What should I choose as hairloss prevention?

[xrayphoton13]

How do you get .25mg dutasteride? Suspension?

For anyone unaware, the reason dutasteride is more effective at preventing hair loss than finasteride isn't because it lowers DHT more, but because there are 2 types of test to dht conversion. Fin only suppresses type 2. Dut suppresses type 1 and type 2,

Type 1 conversion takes place within hair follicles, the worst possible place for DHT to be produced, This DHT also emerges from the follicle with natural oils, then spreads across the scalp to other follicles, acting like a topical DHT lotion.

Nope. I sent you a picture of them before. Dutaheal comes in 0.5mg tabs. You just break them in half

 

[Ghoul]

Nope. I sent you a picture of them before. Dutaheal comes in 0.5mg tabs. You just break them in half

A sub .5mg dose is so rare to see I didn't even make the connection of who was mentioning it, lol. That's the Dutasteride I've gone with thanks to you. Thanks again. I'm going to share before and after DHT levels using the same protocol after 2 months.

 

[Ghoul]

No it's more just bc I'm lazy and it's less stuff to take. Plus I've never noticed and shedding when off cycle

Keep in mind shedding is not loss. It's gradual shaft thinning so it's far more insidious and difficult to notice.

 

[DugPrime]

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Wasn't ketoconazole shampoo the best for that purpose?

 

[Ghoul]

Wasn't ketoconazole shampoo the best for that purpose?

No they serve different purposes.

Keto shampoo acts as an anti-inflammatory and weakly inhibits some local 5-AR DHT conversion. No more than 2-3 times a week. Must be left on for 5 solid minutes to work.

Salicylic Acid shampoo cuts through sebum and exfoliates the skin, clearing off buildup of the DHT containing fats coating the scalp and can be used like normal shampoo.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Keep in mind shedding is not loss. It's gradual shaft thinning so it's far more insidious and difficult to notice.

Yeah I really should probably use it at all times. Just waiting to get the minoxidil tabs. The topical foam is annoying

 

[brutalbuilt]

Hard to tell if the test or the DHB for example is the problem. Some say DHB is terribke for your hair, other say its one if the safest.

stop the dhb and see if it gets better

 

[Proud Pangolin]

is this a typo of DHT?
either way you dont know what youre talking about.
DHT is proven to be much more damaging to the hair follicle than testosterone itself, for many different reasons im not going to waste my time listing here because you clearly dont know anything and don't actually want to know anything.



best thing for you to do is not do fucking steroids if you are this worried about your hair, imagine what will happen when you get other side effects from steroids like acne and permanent low testosterone all for like 3lbs of muscle you will lose anyway since you are PCTing, (another indicator you have 0 clue and think you can do a cycle and be superman for the rest of your life and compensate for your low self esteem)

Ahh sorry i should have clarified, no i meant the ASS DHB (1-testosterone).

Besides how about you actually take a evidence based approche and stop callimg PFS "retardation" when over 7 studys with clinical evidence of its existens exist.

And as you claim that you will lose all your muscle when pct and you are only putting 3lbs of muscle om during a cycle i would really stop to give any advise because obviously YOU dont know what you are doing or at least are pretty bad at it.

Seems like you are the one with low self esteem, shitting here a comment like this out, like somebody forced you to answer.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

No they serve different purposes.

Keto shampoo acts as an anti-inflammatory and weakly inhibits some local 5-AR DHT conversion. No more than 2-3 times a week. Must be left on for 5 solid minutes to work.

Salicylic Acid shampoo cuts through sebum and exfoliates the skin, clearing off buildup of the DHT containing fats coating the scalp and can be used like normal shampo

No they serve different purposes.

Keto shampoo acts as an anti-inflammatory and weakly inhibits some local 5-AR DHT conversion. No more than 2-3 times a week. Must be left on for 5 solid minutes to work.

Salicylic Acid shampoo cuts through sebum and exfoliates the skin, clearing off buildup of the DHT containing fats coating the scalp and can be used like normal shampoo.

Why not more than 3x per week?
During my last cycle i used it dailyand it gave me very oily skin. Im guessing as a counterreaction of my skin as the shampoo dries it out so much.

But maybe through a conditioner or something like similar this wont happen anymore

 

[Proud Pangolin]

stop the dhb and see if it gets better

Maybe im overreacting anyways. Tbh i couldnt really tell if i was shedding during my last cycle. Like, its hard to tell because you can imagine/think yourself in it very fast.

Its more like prophylactic because the moment you notice significant hairloss its already pretty late in my opinion

 

[Ghoul]

Why not more than 3x per week?
During my last cycle i used it dailyand it gave me very oily skin. Im guessing as a counterreaction of my skin as the shampoo dries it out so much.

But maybe through a conditioner or something like similar this wont happen anymore

The FDA says 3 days between uses because it's irritating to the skin, and ketoconozole is hepatoxic (though only a very small amount gets in the blood, that's why it's prescription only in some countries, to protect people with liver problems or avoid adding to the damage of other hepatoxic meds).

 

[CareyL12]

This question/my problem has multiple layers so im trying to keep it as short as possible.
Soon I will start my 4 month cycle (after that im going fully off/duing PCT) so I need a hairloss prevention for this time.
As fin takes it time to work and only protects against hairloss due to DHT (we know that many ASS that don’t convert to DHT can be very bad for your hair) its off the table. RU58841 is also off the table simply because a) there is no clinical evidence and no clinical saftyprofile and b) some people experience serious/dangerous sideeffects so doesn’t sound like a good option.

Therefore im basically left with two Options:
1.Pyrilutamide/KX-826
2.Fluridil/ Topilutamide

Lets get into the pros and cons
1.1. Pyrilutamide/KX-826:
Clinical evidence is controversial, in the last study there was no significant difference between the placebogroup and treatmentgroup however both groups experienced significant hairgrowth in that period (which is pretty weird). The alpha was also choosen very strict and I cant find any information about the size of the groups (but don’t want to dive to deep into statistcs).
As they used only 0,5% twice a day meaning 10mg per day one could try to double the dose to 10mg daily.

The main problem is: I cant get the original product from kentor so I can only choose some greymarket products or Chinese sources and as these Greymarket products surly use Chinese Pyrilutamide im left with one big problem:
How can I be even slightly sure im getting Pyrilutamide? Is there anything at all I could do to increase the possibilitys?
They could just sent me some white dust, wouldn’t be the 1001 case this happened.

2.Fluridil/ Topilutamide
Clinical evidence is also controversial/not a lot there. Its said to be rather week/significant weeker at the same dosage as similar substances.
I can get the original stuff but only at 2%. Even if I would double the dose (which woud be abut as expensive as using 2 times daily the 1% Pyrsolution) it still would be just 4% (or 80mg per day as in a vial with 2% concentration are 2ml).
Some people have claimed that you need high concentrations for it to work like 10% but then I am back at the same problem I had with Pyrl:

From where should I know if im getting what I paid for from the Chinese vendors?
Because its not even like we are talking about some known sellers, were we have feedback (like in the underground section) and also its not like something that is very common bought. If you buy some test you can just do some bloodwork. If you want to buy RU you can use one of the options from the underground with feedback and also RU is bought and therefore produced often, so in general your risk of getting something else will be much lower.
And testing this in a laboratory cost 350 bucks.

So whats your opinion about this? Any advise? Is there an alternative/in general something I haven’t considered?

Use a nioxin shampoo/conditioner/treatment kit. Minoxidil. I’m 40 and my hair is the same as it was when I was 20.

 

[Nidus]

No they serve different purposes.

Keto shampoo acts as an anti-inflammatory and weakly inhibits some local 5-AR DHT conversion. No more than 2-3 times a week. Must be left on for 5 solid minutes to work.

Salicylic Acid shampoo cuts through sebum and exfoliates the skin, clearing off buildup of the DHT containing fats coating the scalp and can be used like normal shampoo.

Would Salicylic Acid shampoo also help with dry scalp skin? Always had the issue of extremely dry skin underneath the beard, legs and scalp.

 

[null88]

I recommend oral minoxidil. Been on 5mg for 8 months, still got a bald spot on my crown but the rest of my hair has gotten significantly thicker, so I could probably pull off a comb over

 

[RandallFlagg]

Just a word of caution in regards to oral Minoxidil - although rare, you can develop non dose-dependent pericardial effusion (fluid around the heart).

I understand plenty of people have used it just fine but be aware of this potential complications.

1 dose can cause it. A low dose (1.25 mg) can cause it. If I recall correctly, it is reversible after stopping the med but it has been a little while since I looked into it closer.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

Just a word of caution in regards to oral Minoxidil - although rare, you can develop non dose-dependent pericardial effusion (fluid around the heart).

I understand plenty of people have used it just fine but be aware of this potential complications.

1 dose can cause it. A low dose (1.25 mg) can cause it. If I recall correctly, it is reversible after stopping the med but it has been a little while since I looked into it closer.

I also read the potential sideeffects are very nasty

 

[Ghoul]

I also read the potential sideeffects are very nasty

You can count the number of healthy people who've gotten serious sides on one hand.

Tylenol has a higher rate of injury and death.

This drug has been around for 60 years, used by tens of millions. It's well understood and not "high risk".

The sick people who are vulnerable to significant problems can get those from topical minoxidil as well, since it goes systemic, yet it's considered safe enough to be over the counter.

 

[RandallFlagg]

You can count the number of healthy people who've gotten serious sides on one hand.

Tylenol has a higher rate of injury and death.

I bets if you put oral Minoxidil on the shelf from 1.25 to 40 mg - you'd be seeing a different result, boss.

But yeah, I am not saying don't roll with Minoxidil. People just really need to realize there is the potential for some nasty sides. We really do talk about A LOT of these drugs like they are candy...I get we can't put a medical disclaimer on every post but also can't just say "open the PCT 24x 7 catalog and go to town!"

 

[JK1]

TLDR: Yes, 5mg, but no further, provides additional hair benefits with very low risk of any serious or lasting sides.

Like most BP meds, there's an initial period where the vessels targeted by the med can over dilate, leading to possible side effects, which typically resolve within a few weeks to a month, because the body rebalances by making specific vessels tighten back down.

Minox 5mg is a "child" dose, well below the usual dose for adult BP treatment, but it is possible for the most common side, water retention/swelling to occur. If this even happens (unlikely), it should clear up quickly.

Studies show 5mg does provide significant hair growth benefits over 2.5mg. I consulted with a top hair replacement surgeon and he was using 5mg/day.

Beyond this dose there don't seem to be any additional benefits, Once a day is fine, though if sides are troublesome, dividing into 2x a day can lessen them,

The only other issue is body hair growth accelerates, but it's a lot easier to shave your back once in a while than it is to grow more hair on your head via some other method.

Regular use of MT-II has reverted greys to black. Not brown, not blond, not any other color, black.

It seems to bring melanocytes in hair follicles back to life, but like most resurrected zombies, they come back not necessarily looking the same as before. I'm dark brown so it's fine for me. One you stop, they'll revert to grey within 6 months or so.

What about MT-1?

 

[Ghoul]

What about MT-1?

The vast abundance of evidence regarding hair darkening is for MT-2. I haven't come across anything that suggests a similar effect from MT-1, but I can't say it doesn't, either.