what the hell just happened on my dnp cycle?

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so I'm on contest prep, and decided to run a short but hard dnp cycle at around 9 and a half weeks out. i was already very lean at this point. quite far ahead of where i needed to be at that time anyways. and the intention was to gauge how long it would take me to refill after cessation and possibly use it before the show to get the benefit from the super-compensation. along with not having to cut my cal's anywhere near as much, and possibly re-comping most of the way into the show.

i had already run dnp before, but that was powder, and from a different supplier. the batch i bought to run just before the show was a couple hundred grams of raw crystal, so i definitely needed to give it a test run, to see if it was legit atleast.

previously with the powder i wasn't too bad at 400mg for 11 days, so i figured that as the crystal is less potent id give 500 a shot(irresponsible i know), and given it takes time to build up in your system, and some people front-load then titrate down, i decided to start with 800 day1, 600 day2, then 500 thereafter(measured myself). i then later found out that my scales were off and the dosages were closer to 1.5x what id measured them as :eek::(.

i should also mention that id been running t3 at 12.5mcg ed beforehand, so decided to continue it through my cycle.(i ran no t3 on my first run of dnp).

was fine on the first day, a little hot and sweaty but workout was as normal, nothing else amiss. second day was sweating all day and bad sweats at night, but workout was still fine. third day till about day 5 would wake up with an extremely dry painful throat and a half hour long coughing fit, despite drinking close to 3 gallons a day with alot of electrolytes and anti o's. crazy night sweats and disturbed sleep, but with the addition of a single cap of eca split into 3 throughout the day, lethargy wasnt that bad and workouts were only slightly below par.

now heres my issue: at roughly day 5 i noticed i was starting to look extremely lean, albeit slightly smaller and depleted. aside from my lower back and glutes, i looked like i was nearly stage ready(although i was suspicious i was just very dry even though i should be holding water). the scales measured a 2kilo drop in weight(89kilos), but i was wary of the result, because id also dropped dbol a couple of days before starting, and couldnt tell whether id dropped water from the dbol, or was holding water from the dnp:confused:.

either way from around day 4 my diet had started to slip. i was trying to run an extremely low fat diet <20g per day. and ended up ad-hoccing it as i was going along. i didn't think i needed to count carbs in my cals from alot of the more advanced stuff id read. and figured higher carbs= more pyruvate, more energy/supply to the brain/nerves, and healthier thyroid. so i ended up eating as many carbs as i could without excessive heat. unfortunately over the rest of the cycle, my sources got worse(more sugary/gluten filled shit) like cereal/0%fat yoghurt and occasionally sweets. but the majority were good.

at around day 6 i slowly gained water and deflated, workouts became pathetic, and had uncontrollable hunger pangs, which resulted in quite a few 150g shit food carb meals. and a couple of times i thought i was going to die lol.(i know I'm an idiot and irresponsible, you don't need to comment telling me that. I've learnt my lesson and will plan ahead next time.)
nonetheless I'm pretty certain my cal's were still below my pre dnp diet. most days i managed <10g fat and never went over 25g.




now here's the thing. i stayed the same weight since i gained that water day 6, (91kilos). after the cycle i waited 4-5 days of mild recarbing, and hadnt even begun to refill. hunger was uncontrollable aswell, so i decided a reefed would be ok. went a bit overboard. decided i needed a fat re-feed on top of carbs, and ended up getting in about 2.5k cals in the space of about 2.5 hours pwo, then another 3k or so of shitty food(mostly chinese takaway) later. on top of the other 1.5k for the day.
now whats bizzare is, i thought i was already holding alot of water, seeing as i was 91k still but had dropped to 89k mid cycle. but after that meal i ballooned up to 94k..... and currently 9 days post dnp have only dropped back to 91. I've filled out again but wtf?!?o_O.


so in summary: i was 91k while taking dbol pre cycle. and now 9 days post cycle with no dbol am still 91. all while eating under cals on a super low fat/high carb diet, at what ended up being around 700mg a day.(forgot to mention that around day 6 i noticed the weight difference and dropped it to what was actually 500mg).
so wtf happened? is there still a chance i could drop water? it doesn't seem likely. it looks as though i somehow gained fat during the latter half, maybe just after my cycle. the ballooning of water weight from the cheat meal tells me i probably wasn't holding much water before that and was likely fat.

any thoughts or insight? permenantly high blood sugar done me in somehow?
following that i dont think i can bring myself to use it again pre comp, although i now feel like im behind and could use the boost lol. 2 weeks completely wasted :/
 
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Another meaningless DNP thread who asks WTF is my physiologic response to DNP different than others?

Well why should it be since D-Bol, ECA
T-3 or dietary modifications may account for these many of "changes",alone or in combination, lol
 
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Another meaningless DNP thread who asks WTF is my physiologic response to DNP different than others?

well i appreciate your reply, but thats not what i thought, nor what i was asking.
my response to dnp was typical first time i used it. i was more interested in
1. whether people think its likely that with all things considered i may still drop water and
2. understanding/gaining insight into the nuance of water gain/loss while on dnp, whether it be alone, or in conjunction with any of the things above.

im not nescessarily even asking about dnp. moreso just what happened. i cant wrap my head around why it appears that my bodyfat has redistributed. enough so that my girlfriend mentioned it, independent of me already having noticed.

just here to try and learn. not sure i even suggested that i thought i had an atypical physiologic response to dnp. dont know how you all got that impression. doesnt read that way to me o_O.

(i should also note t3 dose was consistant before during and after dnp cycle). although it likely contributes to the different results from my first cycle, im more interested in how, rather than stating it as a cause.(thyroid feedback being weird.(t4 regulates fsh and trh, t3 only trh).
id like to hear your thoughts on where my thyroid might be no, assuming there was less than equal suppression from the 12.5mcg t3 dose. or so ive come to believe. followed by a period of diminished conversion from t4 to t3(that leaves higher t4, lowered but not 0 t3. followed by what post dnp? presumably less t4 at least. with the 12.5mcg am i to expect it not to recover to full output until after cessation?
 
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1) a lot of the more advanced stuff id read. and figured higher carbs= more pyruvate, more energy/supply to the brain/nerves, and healthier thyroid. so i ended up eating as many carbs as i could without excessive heat.

2) so in summary

:/

1) I never thought all the time we spent in biochem studying the Krebs cycle would ever prove useful until now, bc this "advanced stuff" is BALONEY

2) a "summary" that never comes
thank goodness, lol!

So you're trying to "learn" great. I hope you have learned not to use DNP and make posts like yours irrelevant!

Finally since I try not to reply to conjecture with more conjecture, especially when the known answer is discoverable, I suggest you perform a thyroid panel to obtain an evidence based reply to your T-3/T-4 query.

Good luck
 
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Wow, all over the place bro.

1. I have no idea what you've done to your system but I can tell you that you've done so much crap that no one will ever be able to tell you what happened and why.
2. Yes, you can lose water still but it'll take some pharma meds to get it right for show day
3. The DNP/water reaction is not something anyone here will be able to explain outside of bro-science. I doubt there's actually any real medical research to give the specific reason for why it occurs but you got so far off track with every facet of the situation you're lucky that water retention and wasted time is all you got out of it.
4. Contest prep rule #1. Make a plan and stick to it. Don't ad-lib. FYI, guys that attempt extreme prep measures never win shows. It always back fires. Keep it simple.
 
1. I have no idea what you've done to your system but I can tell you that you've done so much crap that no one will ever be able to tell you what happened and why.
2. Yes, you can lose water still but it'll take some pharma meds to get it right for show day
3. The DNP/water reaction is not something anyone here will be able to explain outside of bro-science. I doubt there's actually any real medical research to give the specific reason for why it occurs but you got so far off track with every facet of the situation you're lucky that water retention and wasted time is all you got out of it.
4. Contest prep rule #1. Make a plan and stick to it. Don't ad-lib. FYI, guys that attempt extreme prep measures never win shows. It always back fires. Keep it simple.

ty dude, appreciate your input:). i guess i thought the water retention would more straightforward :/.
thinking i probably wont run it again pre comp. water manipulation is hard enough without adding in an upredictable variable :/.


1) I never thought all the time we spent in biochem studying the Krebs cycle would ever prove useful until now, bc this "advanced stuff" is BALONEY
Good luck

i was under the impression that the citric cycle would be impeded without an abundance of oxaloacetate? which requires pyruvate obviously. am i missing something?
and no i didnt mean pyruvate=energy/thyroid health. just that high blood sugar should.


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Finally since I try not to reply to conjecture with more conjecture, especially when the known answer is discoverable, I suggest you perform a thyroid panel to obtain an evidence based reply to your T-3/T-4 query.
Good luck

unfortunately getting a test isnt really possible in my situation. and even if i could, i could only expect to have my tsh taken, and then perhaps my t4 :/. doctors around here are pretty funny with thyroid:(.
 
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i was under the impression that the citric cycle would be impeded without an abundance of oxaloacetate? which requires pyruvate obviously. am i missing something?

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Yea a much more thorough understanding of biochem and WHY much of it's teachings involve the Krebs cycle.

Human metabolism is NOT based in a vacuum where only one physiologic process is transpiring, but such a mind set has enabled the sale of supplements well into the billion dollar range.

Quite the opposite since MULTIPLE functions are occurring at the same time in the same cell!

Good luck
 
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OP for the sake of other Meso mates the fundamental flaw in your precursor "oxaloacetate" logic is it overlooks the MOA of DNP itself!

Briefly because DNP "UNCOUPLES OXIDATIVE PHOSPHORLATION", the energy that is NORMALLY generated from the Krebs cycle is wasted in the form of HEAT rather than ATP! Thus DNP does not "bypass" the Krebs cycle per say but rather negatively influences its ability to produce energy in a form fit for human consumption, ATP!

There is another drug that has similar metabolic effects when ingested in large quantities, ASPIRIN, and it's not to surprising the adverse effects of ASA and DNP are identical in many respects.
 
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