What to add to 500mg test e?

[one5onecc]

Currently on 450mg (Use 1ml barrels and it pretty much pulls in 0.9ml counting for what gets left in the pin) test e trying to add as much lean tissue over the next 17 weeks (3 weeks in). Was on 250mg the 4 weeks preceding)

Dont get any bloat or estro sides which is great but definitely find high/moderate doses of test much weaker than 150mg test and 30mg anavar.

On 150mg test and some var ill have wild pumps in the gym, feel like I can train forever and every workout im adding weight to the bar. But on 450mg test I basically feel natty with slightly better than normal pump and feel like I can just eat more without getting fat. No crazy strength gains or recovery benefits yet.

Would adding in a low dose of anavar be wise? Maybe 25mg per day even just PWO 4-5 times per week?

Primo is another option but given I dont get estro sides on test im thinking that it might crash my estro.

Increasing the test to 600mg is another option but would be testing the estro side effect gods at that dose.

6'2 190lb with abs lean 10-11%bf - goal 205-210
Diet is 3300 cals 250g protein, gained 1.8lb in last month on this amount. Could add 200 cals but dont want to get fat and have to prematurely end the bulk.
Training is 4 day split 12-20 sets per body part per week.

 

[Daddymcd]

Currently on 450mg (Use 1ml barrels and it pretty much pulls in 0.9ml counting for what gets left in the pin) test e trying to add as much lean tissue over the next 17 weeks (3 weeks in). Was on 250mg the 4 weeks preceding)

Dont get any bloat or estro sides which is great but definitely find high/moderate doses of test much weaker than 150mg test and 30mg anavar.

On 150mg test and some var ill have wild pumps in the gym, feel like I can train forever and every workout im adding weight to the bar. But on 450mg test I basically feel natty with slightly better than normal pump and feel like I can just eat more without getting fat. No crazy strength gains or recovery benefits yet.

Would adding in a low dose of anavar be wise? Maybe 25mg per day even just PWO 4-5 times per week?

Primo is another option but given I dont get estro sides on test im thinking that it might crash my estro.

Increasing the test to 600mg is another option but would be testing the estro side effect gods at that dose.

6'2 190lb with abs lean 10-11%bf - goal 205-210
Diet is 3300 cals 250g protein, gained 1.8lb in last month on this amount. Could add 200 cals but dont want to get fat and have to prematurely end the bulk.
Training is 4 day split 12-20 sets per body part per week.

Primo won't crash your estrogen levels.
I'd keep your test at 450, add in 40-50mg Anavar a day, and add in primo at 300-400mg per week.
You could also add in deca at 400mg per week.
Deca or npp is better for the off season imo. Run primo in the summer ideally.

 

[Leg_locker]

Are you only injecting once a week?
If your liver can handle it do another cycle of anavar.
Iv never tried to "pulse" orals like your talking about with just taking them pre-work but I know some people do.
Primo or mast would be a good option for leaner mass with less liver stress I doubt they would tank your e2

 

[effswithtren]

Primo lowers my E2 but nothing crazy. I’d need close to 1:1 to use it as an AI even in the lower ranges. It may or may not lower yours, you’d want to confirm with bloodwork. Deca/NPP are your best bulkers but they’ll shut you down for a good while so I’d be leery unless you’ve gone to the dark side and B&C.

 

[one5onecc]

Are you only injecting once a week?
If your liver can handle it do another cycle of anavar.
Iv never tried to "pulse" orals like your talking about with just taking them pre-work but I know some people do.
Primo or mast would be a good option for leaner mass with less liver stress I doubt they would tank your e2

Injecting Twice per week

After a 5 week run of a 40mg anavar I did bloods a month later and lipids lover and kidney were all well in range but not sure how fucked they all look while actually on it.