman]

Hi everyone,

As mentioned previously, was a lurker in these forums for multiple years doing research before I ever took AAS or even made an account. After that, when I felt reasonably well equipped to give some advice, I joined in. The nice thing about this place is you don’t ever have to ask stupid ass questions because the search bar helps you greatly. However, I need a more concrete answer to the question posed in my thread title.

Why are kids with borderline eating disorder stats hopping on gear so openly like it’s ok?
Why are they choosing retarded things like test P for their first cycle and subsequent cruises?
Do they think they will follow ED injection protocols? (Nope)
What’s this obsession with drugs like Accutane, Fin, Duta, and Minoxidil?
Some of the peptide stacks, fucking really? 10 peptides at once?
The usage of oral steroids — should we even go there?

Is this trolling or legitimate?

There’s never a single mention of drugs I have learned about such as Ezetimibe, Telmisartan, Pitavastatin, etc… that keep us from dying young. They are always drugs regarding hair loss, acne, looks etc… And also, I’m not necessarily advocating for or against usage of those drugs at the age many of these posters are at, but AAS can be a lifelong commitment and these are important things to learn about if you plan on injecting yourself for the decades to come.

Also worth mentioning — I take Accutane and know that hair loss mitigation drugs have their place. However, if I found out my kid was taking the same drugs I buy on an Internet forum they would dig themselves a 6 foot hole into an intensive therapy hospital. It’s concerning as all hell. And many of you know, when a kid says they are 18-19, they really aren’t.

Has this always been happening? Are we just more exposed to it in the digital age? Is it a parenting issues? Social media issue? Both?

Wondering what the Meso members think, because I’m done responding to retarded threads.

Fuck yourself up young and learn these lessons while you can rebound, kids.

I think it’s a combination of everything you said. Social media and the internet has no much conflicting information and so much of it is completely false. The problem is the false info is often presented as factual and very convincing.

 

[unid888]

What’s this obsession with drugs like Accutane, Fin, Duta, and Minoxidil?

99% of peds are taken for looks, same with these meds. Meds to keep the most important part of your face (hair) are basically mandatory these days, unless you want to automatically be the underdog in every social situation due to everyone and their mom being on them.

Why are kids with borderline eating disorder stats hopping on gear so openly like it’s ok?

One of the main reasons is knowledge. It turns out peds are way safer than everyone thought 20 years ago, and social media brought that to everyone's attention.

The usage of oral steroids — should we even go there?
Is this trolling or legitimate?

They're not trolling. The "hope" chart for the world and the future is at an all-time lows, therefore, people don't really care about the future anymore, and it's very understandable.

Fuck yourself up young and learn these lessons while you can rebound, kids.

Realistically, how many fuck themselves up? I think it's an extremely low number compared to people 10-15 years ago and almost a non-issue.

 

[2ndchancesNK]

Lmao here we go again with “what’s wrong with this generation post”

This generation is perfectly fine. You’re missing the part where prior generations didn’t have access to quality controlled gear and just slammed high doses because that’s what everyone else did. Now there’s so much more understanding of nuances (ie the thing that’s entirely lost on most people on this forum) of everything. Even if these guys are being more neurotic about it (eg looksmaxing), they’re still being safer, for the most part.

Furthermore (just because other people here gave their general thoughts on this generation aside from gear use) we have more personal freedom now compared to before. More food options, more career options, more life path options. In the 50s-70s, if you weren’t fully established by age 25, you were a weirdo. Now, you can be 30, not quite there yet, and no one bats an eye.

A lot of the older generation wondering “what’s wrong with this younger generation” is probably subliminal jealousy that older generations themselves aren’t even fully understanding or admitting to. I would be too, were I in there shoes. In the past 20 years, we made far more developments in the given time and for the given technological era compared to the 200 years prior

Brother, kids are smashing their faces with/into hard objects to get a more chiseled jaw line, and my cousin in high school has told me this isn’t some niche thing. That isn’t fucked up to you? Boys are also wearing make up to school.

I’m not trying to shit on this whole generation of teenagers like I didn’t do retarded things at their age, but again, I was just alluding to the shift of norms being a bit shocking. I would say these behavior indicate mental health issues with these kids that is toeing the line of being a severe issue.

Now regarding gear usage, remember, we are on a forum where regular posters are well educated on dosing, risk mitigation, etc… there are guys at local levels shows slamming grams of gear into their asses, not getting bloodwork, and engaging in risky as hell behavior to not even make it to the national level, then there are olympians taking half the dosages. Having access to knowledge doesn’t necessarily mean people are using it. I train in a smaller bodybuilding gym with a pretty tight knit community where people are usually pretty open about usage when you get to know them. Would you believe that average Joe non competitors are often the ones taking a ton of shit? I have seen this to be true on a number of occasions although it is not always the case. For example, people on this forum often know that you can take 100-200mg of Tren a week as an effective dose. There are people in the general population who still do things like pin a 100mg of Ace a day.

Fact of the matter is, even with access to anything you need regarding harm reduction, the access to any and every drug is there, and guess what? People who are adolescents and even the adult population might start small, but when they hop on that first cycle, they are going to like it. All it takes is an addictive personality and those doses will climb higher and higher. That’s just human nature.

 

[Earthworm Jim]

Lmao here we go again with “what’s wrong with this generation post”

This generation is perfectly fine. You’re missing the part where prior generations didn’t have access to quality controlled gear and just slammed high doses because that’s what everyone else did. Now there’s so much more understanding of nuances (ie the thing that’s entirely lost on most people on this forum) of everything. Even if these guys are being more neurotic about it (eg looksmaxing), they’re still being safer, for the most part.

Furthermore (just because other people here gave their general thoughts on this generation aside from gear use) we have more personal freedom now compared to before. More food options, more career options, more life path options. In the 50s-70s, if you weren’t fully established by age 25, you were a weirdo. Now, you can be 30, not quite there yet, and no one bats an eye.

A lot of the older generation wondering “what’s wrong with this younger generation” is probably subliminal jealousy that older generations themselves aren’t even fully understanding or admitting to. I would be too, were I in there shoes. In the past 20 years, we made far more developments in the given time and for the given technological era compared to the 200 years prior

I mean you could go all the way back to sodom and gomorrah when people were trying to have sex with angels to get divine power with the looksmaxxing and PED stuff

 

[butter_s girl]

Lmao here we go again with “what’s wrong with this generation post”

This generation is perfectly fine. You’re missing the part where prior generations didn’t have access to quality controlled gear and just slammed high doses because that’s what everyone else did. Now there’s so much more understanding of nuances (ie the thing that’s entirely lost on most people on this forum) of everything. Even if these guys are being more neurotic about it (eg looksmaxing), they’re still being safer, for the most part.

Furthermore (just because other people here gave their general thoughts on this generation aside from gear use) we have more personal freedom now compared to before. More food options, more career options, more life path options. In the 50s-70s, if you weren’t fully established by age 25, you were a weirdo. Now, you can be 30, not quite there yet, and no one bats an eye.

A lot of the older generation wondering “what’s wrong with this younger generation” is probably subliminal jealousy that older generations themselves aren’t even fully understanding or admitting to. I would be too, were I in there shoes. In the past 20 years, we made far more developments in the given time and for the given technological era compared to the 200 years prior

That sheer amount of options and freedom is something older generations can‘t relate to much. + the pressure to optimize in every aspect of live and the lack of proper role models, I think, can‘t be underestimated in this development. Well and simply drug experimentation. Hell i did everything under the sun except for crack, h and meth. Can‘t really judge anyone else for experimenting.

 

[Adi18]

20 years old or even younger + test p + discussion around "growth plates" + gh + finasteride = looksmaxing

This. Looksmaxing is a thing. I think it started as trolling and it has a life of its own now. Do a bit of searching about looksmaxing and you'll find your answers op

 

[Rand]

I agree with everyone here. I think it comes down to instant gratification and social media influencers.



Regarding your comment above, I take exception to your second paragraph. People are going to do whatever they are going to do. This is especially true for younger people. I assume you saw a couple of threads where young people (or people you suspect are young) are getting advice/guidance. You mentioned that this is highly concerning for a harm-reduction forum.

My question for you is do you think it would be less harmful to not provide any advice and leave these young folk to their devices? I don't. Any time I've come across a thread like that it is normally full of disclaimers followed by general advice on how to avoid serious health complications. Maybe I am just stumbling across different threads then you.



Anyway, interesting topic and interesting read. Appreciate the thought provoking question. All the best

Lmao here we go again with “what’s wrong with this generation post”

This generation is perfectly fine. You’re missing the part where prior generations didn’t have access to quality controlled gear and just slammed high doses because that’s what everyone else did. Now there’s so much more understanding of nuances (ie the thing that’s entirely lost on most people on this forum) of everything. Even if these guys are being more neurotic about it (eg looksmaxing), they’re still being safer, for the most part.

Furthermore (just because other people here gave their general thoughts on this generation aside from gear use) we have more personal freedom now compared to before. More food options, more career options, more life path options. In the 50s-70s, if you weren’t fully established by age 25, you were a weirdo. Now, you can be 30, not quite there yet, and no one bats an eye.

A lot of the older generation wondering “what’s wrong with this younger generation” is probably subliminal jealousy that older generations themselves aren’t even fully understanding or admitting to. I would be too, were I in there shoes. In the past 20 years, we made far more developments in the given time and for the given technological era compared to the 200 years prior

It really doesn't matter what he thinks

The world moves on